Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

This really isn’t typical for women. I was in a sorority at a large public university and we all either lived in-house or in apartments with 2-3 girls where we rarely had parties. No girls wanted the mess of parties and people in and out of their house like that. For boys though, this setup was typical.

Which sort of says a lot about these girls, again, not victim blaming, just pointing out facts.

OMG. So many people here saying they had similar party house experiences and you saunter in to disparage the girls and say no, everyone is wrong.

Your experience was different. It's ok.

Can hardly believe that posters like you are acting like it's a safe lifestyle.

No one’s saying it’s safe. They’re saying that it’s pretty common for college students to think they’re invincible.

And it generally is pretty safe. College students aren't a demographic at high risk for being murdered. And this type of killing is exceedingly rare.

College living is sort of a starter on adult life. I wouldn't be too concerned about my kid living in a house like this in Ann Arbor or Ithaca. I would be more concerned if they did so in a place like NE DC.

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I am wondering how close does a person have to be to a home for their cell phone to "ping" off that address?

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering how close does a person have to be to a home for their cell phone to "ping" off that address?

On 20/20 last week, they said his cell phone connected with the houses Wi-Fi a few times. So pretty close.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

This really isn’t typical for women. I was in a sorority at a large public university and we all either lived in-house or in apartments with 2-3 girls where we rarely had parties. No girls wanted the mess of parties and people in and out of their house like that. For boys though, this setup was typical.

Which sort of says a lot about these girls, again, not victim blaming, just pointing out facts.

OMG. So many people here saying they had similar party house experiences and you saunter in to disparage the girls and say no, everyone is wrong.

Your experience was different. It's ok.

Can hardly believe that posters like you are acting like it's a safe lifestyle.

No one’s saying it’s safe. They’re saying that it’s pretty common for college students to think they’re invincible.

And it generally is pretty safe. College students aren't a demographic at high risk for being murdered. And this type of killing is exceedingly rare.

College living is sort of a starter on adult life. I wouldn't be too concerned about my kid living in a house like this in Ann Arbor or Ithaca. I would be more concerned if they did so in a place like NE DC.

I’m not so much concerned with my kid living in a house but rather living in a known party house. A house where people who don’t even live there party without the roommates who do live there even being home. That’s a huge safety risk.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

This really isn’t typical for women. I was in a sorority at a large public university and we all either lived in-house or in apartments with 2-3 girls where we rarely had parties. No girls wanted the mess of parties and people in and out of their house like that. For boys though, this setup was typical.

Which sort of says a lot about these girls, again, not victim blaming, just pointing out facts.

OMG. So many people here saying they had similar party house experiences and you saunter in to disparage the girls and say no, everyone is wrong.

Your experience was different. It's ok.

Can hardly believe that posters like you are acting like it's a safe lifestyle.

Who said it's safe, specifically?

My posts have all been to remind people not to blame the other girls who were home for not calling the police. My posts have explained what they might have been thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

Then you're missing the point completely and probably not worth explaining it to you. Just stop reading here, you're not getting it.

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Anonymous wrote:No one condemned anyone for having a public page.

I just asked if that is common (innocent question, I don't know what most young women do nowadays).

Yes it's common for many young people - they just want the likes, don't care who from.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

+1 I'm not even sure my parents have keys to their house. I mean, I'm sure they exist somewhere, but it would take a while to find a set. When we were 5 people sharing one car, we always just left the keys in the car in the driveway.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

+1 Exactly!!

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

+1 truly

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

+1. I was raised to keep my doors locked at all times and I'm plenty social (and regularly have friends over). And I lived in a similar house in DC with 5 girls when I was in college, and we always locked our doors. We just considered it a basic safety precaution. Having random people coming in and going out at all hours and keeping the doors unlocked for anyone to walk in increases the risk of both property crime and violent crime. Of course that shouldn't be the case in a perfect world and of course we should have every right to leave our doors unlocked, but that's a naive way of looking at the world.

None of this is to say that those kids in any way deserved what happened to them, or that locking their doors would have ultimately deterred this guy, since he cased the house 12 times and clearly targeted one or more of them for some reason. I am just saying, generally, that locking your doors at all times is a relatively quick and easy way to reduce your risk of becoming a victim. This is an especially useful reminder for college kids, which many posters on this thread have.

The mindset of a person living in DC is much different than someone in Moscow, ID

I lived in a little college town like Moscow. We often kept our doors unlocked because not every housemate had a key. Break-ins were unheard of at the time, murder non existent, so we didn't fear keeping doors unlocked.

Friends in college or just living in the nearby major city locked their doors.

Whelp, bet that mindset is changed now. It’s not blaming, it’s just reality. God rest their sweet souls. As a parent, it’s just heartbreaking.

Are you suggesting a locked door would have kept Kohberger out?

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

This really isn’t typical for women. I was in a sorority at a large public university and we all either lived in-house or in apartments with 2-3 girls where we rarely had parties. No girls wanted the mess of parties and people in and out of their house like that. For boys though, this setup was typical.

Which sort of says a lot about these girls, again, not victim blaming, just pointing out facts.

OMG. So many people here saying they had similar party house experiences and you saunter in to disparage the girls and say no, everyone is wrong.

Your experience was different. It's ok.

Can hardly believe that posters like you are acting like it's a safe lifestyle.

No one’s saying it’s safe. They’re saying that it’s pretty common for college students to think they’re invincible.

And it generally is pretty safe. College students aren't a demographic at high risk for being murdered. And this type of killing is exceedingly rare.

College living is sort of a starter on adult life. I wouldn't be too concerned about my kid living in a house like this in Ann Arbor or Ithaca. I would be more concerned if they did so in a place like NE DC.

I’m not so much concerned with my kid living in a house but rather living in a known party house. A house where people who don’t even live there party without the roommates who do live there even being home. That’s a huge safety risk.

Okay, I don't think I ever encountered a place like that in college.