Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

+1

DP here. If someone is on your radar, and you have a bad feeling about them, you are probably right, and should get away from the situation (that person) ASAP.

One one hand I agree.

On the other, post Covid almost everyone was “on my radar.” How is that any way to go through life, just distrusting every man?

Women size up every man instantaneously without even knowing it. We are basically meerkats.

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

Right, and I teach those things to my daughter.

But it is still distasteful (and victim blaming) for strangers to spend page after page on a public website second guessing the behavior of young women who had their whole lives ahead of them, but were stabbed to death in their own beds. That should not be the focus of social discourse.

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

Right, and I teach those things to my daughter.

But it is still distasteful (and victim blaming) for strangers to spend page after page on a public website second guessing the behavior of young women who had their whole lives ahead of them, but were stabbed to death in their own beds. That should not be the focus of social discourse.

Well since there’s no known way to fix psychopaths I think the only good discourse would be to talk about how one can avoid this same outcome.

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Kohberger’s DNA is a match to the knife.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/idaho-murders-prosecutors-reveal-dna-match-to-bryan-kohberger?via=newsletter&source=DDAfternoon&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=230621-Digest%20PM&utm_term=G%20List%20Daily%20Beast%20Newsletter%20PM

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

Right, and I teach those things to my daughter.

But it is still distasteful (and victim blaming) for strangers to spend page after page on a public website second guessing the behavior of young women who had their whole lives ahead of them, but were stabbed to death in their own beds. That should not be the focus of social discourse.

Well since there’s no known way to fix psychopaths I think the only good discourse would be to talk about how one can avoid this same outcome.

+1 naive to think otherwise

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

Right, and I teach those things to my daughter.

But it is still distasteful (and victim blaming) for strangers to spend page after page on a public website second guessing the behavior of young women who had their whole lives ahead of them, but were stabbed to death in their own beds. That should not be the focus of social discourse.

Well since there’s no known way to fix psychopaths I think the only good discourse would be to talk about how one can avoid this same outcome.

+1 naive to think otherwise

How do you avoid a psychopath? You do understand that they will be single minded in their pursuit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

Right, and I teach those things to my daughter.

But it is still distasteful (and victim blaming) for strangers to spend page after page on a public website second guessing the behavior of young women who had their whole lives ahead of them, but were stabbed to death in their own beds. That should not be the focus of social discourse.

I respectfully disagree in that I do not think it's voctim blaming to make sure women are more aware of what precautions to take.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

Right, and I teach those things to my daughter.

But it is still distasteful (and victim blaming) for strangers to spend page after page on a public website second guessing the behavior of young women who had their whole lives ahead of them, but were stabbed to death in their own beds. That should not be the focus of social discourse.

Well since there’s no known way to fix psychopaths I think the only good discourse would be to talk about how one can avoid this same outcome.

+1 naive to think otherwise

How do you avoid a psychopath? You do understand that they will be single minded in their pursuit.

Of course. But being sober, locking doors, and calling 911 if a stranger is in your home will likely help, whether male or female.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kohberger’s DNA is a match to the knife.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/idaho-murders-prosecutors-reveal-dna-match-to-bryan-kohberger?via=newsletter&source=DDAfternoon&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=230621-Digest%20PM&utm_term=G%20List%20Daily%20Beast%20Newsletter%20PM

Praise God.

[Anonymous]

Bye bye d*ckhead. I hope he goes away for the rest of his life with no parole. He’s a truly dangers sociopath and it not fit to live within society.

I also question if this is his first murder… four people, just seems bold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kohberger’s DNA is a match to the knife.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/idaho-murders-prosecutors-reveal-dna-match-to-bryan-kohberger?via=newsletter&source=DDAfternoon&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=230621-Digest%20PM&utm_term=G%20List%20Daily%20Beast%20Newsletter%20PM

The knife sheath. Not the knife. Lots of room for defense to create reasonable doubt if all they’ve got is some alleged DNA on a sheath.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kohberger’s DNA is a match to the knife.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/idaho-murders-prosecutors-reveal-dna-match-to-bryan-kohberger?via=newsletter&source=DDAfternoon&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=230621-Digest%20PM&utm_term=G%20List%20Daily%20Beast%20Newsletter%20PM

The knife sheath. Not the knife. Lots of room for defense to create reasonable doubt if all they’ve got is some alleged DNA on a sheath.

Ha! Hardly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kohberger’s DNA is a match to the knife.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/idaho-murders-prosecutors-reveal-dna-match-to-bryan-kohberger?via=newsletter&source=DDAfternoon&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=230621-Digest%20PM&utm_term=G%20List%20Daily%20Beast%20Newsletter%20PM

The knife sheath. Not the knife. Lots of room for defense to create reasonable doubt if all they’ve got is some alleged DNA on a sheath.

I'd love to hear your plausible explanation for how his DNA got on a knife sheath underneath one of the dead girl's murdered bodies? She broke into his house, stole his knife sheath and then happened to be laying on it while she was murdered by someone else? Someone who happens to have the same exact car as Bryan? Someone seen driving that car to/from the crime scene during the time of the murders?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kohberger’s DNA is a match to the knife.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/idaho-murders-prosecutors-reveal-dna-match-to-bryan-kohberger?via=newsletter&source=DDAfternoon&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=230621-Digest%20PM&utm_term=G%20List%20Daily%20Beast%20Newsletter%20PM

The knife sheath. Not the knife. Lots of room for defense to create reasonable doubt if all they’ve got is some alleged DNA on a sheath.

I'd love to hear your plausible explanation for how his DNA got on a knife sheath underneath one of the dead girl's murdered bodies? She broke into his house, stole his knife sheath and then happened to be laying on it while she was murdered by someone else? Someone who happens to have the same exact car as Bryan? Someone seen driving that car to/from the crime scene during the time of the murders?

+1 Put me on that jury.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kohberger’s DNA is a match to the knife.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/idaho-murders-prosecutors-reveal-dna-match-to-bryan-kohberger?via=newsletter&source=DDAfternoon&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=230621-Digest%20PM&utm_term=G%20List%20Daily%20Beast%20Newsletter%20PM

The knife sheath. Not the knife. Lots of room for defense to create reasonable doubt if all they’ve got is some alleged DNA on a sheath.

I'd love to hear your plausible explanation for how his DNA got on a knife sheath underneath one of the dead girl's murdered bodies? She broke into his house, stole his knife sheath and then happened to be laying on it while she was murdered by someone else? Someone who happens to have the same exact car as Bryan? Someone seen driving that car to/from the crime scene during the time of the murders?

+1 Put me on that jury.

+2

By any and all means. What is especially haunting is anyone thinking they might know of someone like this - someone who truly is not dealing with a full deck, plus has boundary issues, and impulsivity issues, plus anger issues, plus mentally unstable, and also thinks they are above being caught.

Getting on an insane person’s radar is no fun, and potentially lethal, through zero fault of the victim - not to mention, the perp’s propensity to try to dismiss the potential victim’s concern, and/or call any concern a “joke”. The m.o. is often the same.

It should be alarming to all of us that these people (usually men, usually incels) exist - certainly alarming to anyone who has one or more daughters.