Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s a lot of effort to discuss anything you hate that much. One thing is certain- like Taylor Swift or not, you sound incredibly miserable.

DP, but I agreed with the PP and don't think they sound miserable. Some people enjoy music criticism. Engaging in a debate like this is interesting for some of us. Taking the time to go look at lyrics and consider the other side can be time well spent when it helps you to refine your own taste, think about what you like and don't, etc. PP is no more "miserable" than anyone spending time today checkin this thread to get mad at PP, or anyone who doesn't agree with their love of Taylor Swift. People have opinions, they enjoy sharing them. The idea that one side is good and right and the other side bad and wrong is childish. You can like Taylor Swift and say why, and PP and others can dislike her and say why, and no one will ever be right or wrong because it's a subjective assessment, but I personally think it's a kind of fun conversation to have.

+ 1, but the Switfties can’t handle any criticism of Taylor. They’re like a a cult with no taste.

Defending her is different than " not handling criticism" i mean you are here defending your views why can't we? We could say you are in a cult of haters

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s a lot of effort to discuss anything you hate that much. One thing is certain- like Taylor Swift or not, you sound incredibly miserable.

DP, but I agreed with the PP and don't think they sound miserable. Some people enjoy music criticism. Engaging in a debate like this is interesting for some of us. Taking the time to go look at lyrics and consider the other side can be time well spent when it helps you to refine your own taste, think about what you like and don't, etc. PP is no more "miserable" than anyone spending time today checkin this thread to get mad at PP, or anyone who doesn't agree with their love of Taylor Swift. People have opinions, they enjoy sharing them. The idea that one side is good and right and the other side bad and wrong is childish. You can like Taylor Swift and say why, and PP and others can dislike her and say why, and no one will ever be right or wrong because it's a subjective assessment, but I personally think it's a kind of fun conversation to have.

+ 1, but the Switfties can’t handle any criticism of Taylor. They’re like a a cult with no taste.

I’m not a Swiftie but the scientist poster you are defending is very condescending.

I don’t care what the topic is, it could be anything, that poster is an a$$hole. They’re the kind of person who would roast you to your face then say “I’m just joking.”

[Anonymous]

I like the Taylor Swiff lyrics in these songs:
- Blank Space
- Look what you made me do
- Ready for it
- Lover
- The Man
- Bejeweled

The others are mostly crap, lyrics-wise. There might be a few golden spots. But they are mostly famous because of the production (catchy hook etc.) and Easter eggs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

You are hilariously invested. It’s so funny watching this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

I see good lyrics. No need for either of us to prove anything. It’s an opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

I see good lyrics. No need for either of us to prove anything. It’s an opinion.

Could you verbalize what about them is good? I mean beyond the generic, “I relate to them,” or “they speak to me.” Why? What about “Cause I remember it all, all, all too well,” makes it a good lyric?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

You are hilariously invested. It’s so funny watching this thread.

Hilariously invested? It takes one second to write a comment on here. This isn’t dissertation quality work. But I do agree that it’s funny, watching all the Swifties being completely incapable of coming up with one good, artistic lyric while simultaneously claiming she’s an amazing lyricist.

You can adore her, fine. People like cotton candy and Twinkie’s, too. But don’t pretend she writes good lyrics and act like she’s crime brûlée.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

You are hilariously invested. It’s so funny watching this thread.

Hilariously invested? It takes one second to write a comment on here. This isn’t dissertation quality work. But I do agree that it’s funny, watching all the Swifties being completely incapable of coming up with one good, artistic lyric while simultaneously claiming she’s an amazing lyricist.

You can adore her, fine. People like cotton candy and Twinkie’s, too. But don’t pretend she writes good lyrics and act like she’s crime brûlée.

I don’t know her lyrics all that well, haven’t quoted any, but no one owes you any explanation. As you said, it’s about taste. Music is feeling. Just like you hate her, others like her. You can’t seriously argue that people can experience lyrics, poetry, novels differently. Why is this a difficult concept for you? You want to argue it like some math equation or something. That’s just seriously strange when talking about music in any regard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

I see good lyrics. No need for either of us to prove anything. It’s an opinion.

Could you verbalize what about them is good? I mean beyond the generic, “I relate to them,” or “they speak to me.” Why? What about “Cause I remember it all, all, all too well,” makes it a good lyric?

What a confusing argument. All artists have filler. Who are you holding up as an exemplar lyricist?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

I see good lyrics. No need for either of us to prove anything. It’s an opinion.

Could you verbalize what about them is good? I mean beyond the generic, “I relate to them,” or “they speak to me.” Why? What about “Cause I remember it all, all, all too well,” makes it a good lyric?

What a confusing argument. All artists have filler. Who are you holding up as an exemplar lyricist?

I relate to them or they speak to me are perfectly fine reasons when it comes to any art. That’s the entire point. PP is cookoo. And full of herself.

[Anonymous]

Someone up thread referred to Tori Amos. I present to you her opening lyrics from arguably her biggest song:

Never was a cornflake girl
Thought it was a good solution
Hanging with the raisin girls
She's gone to the other side
Giving us the yo heave ho
Things are getting kind of gross
And I go at sleepy time

I mean, come on. Her vocalization and the music make that song a classic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

I see good lyrics. No need for either of us to prove anything. It’s an opinion.

Could you verbalize what about them is good? I mean beyond the generic, “I relate to them,” or “they speak to me.” Why? What about “Cause I remember it all, all, all too well,” makes it a good lyric?

What a confusing argument. All artists have filler. Who are you holding up as an exemplar lyricist?

Where do I start?

Let’s compare the first verse of Paul Simon’s “America,” to the first line of “Blank Space.”

I’m using Blank Space because PP lauded it and both are about heading out on an a romantic adventure.

From America:
“Let us be lovers, we’ll marry our fortunes together,
I’ve got some real estate here in my bag,
So we bought a pack of cigarettes and Mrs. Wagner pies,
And walked off to look for America.”

And now from Blank Space:

“Nice to meet you, where have you been,
I could show you incredible things,
Magic, madness, heaven, sin,
Saw you there and I thought,
‘Oh my God, look at that face,
You look like my next mistake,
Love’s a game, wanna play,’ Ay.”

In “America,” we have immediate, powerful imagery. We know parties are poor, we know they’re eating crappy junk food and heading off to start new lives somewhere. So much is said, in so few words, 36 total.

With “Blank Space,” we learn nothing of the parties, except that they just met and that the protagonist, thinks the other person is good looking and that she wants to have a romance. She uses 43 words to say little more than two people met and one of them thinks it’ll be a mistake, but she’s going to for it anyway. I don’t know where they are. I don’t know what they’re doing. I don’t see anything really.

“Walked off to look for America,” conveys so much more than “I could show you incredible things, Magic, madness, heaven, sin.”

Taylor is like a Mrs. Wagner pie. It’s fine if you want to eat that. Go for it. But don’t call her a talented lyricist. It’s insulting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

You are hilariously invested. It’s so funny watching this thread.

Hilariously invested? It takes one second to write a comment on here. This isn’t dissertation quality work. But I do agree that it’s funny, watching all the Swifties being completely incapable of coming up with one good, artistic lyric while simultaneously claiming she’s an amazing lyricist.

You can adore her, fine. People like cotton candy and Twinkie’s, too. But don’t pretend she writes good lyrics and act like she’s crime brûlée.

I don’t know her lyrics all that well, haven’t quoted any, but no one owes you any explanation. As you said, it’s about taste. Music is feeling. Just like you hate her, others like her. You can’t seriously argue that people can experience lyrics, poetry, novels differently. Why is this a difficult concept for you? You want to argue it like some math equation or something. That’s just seriously strange when talking about music in any regard.

And you can’t seriously argue that some lyrics, poetry and novels aren’t more complex and artistic than others regardless of people’s experiences or “feelings” about them.

I love Harry Potter, but it’s not James Joyce.