Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

Are you suggesting a locked door would have kept Kohberger out?

I guess we’ll never know.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

Are you suggesting a locked door would have kept Kohberger out?

No, I’m suggesting the safety calculation of a person living in Moscow Idaho has probably changed somewhat in recent months.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

Are you suggesting a locked door would have kept Kohberger out?

No, I’m suggesting the safety calculation of a person living in Moscow Idaho has probably changed somewhat in recent months.

Only among the irrational.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

Are you suggesting a locked door would have kept Kohberger out?

No, I’m suggesting the safety calculation of a person living in Moscow Idaho has probably changed somewhat in recent months.

It shouldn't. This type of targeted, random killing is very, very rare.

Crazy events like this push peoples' risk assessments way off-kilter, and they end up ignoring actual risks.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

Are you suggesting a locked door would have kept Kohberger out?

In the middle of the night, I think a locked door with deadbolt and broom handles/wooden rods in track of slidong doors would have forced him to make noise, possibly giving them time to call 911.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

Are you suggesting a locked door would have kept Kohberger out?

No, I’m suggesting the safety calculation of a person living in Moscow Idaho has probably changed somewhat in recent months.

Only among the irrational.

Yep, sleeping with locked exterior doors is totally irrational. And “not knowing” where the keys to your house even are is normal. K.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

Are you suggesting a locked door would have kept Kohberger out?

No, I’m suggesting the safety calculation of a person living in Moscow Idaho has probably changed somewhat in recent months.

It shouldn't. This type of targeted, random killing is very, very rare.

Crazy events like this push peoples' risk assessments way off-kilter, and they end up ignoring actual risks.

Rare event or not, loced doors are a very basic safety precaution.

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Do you people see how absolutely ridiculous this conversation has become.

People arguing about whether locking the doors of your house is a good idea.

Think about why you have nothing better to do? Seriously...

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Anonymous wrote:Do you people see how absolutely ridiculous this conversation has become.

People arguing about whether locking the doors of your house is a good idea.

Think about why you have nothing better to do? Seriously...

Safety is not to be ignored.

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering how close does a person have to be to a home for their cell phone to "ping" off that address?

On 20/20 last week, they said his cell phone connected with the houses Wi-Fi a few times. So pretty close.

Thank you for answering my question.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

Are you suggesting a locked door would have kept Kohberger out?

In the middle of the night, I think a locked door with deadbolt and broom handles/wooden rods in track of slidong doors would have forced him to make noise, possibly giving them time to call 911.

Most locks are hilariously easy to pick. Nothing is stopping a determined attacker.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

Are you suggesting a locked door would have kept Kohberger out?

In the middle of the night, I think a locked door with deadbolt and broom handles/wooden rods in track of slidong doors would have forced him to make noise, possibly giving them time to call 911.

Most locks are hilariously easy to pick. Nothing is stopping a determined attacker.

That's not true for deadbolts.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

Are you suggesting a locked door would have kept Kohberger out?

In the middle of the night, I think a locked door with deadbolt and broom handles/wooden rods in track of slidong doors would have forced him to make noise, possibly giving them time to call 911.

Most locks are hilariously easy to pick. Nothing is stopping a determined attacker.

Then keep all your doors unlocked and leave your keys in car.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

Are you suggesting a locked door would have kept Kohberger out?

In the middle of the night, I think a locked door with deadbolt and broom handles/wooden rods in track of slidong doors would have forced him to make noise, possibly giving them time to call 911.

Most locks are hilariously easy to pick. Nothing is stopping a determined attacker.

Locking your doors is basic personal safety. Having an alarm and deadbolt help. Having a loud dog helps as well. If there are multiple barriers to entry, chances are the attacker is going to move on to an easier target...