UVA student missing

[Anonymous]

All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I did not allow my daughter to go to UVA because of the string of women gone missing, along the Route 29 corridor, over the last 20 years, in that area. Remember the Route 29 Stalker..... Something really wrong is going on there and it started long before this one case.

Way to live in fear rather than empower your daughter. Where, pray tell, did you send her instead?

I'm curious too - where can one be certain of 100% safety?

LOL thats stupid, NOT sending your child to a dangerous area to go to school when you dont have to makes sense to me. 20 years of similar styled violence and murder against women there and nothing is done to acknowledge the problem and thats okay but, an American gets their head cut off in another country and you want to bomb it.

Huh? I'm not even clear who you are trying to address

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I did not allow my daughter to go to UVA because of the string of women gone missing, along the Route 29 corridor, over the last 20 years, in that area. Remember the Route 29 Stalker..... Something really wrong is going on there and it started long before this one case.

Way to live in fear rather than empower your daughter. Where, pray tell, did you send her instead?

I'm curious too - where can one be certain of 100% safety?

I don't think anyone said anything about being 100% safe. Rather the question is why would you want to be in an area where women are disappearing and/or being murdered, based on a 20yr history of that kind of activity occurring and, those cases remain unsolved. I don't see people running over to live in high crime areas and send their kids to public school there if the don't have to. Why is the problem the ongoing disappearances not being addressed? I'll respond as OMG I didn't realized that there have been so many abductions and murders of young women in that area, what is going on?

I just don't think there is a college or area of this country where this is no crime. although granted - everyone would feel a lot better if the crimes were solved in the UVA area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

Yep. If WG, instead, had been the one to put his arm around Hannah, if he had walked her to a bar, bought her drinks, left with her....the spotlight would be on WG.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's so strange that none of Hannah's friends have been interviewed by the press, nobody who knows Matthew and can speak about his life, etc...
Usually in cases like this there's more information, more voices...unless I'm missing something.

Depends where you are getting your news. I saw the local DC stations interview with his land-lady and his former taxi-driving-co-worker yesterday on the news. I think there might also have been a neighbor from his building as well. As for Hannah's friends... I haven't heard too much, but I imagine they are feeling REALLY bad right now that they let her go out or didn't find her or fed her alcohol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

"Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system.'

What do you mean?

OJ Simpson got more than a fair shake - didn't he?

What is your gripe? I'd say poor people do not get the same access to counsel as the well to do, but then some well to do people are targeted for crimes that others woudl never be target for. There are inequities to be sure, but an attempt to generalize by race fails.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

Totally agree.

I also think it is possible that the simple fact that he fled may have given the police what they think is probable cause for these recent charges, since they probably told him when they interviewed him not to leave the area. And it is entirely possible that he fled not because he was guilty, but because he was afraid of getting blamed by police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

"Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system.'

What do you mean?

OJ Simpson got more than a fair shake - didn't he?

What is your gripe? I'd say poor people do not get the same access to counsel as the well to do, but then some well to do people are targeted for crimes that others woudl never be target for. There are inequities to be sure, but an attempt to generalize by race fails.

LOL - your example isn't exactly representative of the regular joe black man....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

"Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system.'

What do you mean?

OJ Simpson got more than a fair shake - didn't he?

What is your gripe? I'd say poor people do not get the same access to counsel as the well to do, but then some well to do people are targeted for crimes that others woudl never be target for. There are inequities to be sure, but an attempt to generalize by race fails.

http://www.sentencingproject.org/template/page.cfm?id=122

http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

http://www.publiceye.org/defendingjustice/pdfs/factsheets/10-Fact%20Sheet%20-%20System%20as%20Racist.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

"Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system.'

What do you mean?

OJ Simpson got more than a fair shake - didn't he?

What is your gripe? I'd say poor people do not get the same access to counsel as the well to do, but then some well to do people are targeted for crimes that others woudl never be target for. There are inequities to be sure, but an attempt to generalize by race fails.

LOL - your example isn't exactly representative of the regular joe black man....

NP here. So do you consider JLM a "regular joe black man"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

Stop. Please just stop. Start another thread about how the system does not work for black men. This is not the one. You have NO knowledge whatsoever about what evidence they have against this man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

"Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system.'

What do you mean?

OJ Simpson got more than a fair shake - didn't he?

What is your gripe? I'd say poor people do not get the same access to counsel as the well to do, but then some well to do people are targeted for crimes that others woudl never be target for. There are inequities to be sure, but an attempt to generalize by race fails.

LOL - your example isn't exactly representative of the regular joe black man....

NP here. So do you consider JLM a "regular joe black man"?

well he certainly isn't a millionaire ex-NFL player

[Anonymous]

From an abc news article about the case (http://abcnews.go.com/US/hannah-graham-searchers-returns-jesse-matthews-apartment/story?id=25677711):

"According to public records, Matthew was involved in 22 incidents between 1999 and 2007, the majority of which were related to some kind of traffic violations ranging from failure to wear a seatbelt to failure to yield or obey stop signs."

TWENTY TWO traffic stops and the most serious thing Matthew has been charged with is running a stop sign? Seriously? Sounds like Matthew has definitely been the victim of "driving while black" in the past, and this may have given him some reason to be cautious of police in this case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you playing race just STOP. He is being looked for because he was the last person seen with her and she is missing. And he fled. And then something else emerged which led them to issue a warrant for him - which they did not do immediately. He is under scrutiny because of his actions, NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!

No one, NO ONE, is saying that this is happening to him because he is black, rather his actions to me and many others could be the actions of a guilty man or an innocent man who fears the justice system. If it were my son and I knew he was innocent, I'd still be scared shitless for him. Black men do not get a fair shake in this country's justice system. Do you deny that fact? Can you not understand that maybe he is uncooperative because he fears cooperating will not work in his favor even if there's nothing to hide? People are coerced into false confessions more than you'd believe. He is already being assumed guilty. Being a black male and the last person to have seen a missing white girl, in a case where the police are under huge pressure and the public is screaming for answers is a dangerous and scary situation. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but I sincerely doubt his chances of a fair trial.

And if he were a white guy whose middle name was Wayne or something and an ex-combat vet who lived with his mother, people wold be assuming the same thing.