Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

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A very sick man. Same old story - rejected by women, goes bananas.

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

Right, and I teach those things to my daughter.

But it is still distasteful (and victim blaming) for strangers to spend page after page on a public website second guessing the behavior of young women who had their whole lives ahead of them, but were stabbed to death in their own beds. That should not be the focus of social discourse.

Well since there’s no known way to fix psychopaths I think the only good discourse would be to talk about how one can avoid this same outcome.

+1 naive to think otherwise

How do you avoid a psychopath? You do understand that they will be single minded in their pursuit.

Of course. But being sober, locking doors, and calling 911 if a stranger is in your home will likely help, whether male or female.

Remeber, the police are only a phone call away when he kicks in the door. You delayed your attacker by 5 seconds.

Hmmm - if a criminal enters your home, how long does it take him to stab, strangle, or bludgeon you to death?

Now, compare that with the average 911 response time in your area.

In case you hadn’t realized, you are on your own.

Door being kicked open will be loud. Alarm goes off. Dog starts barking. Helps to have these warnings

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It signals that the defense is going to attempt to get him off on technicalities alone.

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Anonymous wrote:A very sick man. Same old story - rejected by women, goes bananas.

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Exactly this.

Parents, do better.

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

Right, and I teach those things to my daughter.

But it is still distasteful (and victim blaming) for strangers to spend page after page on a public website second guessing the behavior of young women who had their whole lives ahead of them, but were stabbed to death in their own beds. That should not be the focus of social discourse.

Well since there’s no known way to fix psychopaths I think the only good discourse would be to talk about how one can avoid this same outcome.

+1 naive to think otherwise

How do you avoid a psychopath? You do understand that they will be single minded in their pursuit.

Of course. But being sober, locking doors, and calling 911 if a stranger is in your home will likely help, whether male or female.

Remeber, the police are only a phone call away when he kicks in the door. You delayed your attacker by 5 seconds.

Hmmm - if a criminal enters your home, how long does it take him to stab, strangle, or bludgeon you to death?

Now, compare that with the average 911 response time in your area.

In case you hadn’t realized, you are on your own.

Even if you are on your own, someone kicking in the door gives you more time to react than waking up to them on top of you. I'd rather have the former.

Weren't the victims asleep?

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

Right, and I teach those things to my daughter.

But it is still distasteful (and victim blaming) for strangers to spend page after page on a public website second guessing the behavior of young women who had their whole lives ahead of them, but were stabbed to death in their own beds. That should not be the focus of social discourse.

Well since there’s no known way to fix psychopaths I think the only good discourse would be to talk about how one can avoid this same outcome.

+1 naive to think otherwise

How do you avoid a psychopath? You do understand that they will be single minded in their pursuit.

Of course. But being sober, locking doors, and calling 911 if a stranger is in your home will likely help, whether male or female.

Remeber, the police are only a phone call away when he kicks in the door. You delayed your attacker by 5 seconds.

Hmmm - if a criminal enters your home, how long does it take him to stab, strangle, or bludgeon you to death?

Now, compare that with the average 911 response time in your area.

In case you hadn’t realized, you are on your own.

Even if you are on your own, someone kicking in the door gives you more time to react than waking up to them on top of you. I'd rather have the former.

Weren't the victims asleep?

DCUMs would spring into action, wake their husband, and ask him to go see what it was.

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

Right, and I teach those things to my daughter.

But it is still distasteful (and victim blaming) for strangers to spend page after page on a public website second guessing the behavior of young women who had their whole lives ahead of them, but were stabbed to death in their own beds. That should not be the focus of social discourse.

Well since there’s no known way to fix psychopaths I think the only good discourse would be to talk about how one can avoid this same outcome.

+1 naive to think otherwise

How do you avoid a psychopath? You do understand that they will be single minded in their pursuit.

Of course. But being sober, locking doors, and calling 911 if a stranger is in your home will likely help, whether male or female.

Remeber, the police are only a phone call away when he kicks in the door. You delayed your attacker by 5 seconds.

Hmmm - if a criminal enters your home, how long does it take him to stab, strangle, or bludgeon you to death?

Now, compare that with the average 911 response time in your area.

In case you hadn’t realized, you are on your own.

Door being kicked open will be loud. Alarm goes off. Dog starts barking. Helps to have these warnings

There was an alarm?

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

Right, and I teach those things to my daughter.

But it is still distasteful (and victim blaming) for strangers to spend page after page on a public website second guessing the behavior of young women who had their whole lives ahead of them, but were stabbed to death in their own beds. That should not be the focus of social discourse.

Well since there’s no known way to fix psychopaths I think the only good discourse would be to talk about how one can avoid this same outcome.

+1 naive to think otherwise

How do you avoid a psychopath? You do understand that they will be single minded in their pursuit.

Of course. But being sober, locking doors, and calling 911 if a stranger is in your home will likely help, whether male or female.

Remeber, the police are only a phone call away when he kicks in the door. You delayed your attacker by 5 seconds.

Hmmm - if a criminal enters your home, how long does it take him to stab, strangle, or bludgeon you to death?

Now, compare that with the average 911 response time in your area.

In case you hadn’t realized, you are on your own.

Door being kicked open will be loud. Alarm goes off. Dog starts barking. Helps to have these warnings

There was an alarm?

+1

Also wondering, and I don't think there was. Not that it matters now.

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

Right, and I teach those things to my daughter.

But it is still distasteful (and victim blaming) for strangers to spend page after page on a public website second guessing the behavior of young women who had their whole lives ahead of them, but were stabbed to death in their own beds. That should not be the focus of social discourse.

Well since there’s no known way to fix psychopaths I think the only good discourse would be to talk about how one can avoid this same outcome.

+1 naive to think otherwise

How do you avoid a psychopath? You do understand that they will be single minded in their pursuit.

Of course. But being sober, locking doors, and calling 911 if a stranger is in your home will likely help, whether male or female.

Remeber, the police are only a phone call away when he kicks in the door. You delayed your attacker by 5 seconds.

Hmmm - if a criminal enters your home, how long does it take him to stab, strangle, or bludgeon you to death?

Now, compare that with the average 911 response time in your area.

In case you hadn’t realized, you are on your own.

Door being kicked open will be loud. Alarm goes off. Dog starts barking. Helps to have these warnings

There was an alarm?

I don't think so. I'm the PP who is saying what gives someone a little more time to get prepared to defend themselves.