Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aw, we can’t argue with you. We’re obviously just too simple because our reasoning for liking her is just…we enjoy listening to her music. Sorry it’s not enough meat for you to pick apart.

But since you requested more and it brings you joy, you go ahead and pick apart these quotes: https://www.insider.com/taylor-swift-praised-by-icons-2023-8?amp. I sure don’t know what I’m talking about, but I’m sure you’ll find worthy opponents in Billy Joel, Stevie Nicks, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Carole King, Dolly Parton, Shania Twain, Bruce Springsteen, and Jon Bon Jovi. Bless your sweet heart and happy holidays!

That article was already discussed ad nauseam earlier in the thread. Not only does Taylor regurgitate other people’s ideas and music, her fanatics repeat the same arguments over and over. Can’t you or Taylor come up with something new to say?

[Anonymous]

Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

You know what I find fascinating? People like op who hate Taylor Swift are not content to just hate her but also hate on the people who love her. You are the ones attacking and yet we are the mean girls? I haven't read one pro Taylor Swift fan insult you anti TS personally. Did you expect us not to respond?

Just because you don't get it does not mean it isn't good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

You know what I find fascinating? People like op who hate Taylor Swift are not content to just hate her but also hate on the people who love her. You are the ones attacking and yet we are the mean girls? I haven't read one pro Taylor Swift fan insult you anti TS personally. Did you expect us not to respond?

Just because you don't get it does not mean it isn't good.

Maybe it is because some of us (actually most of us) would like to watch a damm football game without the camera cutting to a luxury box where she mugs for the camera.
Or ABC "news" reporting her attended her boyfriend's NFL KC Chiefs game like its some sort of breaking story.
I am rooting against KC Chiefs now because of this juvenile crap.
Lets just say its gotten old very quickly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

You know what I find fascinating? People like op who hate Taylor Swift are not content to just hate her but also hate on the people who love her. You are the ones attacking and yet we are the mean girls? I haven't read one pro Taylor Swift fan insult you anti TS personally. Did you expect us not to respond?

Just because you don't get it does not mean it isn't good.

Maybe it is because some of us (actually most of us) would like to watch a damm football game without the camera cutting to a luxury box where she mugs for the camera.
Or ABC "news" reporting her attended her boyfriend's NFL KC Chiefs game like its some sort of breaking story.
I am rooting against KC Chiefs now because of this juvenile crap.
Lets just say its gotten old very quickly.

Take it up with the NFL and tv stations. She’s watching her boyfriend play football. That doesn’t reflect poorly on her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aw, we can’t argue with you. We’re obviously just too simple because our reasoning for liking her is just…we enjoy listening to her music. Sorry it’s not enough meat for you to pick apart.

But since you requested more and it brings you joy, you go ahead and pick apart these quotes: https://www.insider.com/taylor-swift-praised-by-icons-2023-8?amp. I sure don’t know what I’m talking about, but I’m sure you’ll find worthy opponents in Billy Joel, Stevie Nicks, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Carole King, Dolly Parton, Shania Twain, Bruce Springsteen, and Jon Bon Jovi. Bless your sweet heart and happy holidays!

That article was already discussed ad nauseam earlier in the thread. Not only does Taylor regurgitate other people’s ideas and music, her fanatics repeat the same arguments over and over. Can’t you or Taylor come up with something new to say?

Yeah, Paul McCartney, pfft. WTH does he know about songwriting. DCUM anonymous is where I get my standards from. Plebes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

You know what I find fascinating? People like op who hate Taylor Swift are not content to just hate her but also hate on the people who love her. You are the ones attacking and yet we are the mean girls? I haven't read one pro Taylor Swift fan insult you anti TS personally. Did you expect us not to respond?

Just because you don't get it does not mean it isn't good.

Maybe it is because some of us (actually most of us) would like to watch a damm football game without the camera cutting to a luxury box where she mugs for the camera.
Or ABC "news" reporting her attended her boyfriend's NFL KC Chiefs game like its some sort of breaking story.
I am rooting against KC Chiefs now because of this juvenile crap.
Lets just say its gotten old very quickly.

Take it up with the NFL and tv stations. She’s watching her boyfriend play football. That doesn’t reflect poorly on her.

Yeah right. Like she's not involved in this overexposure or unaware this is happening.

[Anonymous]

Paul McCartney is well known for some sappy songs..

Hello, goodbye..you say hello and I say goodbye?
Ob-la-da-ob la-da. ...
When I'm sixty-four?
Rocky Raccoon?

Also a few years ago McCartney wrote two oratorios and I heard one called " ecce meum cor" which was truly awful. It was performed in dc ( he wasn't there) blegh

So yes McCartney can write some terrible songs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

You know what I find fascinating? People like op who hate Taylor Swift are not content to just hate her but also hate on the people who love her. You are the ones attacking and yet we are the mean girls? I haven't read one pro Taylor Swift fan insult you anti TS personally. Did you expect us not to respond?

Just because you don't get it does not mean it isn't good.

Maybe it is because some of us (actually most of us) would like to watch a damm football game without the camera cutting to a luxury box where she mugs for the camera.
Or ABC "news" reporting her attended her boyfriend's NFL KC Chiefs game like its some sort of breaking story.
I am rooting against KC Chiefs now because of this juvenile crap.
Lets just say its gotten old very quickly.

Take it up with the NFL and tv stations. She’s watching her boyfriend play football. That doesn’t reflect poorly on her.

Yeah right. Like she's not involved in this overexposure or unaware this is happening.

So she shoukd stay locked up in her house?

[Anonymous]

The personal attacks in this thread are silly.

People who love Taylor Swift are of course welcome to do so. They are legion. I'm sure you have your reasons. Enjoy.

I do not like Taylor Swift, get annoyed with how much I am exposed to not only her music (which I find boring, derivative, and repetitive) but her personal life. Much more so than any other celebrity at the moment, even the Kardashians at their height (ugh) or Madonna or Britney or Christina in their heydays.

And I'm entitled to those opinions, too. This thread was started as a place to complain about Taylor Swift. Of course anyone can comment, but I don't get all the comments insisting "No, she is the best, if you don't like her you suck!" I don't think people who like her are bad people. I just don't get it. I don't like her. I am not going to be persuaded to like her by someone listing her achievements (there are lots of Grammy award-winning artists I have no interest in, especially in the pop category) or reciting her lyrics to me. Does she have a few nice turns of phrase in her music? She better, she has too many albums not to. Does this redeem her sound to me? No. It is boring. Treacly. Predictable. Crafted to be as broadly appealing as possible which means it offers very little to be inspired or surprised or delighted with.

This goes without saying of course, but: in my opinion.

Telling me I'm a bad person or stupid or a "plebe" or whatever doesn't suddenly make my opinion invalid. It just makes you look bad. I have music I love that my husband will roll his eyes at, and I've never been so offended by this that I call him names. I just think we have slightly different taste and he doesn't have the mix of background and preferences to like everything I like. Meanwhile, he likes a few bands like Parquet Courts that have this lo-fi, garage-band sound that I can't listen to for more than 10 minutes without getting irritated.

Musical taste is finicky like that. We all have our preferences. Disliking Taylor Swift in soon-to-be-2024 sometimes feels like a lonely endeavor, and it's nice to have a place to go where you can say "what is this music? why do people like it? I do not get it?" and have people understand. The number of people who have streamed into this thread to say NO YOU ARE WRONG AND ALSO SUCK AS A HUMAN BEING is so exhausting. It doesn't make me like Taylor Swift any more, but it makes me like her fan base less.

Leave me alone in my dislike of Taylor Swift. Best of luck getting tickets on her next tour and I hope your Taylor-branded holiday gifts were everything you hoped. Now can we please get back to talking about how freaking bad Taylor Swift music is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

You know what I find fascinating? People like op who hate Taylor Swift are not content to just hate her but also hate on the people who love her. You are the ones attacking and yet we are the mean girls? I haven't read one pro Taylor Swift fan insult you anti TS personally. Did you expect us not to respond?

Just because you don't get it does not mean it isn't good.

Maybe it is because some of us (actually most of us) would like to watch a damm football game without the camera cutting to a luxury box where she mugs for the camera.
Or ABC "news" reporting her attended her boyfriend's NFL KC Chiefs game like its some sort of breaking story.
I am rooting against KC Chiefs now because of this juvenile crap.
Lets just say its gotten old very quickly.

Take it up with the NFL and tv stations. She’s watching her boyfriend play football. That doesn’t reflect poorly on her.

Yeah right. Like she's not involved in this overexposure or unaware this is happening.

So she shoukd stay locked up in her house?

Are you seriously that dense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The personal attacks in this thread are silly.

People who love Taylor Swift are of course welcome to do so. They are legion. I'm sure you have your reasons. Enjoy.

I do not like Taylor Swift, get annoyed with how much I am exposed to not only her music (which I find boring, derivative, and repetitive) but her personal life. Much more so than any other celebrity at the moment, even the Kardashians at their height (ugh) or Madonna or Britney or Christina in their heydays.

And I'm entitled to those opinions, too. This thread was started as a place to complain about Taylor Swift. Of course anyone can comment, but I don't get all the comments insisting "No, she is the best, if you don't like her you suck!" I don't think people who like her are bad people. I just don't get it. I don't like her. I am not going to be persuaded to like her by someone listing her achievements (there are lots of Grammy award-winning artists I have no interest in, especially in the pop category) or reciting her lyrics to me. Does she have a few nice turns of phrase in her music? She better, she has too many albums not to. Does this redeem her sound to me? No. It is boring. Treacly. Predictable. Crafted to be as broadly appealing as possible which means it offers very little to be inspired or surprised or delighted with.

This goes without saying of course, but: in my opinion.

Telling me I'm a bad person or stupid or a "plebe" or whatever doesn't suddenly make my opinion invalid. It just makes you look bad. I have music I love that my husband will roll his eyes at, and I've never been so offended by this that I call him names. I just think we have slightly different taste and he doesn't have the mix of background and preferences to like everything I like. Meanwhile, he likes a few bands like Parquet Courts that have this lo-fi, garage-band sound that I can't listen to for more than 10 minutes without getting irritated.

Musical taste is finicky like that. We all have our preferences. Disliking Taylor Swift in soon-to-be-2024 sometimes feels like a lonely endeavor, and it's nice to have a place to go where you can say "what is this music? why do people like it? I do not get it?" and have people understand. The number of people who have streamed into this thread to say NO YOU ARE WRONG AND ALSO SUCK AS A HUMAN BEING is so exhausting. It doesn't make me like Taylor Swift any more, but it makes me like her fan base less.

Leave me alone in my dislike of Taylor Swift. Best of luck getting tickets on her next tour and I hope your Taylor-branded holiday gifts were everything you hoped. Now can we please get back to talking about how freaking bad Taylor Swift music is?

But starting a thread and then piling on to a thread about how bad someone's music is, is the exact opposite of leaving TS fans alone. I don't get why this is hard. You are free to dislike TS. But getting annoyed that fans are responding to something with such a nasty, ill informed subject is way off base. Why can't the haters leave the fans alone? You aren't showing them the same courtesy you are asking for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The personal attacks in this thread are silly.

People who love Taylor Swift are of course welcome to do so. They are legion. I'm sure you have your reasons. Enjoy.

I do not like Taylor Swift, get annoyed with how much I am exposed to not only her music (which I find boring, derivative, and repetitive) but her personal life. Much more so than any other celebrity at the moment, even the Kardashians at their height (ugh) or Madonna or Britney or Christina in their heydays.

And I'm entitled to those opinions, too. This thread was started as a place to complain about Taylor Swift. Of course anyone can comment, but I don't get all the comments insisting "No, she is the best, if you don't like her you suck!" I don't think people who like her are bad people. I just don't get it. I don't like her. I am not going to be persuaded to like her by someone listing her achievements (there are lots of Grammy award-winning artists I have no interest in, especially in the pop category) or reciting her lyrics to me. Does she have a few nice turns of phrase in her music? She better, she has too many albums not to. Does this redeem her sound to me? No. It is boring. Treacly. Predictable. Crafted to be as broadly appealing as possible which means it offers very little to be inspired or surprised or delighted with.

This goes without saying of course, but: in my opinion.

Telling me I'm a bad person or stupid or a "plebe" or whatever doesn't suddenly make my opinion invalid. It just makes you look bad. I have music I love that my husband will roll his eyes at, and I've never been so offended by this that I call him names. I just think we have slightly different taste and he doesn't have the mix of background and preferences to like everything I like. Meanwhile, he likes a few bands like Parquet Courts that have this lo-fi, garage-band sound that I can't listen to for more than 10 minutes without getting irritated.

Musical taste is finicky like that. We all have our preferences. Disliking Taylor Swift in soon-to-be-2024 sometimes feels like a lonely endeavor, and it's nice to have a place to go where you can say "what is this music? why do people like it? I do not get it?" and have people understand. The number of people who have streamed into this thread to say NO YOU ARE WRONG AND ALSO SUCK AS A HUMAN BEING is so exhausting. It doesn't make me like Taylor Swift any more, but it makes me like her fan base less.

Leave me alone in my dislike of Taylor Swift. Best of luck getting tickets on her next tour and I hope your Taylor-branded holiday gifts were everything you hoped. Now can we please get back to talking about how freaking bad Taylor Swift music is?

I don’t know about these personal attacks against the people who don’t like Swift because I’ve been focused just on the past few pages, where the people who like her are mostly just saying some version of “I like her music.” But there are paragraphs and paragraphs tearing her down, both as a person and an artist. (And apparently Paul McCartney, too.) I don’t get the fervor on any side that makes someone write a thesis. It’s music. It’s ok to like different things.

[Anonymous]

I guess I don't get why non Taylor fans need a place to vent? I can't stand the Kardarshians, and yes, I know more about them than I would like, but it doesn't impact my day to day. I have curated my insta feed etc. so that I don't get a ton of exposure to them beyond the occasional E news or Us weekly story. They have a million hours of reality tv out in the world, but I've managed not to ever watch an episode (I have seen clips etc.).

I know about their love lives a little and the fact that a bunch of the sisters have kids, break ups, etc. but again, it's possible to filter it out. I know they have a lot of fans and defenders, but it would never occur to me to bash the fans or tell them they are dumb for buying their beauty or clothing products or watching their shows. I get being annoyed with Taylor if you are an NFL fan, but honestly, this is just a blip and it will blow over, and it kind of has nothing to do with her music or lyrics any way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The personal attacks in this thread are silly.

People who love Taylor Swift are of course welcome to do so. They are legion. I'm sure you have your reasons. Enjoy.

I do not like Taylor Swift, get annoyed with how much I am exposed to not only her music (which I find boring, derivative, and repetitive) but her personal life. Much more so than any other celebrity at the moment, even the Kardashians at their height (ugh) or Madonna or Britney or Christina in their heydays.

And I'm entitled to those opinions, too. This thread was started as a place to complain about Taylor Swift. Of course anyone can comment, but I don't get all the comments insisting "No, she is the best, if you don't like her you suck!" I don't think people who like her are bad people. I just don't get it. I don't like her. I am not going to be persuaded to like her by someone listing her achievements (there are lots of Grammy award-winning artists I have no interest in, especially in the pop category) or reciting her lyrics to me. Does she have a few nice turns of phrase in her music? She better, she has too many albums not to. Does this redeem her sound to me? No. It is boring. Treacly. Predictable. Crafted to be as broadly appealing as possible which means it offers very little to be inspired or surprised or delighted with.

This goes without saying of course, but: in my opinion.

Telling me I'm a bad person or stupid or a "plebe" or whatever doesn't suddenly make my opinion invalid. It just makes you look bad. I have music I love that my husband will roll his eyes at, and I've never been so offended by this that I call him names. I just think we have slightly different taste and he doesn't have the mix of background and preferences to like everything I like. Meanwhile, he likes a few bands like Parquet Courts that have this lo-fi, garage-band sound that I can't listen to for more than 10 minutes without getting irritated.

Musical taste is finicky like that. We all have our preferences. Disliking Taylor Swift in soon-to-be-2024 sometimes feels like a lonely endeavor, and it's nice to have a place to go where you can say "what is this music? why do people like it? I do not get it?" and have people understand. The number of people who have streamed into this thread to say NO YOU ARE WRONG AND ALSO SUCK AS A HUMAN BEING is so exhausting. It doesn't make me like Taylor Swift any more, but it makes me like her fan base less.

Leave me alone in my dislike of Taylor Swift. Best of luck getting tickets on her next tour and I hope your Taylor-branded holiday gifts were everything you hoped. Now can we please get back to talking about how freaking bad Taylor Swift music is?

But starting a thread and then piling on to a thread about how bad someone's music is, is the exact opposite of leaving TS fans alone. I don't get why this is hard. You are free to dislike TS. But getting annoyed that fans are responding to something with such a nasty, ill informed subject is way off base. Why can't the haters leave the fans alone? You aren't showing them the same courtesy you are asking for.

This thread is not for her fans. The tip off for that was in the title.

The idea that this thread is a direct attack on you, personally, is narcissism. And people are not "piling on" to the thread. They are posting in a thread about disliking Taylor Swift with their own negative opinions of Taylor Swift.

Again, where in society is it acceptable to say "I don't like Taylor Swift" right now? Almost nowhere. Can we just have this tiny corner of the internet please? Why do you view yourself as somehow welcome in or somehow obligated to participate in a thread that is explicitly about NOT liking Taylor Swift. I'm sure there are dozens of places you could go right now, both online and off, where you could say "Taylor Swift is the best and I love her" and would immediately be greeted with agreement and people "piling on" with praise for Swift. Go there.

I really do not like Taylor Swift. Rather than saying this on Twitter or Facebook or at a cocktail party or a family dinner where I will almost certainly be told I'm wrong by at least one Swiftie present, I came here, to this thread titled "Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)."

And yet... here you are. I'm allowed to dislike Taylor Swift. You are allowed to like her. But I have few places where I can freely express that opinion without being attacked or dismissed, whereas you have MANY places to express your opinion. What is wrong with you that you can't just let us have this thread. It is a fascist impulse to try and stamp out even the slightest scent of dissent from your opinions. Just accept not everyone agrees with you and MOVE ON.