Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

Are you suggesting a locked door would have kept Kohberger out?

In the middle of the night, I think a locked door with deadbolt and broom handles/wooden rods in track of slidong doors would have forced him to make noise, possibly giving them time to call 911.

Most locks are hilariously easy to pick. Nothing is stopping a determined attacker.

Locking your doors is basic personal safety. Having an alarm and deadbolt help. Having a loud dog helps as well. If there are multiple barriers to entry, chances are the attacker is going to move on to an easier target...

This, or at least end up making noise or drawing attention. All giving others time to react/take action. If all 6 occupants of the house had been awake, the result would have been quite different.

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This discussion is worse than anything I’ve seen on Reddit and possibly even You Tube, which is saying a lot. Pages and pages with the focus and obsession on the doors . .and people really wanting to believe this could never happen to them because they are so much smarter than anyone else…. you can’t make this stuff up.

Also there are many examples of rape and murder in dorms.. those are not iron clad safe havens lol.

Most crime is mostly just being at the wrong place at the wrong time .. when some psycho sees you out somewhere, stalks you, and come hell or high water, they will find you and do what they want. If they can’t break into your house bc of a deadbolt, trust the they will find some opportunity or moment.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

Are you suggesting a locked door would have kept Kohberger out?

Plus 1. He wiukd have found a way in- to think otherwise is naive.

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Anonymous wrote:Most crime is mostly just being at the wrong place at the wrong time .. when some psycho sees you out somewhere, stalks you, and come hell or high water, they will find you and do what they want. If they can’t break into your house bc of a deadbolt, trust the they will find some opportunity or moment.

No, most violent crimes are committed by people the victim knows, often intimately. Murders like this account for an insignificant percentage of killings. The person most likely to murder a woman is her boyfriend or husband.

Cases like this get media attention because they're so unusual and rare.

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion is worse than anything I’ve seen on Reddit and possibly even You Tube, which is saying a lot. Pages and pages with the focus and obsession on the doors . .and people really wanting to believe this could never happen to them because they are so much smarter than anyone else…. you can’t make this stuff up.

Also there are many examples of rape and murder in dorms.. those are not iron clad safe havens lol.

Most crime is mostly just being at the wrong place at the wrong time .. when some psycho sees you out somewhere, stalks you, and come hell or high water, they will find you and do what they want. If they can’t break into your house bc of a deadbolt, trust the they will find some opportunity or moment.

+1

I know people who, once they had a stalker, installed security - including coded alarms (connected to local PD) on every door and window, cameras on each angle of the house (and inside too), motion sensor beams inside the house, on top of all bolts on each door, and hired house sitters if they ever (rarely) leave for any period of time. The neighbors and anyone with a need to know basis are on notice, as well.

It changes your life. They try not to have a false sense of safety, because sick perpetrators do not have any (any) boundaries, which is why they are stalkers, to begin with.

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55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

I don't think there is a person contributing to these posts who thinks that anyone deserves to be blamed other than Brian Kohberger. Hoping that our loved ones will take safety precautions is not assigning blame.

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Anonymous wrote:Most crime is mostly just being at the wrong place at the wrong time .. when some psycho sees you out somewhere, stalks you, and come hell or high water, they will find you and do what they want. If they can’t break into your house bc of a deadbolt, trust the they will find some opportunity or moment.

No, most violent crimes are committed by people the victim knows, often intimately. Murders like this account for an insignificant percentage of killings. The person most likely to murder a woman is her boyfriend or husband.

Cases like this get media attention because they're so unusual and rare.

But I think stalkers are feeling like they have more of a "right" with social media and other sites being available. What stalkers do not have (among other things) first and foremost, are boundaries - which changes the equation from a normal human to a dangerous person.

BK targeted one or two of the girls from the restaurant at which they worked, most likely. I believe they never exchanged more than professional pleasantries with him, but he likely over heard their conversations while at work. He may have gleaned information about them that way. People should be able to talk (for example) and lead a normal life, without worrying about some mentally ill incel coming after them - or in this case, killing them.

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion is worse than anything I’ve seen on Reddit and possibly even You Tube, which is saying a lot. Pages and pages with the focus and obsession on the doors . .and people really wanting to believe this could never happen to them because they are so much smarter than anyone else…. you can’t make this stuff up.

Also there are many examples of rape and murder in dorms.. those are not iron clad safe havens lol.

Most crime is mostly just being at the wrong place at the wrong time .. when some psycho sees you out somewhere, stalks you, and come hell or high water, they will find you and do what they want. If they can’t break into your house bc of a deadbolt, trust the they will find some opportunity or moment.

+1

I know people who, once they had a stalker, installed security - including coded alarms (connected to local PD) on every door and window, cameras on each angle of the house (and inside too), motion sensor beams inside the house, on top of all bolts on each door, and hired house sitters if they ever (rarely) leave for any period of time. The neighbors and anyone with a need to know basis are on notice, as well.

It changes your life. They try not to have a false sense of safety, because sick perpetrators do not have any (any) boundaries, which is why they are stalkers, to begin with.

Unbelievablly obtuse response.

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion is worse than anything I’ve seen on Reddit and possibly even You Tube, which is saying a lot. Pages and pages with the focus and obsession on the doors . .and people really wanting to believe this could never happen to them because they are so much smarter than anyone else…. you can’t make this stuff up.

Also there are many examples of rape and murder in dorms.. those are not iron clad safe havens lol.

Most crime is mostly just being at the wrong place at the wrong time .. when some psycho sees you out somewhere, stalks you, and come hell or high water, they will find you and do what they want. If they can’t break into your house bc of a deadbolt, trust the they will find some opportunity or moment.

+1

I know people who, once they had a stalker, installed security - including coded alarms (connected to local PD) on every door and window, cameras on each angle of the house (and inside too), motion sensor beams inside the house, on top of all bolts on each door, and hired house sitters if they ever (rarely) leave for any period of time. The neighbors and anyone with a need to know basis are on notice, as well.

It changes your life. They try not to have a false sense of safety, because sick perpetrators do not have any (any) boundaries, which is why they are stalkers, to begin with.

Unbelievablly obtuse response.

Point is, I doubt these girls knew they had a stalker. Nothing obtuse about that.

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion is worse than anything I’ve seen on Reddit and possibly even You Tube, which is saying a lot. Pages and pages with the focus and obsession on the doors . .and people really wanting to believe this could never happen to them because they are so much smarter than anyone else…. you can’t make this stuff up.

Also there are many examples of rape and murder in dorms.. those are not iron clad safe havens lol.

Most crime is mostly just being at the wrong place at the wrong time .. when some psycho sees you out somewhere, stalks you, and come hell or high water, they will find you and do what they want. If they can’t break into your house bc of a deadbolt, trust the they will find some opportunity or moment.

+1

I know people who, once they had a stalker, installed security - including coded alarms (connected to local PD) on every door and window, cameras on each angle of the house (and inside too), motion sensor beams inside the house, on top of all bolts on each door, and hired house sitters if they ever (rarely) leave for any period of time. The neighbors and anyone with a need to know basis are on notice, as well.

It changes your life. They try not to have a false sense of safety, because sick perpetrators do not have any (any) boundaries, which is why they are stalkers, to begin with.

Unbelievablly obtuse response.

Point is, I doubt these girls knew they had a stalker. Nothing obtuse about that.

There was mention in the press very early on that one of the girls did in fact know someone was stalking her and had reported it -

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion is worse than anything I’ve seen on Reddit and possibly even You Tube, which is saying a lot. Pages and pages with the focus and obsession on the doors . .and people really wanting to believe this could never happen to them because they are so much smarter than anyone else…. you can’t make this stuff up.

Also there are many examples of rape and murder in dorms.. those are not iron clad safe havens lol.

Most crime is mostly just being at the wrong place at the wrong time .. when some psycho sees you out somewhere, stalks you, and come hell or high water, they will find you and do what they want. If they can’t break into your house bc of a deadbolt, trust the they will find some opportunity or moment.

+1

I know people who, once they had a stalker, installed security - including coded alarms (connected to local PD) on every door and window, cameras on each angle of the house (and inside too), motion sensor beams inside the house, on top of all bolts on each door, and hired house sitters if they ever (rarely) leave for any period of time. The neighbors and anyone with a need to know basis are on notice, as well.

It changes your life. They try not to have a false sense of safety, because sick perpetrators do not have any (any) boundaries, which is why they are stalkers, to begin with.

Unbelievablly obtuse response.

Point is, I doubt these girls knew they had a stalker. Nothing obtuse about that.

There was mention in the press very early on that one of the girls did in fact know someone was stalking her and had reported it -

Thank you for that information. Doesn't justify the stalking, of course.

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

The blame doesn't belong to the suspect until they are convicted.

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

The blame doesn't belong to the suspect until they are convicted.

Technically, Yes, you are correct.
However, let’s be honest here, we “know” HE did it!

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Anonymous wrote:Most crime is mostly just being at the wrong place at the wrong time .. when some psycho sees you out somewhere, stalks you, and come hell or high water, they will find you and do what they want. If they can’t break into your house bc of a deadbolt, trust the they will find some opportunity or moment.

No, most violent crimes are committed by people the victim knows, often intimately. Murders like this account for an insignificant percentage of killings. The person most likely to murder a woman is her boyfriend or husband.

Cases like this get media attention because they're so unusual and rare.

But I think stalkers are feeling like they have more of a "right" with social media and other sites being available. What stalkers do not have (among other things) first and foremost, are boundaries - which changes the equation from a normal human to a dangerous person.

BK targeted one or two of the girls from the restaurant at which they worked, most likely. I believe they never exchanged more than professional pleasantries with him, but he likely over heard their conversations while at work. He may have gleaned information about them that way. People should be able to talk (for example) and lead a normal life, without worrying about some mentally ill incel coming after them - or in this case, killing them.

Wait - is he Jewish?? This can’t be. Maybe he really is innocent, if so? There’s never been a Jewish serial killer.