Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

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Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

You know what I find fascinating? People like op who hate Taylor Swift are not content to just hate her but also hate on the people who love her. You are the ones attacking and yet we are the mean girls? I haven't read one pro Taylor Swift fan insult you anti TS personally. Did you expect us not to respond?

Just because you don't get it does not mean it isn't good.

Maybe it is because some of us (actually most of us) would like to watch a damm football game without the camera cutting to a luxury box where she mugs for the camera.
Or ABC "news" reporting her attended her boyfriend's NFL KC Chiefs game like its some sort of breaking story.
I am rooting against KC Chiefs now because of this juvenile crap.
Lets just say its gotten old very quickly.

Take it up with the NFL and tv stations. She’s watching her boyfriend play football. That doesn’t reflect poorly on her.

Yeah right. Like she's not involved in this overexposure or unaware this is happening.

So she shoukd stay locked up in her house?

Are you seriously that dense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The personal attacks in this thread are silly.

People who love Taylor Swift are of course welcome to do so. They are legion. I'm sure you have your reasons. Enjoy.

I do not like Taylor Swift, get annoyed with how much I am exposed to not only her music (which I find boring, derivative, and repetitive) but her personal life. Much more so than any other celebrity at the moment, even the Kardashians at their height (ugh) or Madonna or Britney or Christina in their heydays.

And I'm entitled to those opinions, too. This thread was started as a place to complain about Taylor Swift. Of course anyone can comment, but I don't get all the comments insisting "No, she is the best, if you don't like her you suck!" I don't think people who like her are bad people. I just don't get it. I don't like her. I am not going to be persuaded to like her by someone listing her achievements (there are lots of Grammy award-winning artists I have no interest in, especially in the pop category) or reciting her lyrics to me. Does she have a few nice turns of phrase in her music? She better, she has too many albums not to. Does this redeem her sound to me? No. It is boring. Treacly. Predictable. Crafted to be as broadly appealing as possible which means it offers very little to be inspired or surprised or delighted with.

This goes without saying of course, but: in my opinion.

Telling me I'm a bad person or stupid or a "plebe" or whatever doesn't suddenly make my opinion invalid. It just makes you look bad. I have music I love that my husband will roll his eyes at, and I've never been so offended by this that I call him names. I just think we have slightly different taste and he doesn't have the mix of background and preferences to like everything I like. Meanwhile, he likes a few bands like Parquet Courts that have this lo-fi, garage-band sound that I can't listen to for more than 10 minutes without getting irritated.

Musical taste is finicky like that. We all have our preferences. Disliking Taylor Swift in soon-to-be-2024 sometimes feels like a lonely endeavor, and it's nice to have a place to go where you can say "what is this music? why do people like it? I do not get it?" and have people understand. The number of people who have streamed into this thread to say NO YOU ARE WRONG AND ALSO SUCK AS A HUMAN BEING is so exhausting. It doesn't make me like Taylor Swift any more, but it makes me like her fan base less.

Leave me alone in my dislike of Taylor Swift. Best of luck getting tickets on her next tour and I hope your Taylor-branded holiday gifts were everything you hoped. Now can we please get back to talking about how freaking bad Taylor Swift music is?

But starting a thread and then piling on to a thread about how bad someone's music is, is the exact opposite of leaving TS fans alone. I don't get why this is hard. You are free to dislike TS. But getting annoyed that fans are responding to something with such a nasty, ill informed subject is way off base. Why can't the haters leave the fans alone? You aren't showing them the same courtesy you are asking for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The personal attacks in this thread are silly.

People who love Taylor Swift are of course welcome to do so. They are legion. I'm sure you have your reasons. Enjoy.

I do not like Taylor Swift, get annoyed with how much I am exposed to not only her music (which I find boring, derivative, and repetitive) but her personal life. Much more so than any other celebrity at the moment, even the Kardashians at their height (ugh) or Madonna or Britney or Christina in their heydays.

And I'm entitled to those opinions, too. This thread was started as a place to complain about Taylor Swift. Of course anyone can comment, but I don't get all the comments insisting "No, she is the best, if you don't like her you suck!" I don't think people who like her are bad people. I just don't get it. I don't like her. I am not going to be persuaded to like her by someone listing her achievements (there are lots of Grammy award-winning artists I have no interest in, especially in the pop category) or reciting her lyrics to me. Does she have a few nice turns of phrase in her music? She better, she has too many albums not to. Does this redeem her sound to me? No. It is boring. Treacly. Predictable. Crafted to be as broadly appealing as possible which means it offers very little to be inspired or surprised or delighted with.

This goes without saying of course, but: in my opinion.

Telling me I'm a bad person or stupid or a "plebe" or whatever doesn't suddenly make my opinion invalid. It just makes you look bad. I have music I love that my husband will roll his eyes at, and I've never been so offended by this that I call him names. I just think we have slightly different taste and he doesn't have the mix of background and preferences to like everything I like. Meanwhile, he likes a few bands like Parquet Courts that have this lo-fi, garage-band sound that I can't listen to for more than 10 minutes without getting irritated.

Musical taste is finicky like that. We all have our preferences. Disliking Taylor Swift in soon-to-be-2024 sometimes feels like a lonely endeavor, and it's nice to have a place to go where you can say "what is this music? why do people like it? I do not get it?" and have people understand. The number of people who have streamed into this thread to say NO YOU ARE WRONG AND ALSO SUCK AS A HUMAN BEING is so exhausting. It doesn't make me like Taylor Swift any more, but it makes me like her fan base less.

Leave me alone in my dislike of Taylor Swift. Best of luck getting tickets on her next tour and I hope your Taylor-branded holiday gifts were everything you hoped. Now can we please get back to talking about how freaking bad Taylor Swift music is?

I don’t know about these personal attacks against the people who don’t like Swift because I’ve been focused just on the past few pages, where the people who like her are mostly just saying some version of “I like her music.” But there are paragraphs and paragraphs tearing her down, both as a person and an artist. (And apparently Paul McCartney, too.) I don’t get the fervor on any side that makes someone write a thesis. It’s music. It’s ok to like different things.

[Anonymous]

I guess I don't get why non Taylor fans need a place to vent? I can't stand the Kardarshians, and yes, I know more about them than I would like, but it doesn't impact my day to day. I have curated my insta feed etc. so that I don't get a ton of exposure to them beyond the occasional E news or Us weekly story. They have a million hours of reality tv out in the world, but I've managed not to ever watch an episode (I have seen clips etc.).

I know about their love lives a little and the fact that a bunch of the sisters have kids, break ups, etc. but again, it's possible to filter it out. I know they have a lot of fans and defenders, but it would never occur to me to bash the fans or tell them they are dumb for buying their beauty or clothing products or watching their shows. I get being annoyed with Taylor if you are an NFL fan, but honestly, this is just a blip and it will blow over, and it kind of has nothing to do with her music or lyrics any way.

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Anonymous wrote:The personal attacks in this thread are silly.

People who love Taylor Swift are of course welcome to do so. They are legion. I'm sure you have your reasons. Enjoy.

I do not like Taylor Swift, get annoyed with how much I am exposed to not only her music (which I find boring, derivative, and repetitive) but her personal life. Much more so than any other celebrity at the moment, even the Kardashians at their height (ugh) or Madonna or Britney or Christina in their heydays.

And I'm entitled to those opinions, too. This thread was started as a place to complain about Taylor Swift. Of course anyone can comment, but I don't get all the comments insisting "No, she is the best, if you don't like her you suck!" I don't think people who like her are bad people. I just don't get it. I don't like her. I am not going to be persuaded to like her by someone listing her achievements (there are lots of Grammy award-winning artists I have no interest in, especially in the pop category) or reciting her lyrics to me. Does she have a few nice turns of phrase in her music? She better, she has too many albums not to. Does this redeem her sound to me? No. It is boring. Treacly. Predictable. Crafted to be as broadly appealing as possible which means it offers very little to be inspired or surprised or delighted with.

This goes without saying of course, but: in my opinion.

Telling me I'm a bad person or stupid or a "plebe" or whatever doesn't suddenly make my opinion invalid. It just makes you look bad. I have music I love that my husband will roll his eyes at, and I've never been so offended by this that I call him names. I just think we have slightly different taste and he doesn't have the mix of background and preferences to like everything I like. Meanwhile, he likes a few bands like Parquet Courts that have this lo-fi, garage-band sound that I can't listen to for more than 10 minutes without getting irritated.

Musical taste is finicky like that. We all have our preferences. Disliking Taylor Swift in soon-to-be-2024 sometimes feels like a lonely endeavor, and it's nice to have a place to go where you can say "what is this music? why do people like it? I do not get it?" and have people understand. The number of people who have streamed into this thread to say NO YOU ARE WRONG AND ALSO SUCK AS A HUMAN BEING is so exhausting. It doesn't make me like Taylor Swift any more, but it makes me like her fan base less.

Leave me alone in my dislike of Taylor Swift. Best of luck getting tickets on her next tour and I hope your Taylor-branded holiday gifts were everything you hoped. Now can we please get back to talking about how freaking bad Taylor Swift music is?

But starting a thread and then piling on to a thread about how bad someone's music is, is the exact opposite of leaving TS fans alone. I don't get why this is hard. You are free to dislike TS. But getting annoyed that fans are responding to something with such a nasty, ill informed subject is way off base. Why can't the haters leave the fans alone? You aren't showing them the same courtesy you are asking for.

This thread is not for her fans. The tip off for that was in the title.

The idea that this thread is a direct attack on you, personally, is narcissism. And people are not "piling on" to the thread. They are posting in a thread about disliking Taylor Swift with their own negative opinions of Taylor Swift.

Again, where in society is it acceptable to say "I don't like Taylor Swift" right now? Almost nowhere. Can we just have this tiny corner of the internet please? Why do you view yourself as somehow welcome in or somehow obligated to participate in a thread that is explicitly about NOT liking Taylor Swift. I'm sure there are dozens of places you could go right now, both online and off, where you could say "Taylor Swift is the best and I love her" and would immediately be greeted with agreement and people "piling on" with praise for Swift. Go there.

I really do not like Taylor Swift. Rather than saying this on Twitter or Facebook or at a cocktail party or a family dinner where I will almost certainly be told I'm wrong by at least one Swiftie present, I came here, to this thread titled "Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)."

And yet... here you are. I'm allowed to dislike Taylor Swift. You are allowed to like her. But I have few places where I can freely express that opinion without being attacked or dismissed, whereas you have MANY places to express your opinion. What is wrong with you that you can't just let us have this thread. It is a fascist impulse to try and stamp out even the slightest scent of dissent from your opinions. Just accept not everyone agrees with you and MOVE ON.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I don't get why non Taylor fans need a place to vent? I can't stand the Kardarshians, and yes, I know more about them than I would like, but it doesn't impact my day to day. I have curated my insta feed etc. so that I don't get a ton of exposure to them beyond the occasional E news or Us weekly story. They have a million hours of reality tv out in the world, but I've managed not to ever watch an episode (I have seen clips etc.).

I know about their love lives a little and the fact that a bunch of the sisters have kids, break ups, etc. but again, it's possible to filter it out. I know they have a lot of fans and defenders, but it would never occur to me to bash the fans or tell them they are dumb for buying their beauty or clothing products or watching their shows. I get being annoyed with Taylor if you are an NFL fan, but honestly, this is just a blip and it will blow over, and it kind of has nothing to do with her music or lyrics any way.

Plenty of people do vent about the Kardashians. All of the time. And there’s the “why are they even famous…oh yeah, that video” shtick to fall back on. But with Taylor, if you think she lacks any talent and is nothing more than a well-packaged, well marketed hack, which many of us do, you get hit back by how she’s the best singer/lyricist ever and how dare you even think she isn’t a GOAT. So yes, we’d like a little corner of the internet to anonymously vent about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I don't get why non Taylor fans need a place to vent? I can't stand the Kardarshians, and yes, I know more about them than I would like, but it doesn't impact my day to day. I have curated my insta feed etc. so that I don't get a ton of exposure to them beyond the occasional E news or Us weekly story. They have a million hours of reality tv out in the world, but I've managed not to ever watch an episode (I have seen clips etc.).

I know about their love lives a little and the fact that a bunch of the sisters have kids, break ups, etc. but again, it's possible to filter it out. I know they have a lot of fans and defenders, but it would never occur to me to bash the fans or tell them they are dumb for buying their beauty or clothing products or watching their shows. I get being annoyed with Taylor if you are an NFL fan, but honestly, this is just a blip and it will blow over, and it kind of has nothing to do with her music or lyrics any way.

I cannot go a single day without either hearing Taylor Swift's music or hearing about her love life or her off stage behavior. I can go weeks without hearing Joe Biden's voice or anything about his life, but I can't go 24 hours without hearing about Taylor Swift. I don't even go on Instagram or Facebook -- I hear her music all the time in the world, people bring her up everywhere I go, she gets mentioned in news articles and pop culture stories that don't have anything to do with her.

Literally yesterday I was FaceTiming with my brother and SIL and their son, and my SIL, who I didn't even know liked Taylor Swift, suddenly explained she'd gotten some Swift-related piece of art for Christmas and then went on a 10 minute diatribe about not getting Eras tickets and going to see the Swift movie. This was in response to the question "so how is your holiday going? any fun gifts?"

So yes, I need this thread. Because when this happened what I said was "oh, that's cool. yeah, I heard those tickets were hard to come by. Mmm hmm, glad the movie was good. Did you guys see Oppenheimer? We finally watched it and really liked it. Oh, yeah, I heard about the Travis Kelce thing, interesting. Oh, speaking of music, we are going to see that new Leonard Bernstein bio-pic this week... oh yeah, we're still talking about Taylor Swift? Okay."

The Kardashians, even at the height of Kim & Kanye, have NOTHING on the current stranglehold that Swift has on our culture. Disliking Taylor Swift in 2023 is like not liking the Beatles in 1964. And yeah yeah yeah, everyone likes the Beatles. I do too. If 50 years from now everyone agrees Taylor Swift is like the Beatles, I'll give you a thumbs up from the grave, okay?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The personal attacks in this thread are silly.

People who love Taylor Swift are of course welcome to do so. They are legion. I'm sure you have your reasons. Enjoy.

I do not like Taylor Swift, get annoyed with how much I am exposed to not only her music (which I find boring, derivative, and repetitive) but her personal life. Much more so than any other celebrity at the moment, even the Kardashians at their height (ugh) or Madonna or Britney or Christina in their heydays.

And I'm entitled to those opinions, too. This thread was started as a place to complain about Taylor Swift. Of course anyone can comment, but I don't get all the comments insisting "No, she is the best, if you don't like her you suck!" I don't think people who like her are bad people. I just don't get it. I don't like her. I am not going to be persuaded to like her by someone listing her achievements (there are lots of Grammy award-winning artists I have no interest in, especially in the pop category) or reciting her lyrics to me. Does she have a few nice turns of phrase in her music? She better, she has too many albums not to. Does this redeem her sound to me? No. It is boring. Treacly. Predictable. Crafted to be as broadly appealing as possible which means it offers very little to be inspired or surprised or delighted with.

This goes without saying of course, but: in my opinion.

Telling me I'm a bad person or stupid or a "plebe" or whatever doesn't suddenly make my opinion invalid. It just makes you look bad. I have music I love that my husband will roll his eyes at, and I've never been so offended by this that I call him names. I just think we have slightly different taste and he doesn't have the mix of background and preferences to like everything I like. Meanwhile, he likes a few bands like Parquet Courts that have this lo-fi, garage-band sound that I can't listen to for more than 10 minutes without getting irritated.

Musical taste is finicky like that. We all have our preferences. Disliking Taylor Swift in soon-to-be-2024 sometimes feels like a lonely endeavor, and it's nice to have a place to go where you can say "what is this music? why do people like it? I do not get it?" and have people understand. The number of people who have streamed into this thread to say NO YOU ARE WRONG AND ALSO SUCK AS A HUMAN BEING is so exhausting. It doesn't make me like Taylor Swift any more, but it makes me like her fan base less.

Leave me alone in my dislike of Taylor Swift. Best of luck getting tickets on her next tour and I hope your Taylor-branded holiday gifts were everything you hoped. Now can we please get back to talking about how freaking bad Taylor Swift music is?

I don’t know about these personal attacks against the people who don’t like Swift because I’ve been focused just on the past few pages, where the people who like her are mostly just saying some version of “I like her music.” But there are paragraphs and paragraphs tearing her down, both as a person and an artist. (And apparently Paul McCartney, too.) I don’t get the fervor on any side that makes someone write a thesis. It’s music. It’s ok to like different things.

"Tearing down" music you don't like is called music criticism. Every artist who releases music into the world is subject to it. Why would Taylor Swift be exempt? You can find critical comments and articles about literally every musical artist in history, including the Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Beethoven, Leonard Cohen, Dolly Parton, etc. The idea that someone writing a post about how they don't like her lyrics, or comparing her music unfavorably to Paul Simon's or whatever, is some kind of low blow is nuts. It's immaturity. You can either engage with the arguments being presented or not, no one cares. But to argue that these arguments should not even be made or that people who think these things should just be quiet is so controlling and childish.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

DP.

THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR TAYLOR SWIFT FANS. I really do not understand why you think it is.

Taylor Swift writes trite, repetitive, uninspired music and most of her popularity is due to a true brilliance for marketing and a keen understanding of her core audience, as well as a very impressive PR machine that keeps her name and image in the public imagination to a degree I've never seen before. But her music is mediocre, at best.

I am not saying this to bait fans of Taylor Swift. I'm not even saying it TO her fans. It's just what I actually think. I'm sorry you think it's "weird" to have an opinion and express it. If you don't like it, feel free to take issue with it.

If you find it "super annoying" to be told these things, I suggest you leave this thread about how Taylor Swift sucks. Literally, title of the thread. Why are you here if it's so hard for you to read these things? That's the part that is weird.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I don't get why non Taylor fans need a place to vent? I can't stand the Kardarshians, and yes, I know more about them than I would like, but it doesn't impact my day to day. I have curated my insta feed etc. so that I don't get a ton of exposure to them beyond the occasional E news or Us weekly story. They have a million hours of reality tv out in the world, but I've managed not to ever watch an episode (I have seen clips etc.).

I know about their love lives a little and the fact that a bunch of the sisters have kids, break ups, etc. but again, it's possible to filter it out. I know they have a lot of fans and defenders, but it would never occur to me to bash the fans or tell them they are dumb for buying their beauty or clothing products or watching their shows. I get being annoyed with Taylor if you are an NFL fan, but honestly, this is just a blip and it will blow over, and it kind of has nothing to do with her music or lyrics any way.

Plenty of people do vent about the Kardashians. All of the time. And there’s the “why are they even famous…oh yeah, that video” shtick to fall back on. But with Taylor, if you think she lacks any talent and is nothing more than a well-packaged, well marketed hack, which many of us do, you get hit back by how she’s the best singer/lyricist ever and how dare you even think she isn’t a GOAT. So yes, we’d like a little corner of the internet to anonymously vent about it.

Are you really that bored? You said your piece. Is it really necessary to vent on and on about someone you hate?

Btw, it may not have been you but saying that Taylor Swift is "ugly" is pretty low and sexist. No one would talk about a male musicians' looks. Ask yourself why you as a group feel it necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

You know what I find fascinating? People like op who hate Taylor Swift are not content to just hate her but also hate on the people who love her. You are the ones attacking and yet we are the mean girls? I haven't read one pro Taylor Swift fan insult you anti TS personally. Did you expect us not to respond?

Just because you don't get it does not mean it isn't good.

Maybe it is because some of us (actually most of us) would like to watch a damm football game without the camera cutting to a luxury box where she mugs for the camera.
Or ABC "news" reporting her attended her boyfriend's NFL KC Chiefs game like its some sort of breaking story.
I am rooting against KC Chiefs now because of this juvenile crap.
Lets just say its gotten old very quickly.

Take it up with the NFL and tv stations. She’s watching her boyfriend play football. That doesn’t reflect poorly on her.

Yeah right. Like she's not involved in this overexposure or unaware this is happening.

So she shoukd stay locked up in her house?

Are you seriously that dense?

Look in the mirror and you will see dense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

I’m PP who made the comparison. Feel free to twist it around and take it out of context, but I was specifically asked who I do consider a good lyricist. Why do I have to pick a bad one to boost Taylor’s bland and reductive lyrics?

You want good pop lyrics? Listen to Regina Spektor. Do I have to go through everyone who is better than Taylor at writing lyrics? That would take up all year. Or do you want me to compare Taylor to the Spice Girls, so that she can sound good?

Do we have to lower musical standards to prop Taylor up? Or can’t her fans admit, she’s not a very good lyricist, even if her music makes you feel good. I love Abba, but I don’t go around saying Mama Mia has the best lyrics ever.

I am not quite sure you were the same poster, who was just looking for a place event, if if so, you are brutally contradicting yourself. Venting is different than practically begging Taylor Swift and to admit “yes her lyrics are not that good thank you for helping me see the light” lol. Do you not see why people are going to react to that. Sorry, but you’re probably not going get a lot of fans on this thread giving you that reaction. if that is what you need to be able to move on, I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s one thing to vent or complain, it’s another thing which a lot of posters are doing to practically beg people to agree with them. it’s super annoying to be told that you are the arbiter of musical taste and everybody else is wrong. It’s also just really weird.

I am not the same poster. Believe it or not, there are lots of people who quietly can’t stand Taylor. That being said, being specific and detailed in explaining why you don’t like Taylor Swift’s is not “begging people to agree with you.”

Take your own advice and “move on,” if you are so bothered by comprehensive critiques of her music.

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Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

You know what I find fascinating? People like op who hate Taylor Swift are not content to just hate her but also hate on the people who love her. You are the ones attacking and yet we are the mean girls? I haven't read one pro Taylor Swift fan insult you anti TS personally. Did you expect us not to respond?

Just because you don't get it does not mean it isn't good.

Maybe it is because some of us (actually most of us) would like to watch a damm football game without the camera cutting to a luxury box where she mugs for the camera.
Or ABC "news" reporting her attended her boyfriend's NFL KC Chiefs game like its some sort of breaking story.
I am rooting against KC Chiefs now because of this juvenile crap.
Lets just say its gotten old very quickly.

Take it up with the NFL and tv stations. She’s watching her boyfriend play football. That doesn’t reflect poorly on her.

Yeah right. Like she's not involved in this overexposure or unaware this is happening.

So she shoukd stay locked up in her house?

Are you seriously that dense?

Look in the mirror and you will see dense

Hey clown. The point was your dense post of her being "locked up in her house" has nothing to do with the fact she is over exposed and should not be featured in a televised sporting event.