Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

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Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

I see good lyrics. No need for either of us to prove anything. It’s an opinion.

Could you verbalize what about them is good? I mean beyond the generic, “I relate to them,” or “they speak to me.” Why? What about “Cause I remember it all, all, all too well,” makes it a good lyric?

What a confusing argument. All artists have filler. Who are you holding up as an exemplar lyricist?

Where do I start?

Let’s compare the first verse of Paul Simon’s “America,” to the first line of “Blank Space.”

I’m using Blank Space because PP lauded it and both are about heading out on an a romantic adventure.

From America:
“Let us be lovers, we’ll marry our fortunes together,
I’ve got some real estate here in my bag,
So we bought a pack of cigarettes and Mrs. Wagner pies,
And walked off to look for America.”

And now from Blank Space:

“Nice to meet you, where have you been,
I could show you incredible things,
Magic, madness, heaven, sin,
Saw you there and I thought,
‘Oh my God, look at that face,
You look like my next mistake,
Love’s a game, wanna play,’ Ay.”

In “America,” we have immediate, powerful imagery. We know parties are poor, we know they’re eating crappy junk food and heading off to start new lives somewhere. So much is said, in so few words, 36 total.

With “Blank Space,” we learn nothing of the parties, except that they just met and that the protagonist, thinks the other person is good looking and that she wants to have a romance. She uses 43 words to say little more than two people met and one of them thinks it’ll be a mistake, but she’s going to for it anyway. I don’t know where they are. I don’t know what they’re doing. I don’t see anything really.

“Walked off to look for America,” conveys so much more than “I could show you incredible things, Magic, madness, heaven, sin.”

Taylor is like a Mrs. Wagner pie. It’s fine if you want to eat that. Go for it. But don’t call her a talented lyricist. It’s insulting.

I like some Paul Simon songs but still think ‘darling I’m a nightmare dressed as a daydream’ is a great line. Don’t care what you argue about artistry.

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Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

I see good lyrics. No need for either of us to prove anything. It’s an opinion.

Could you verbalize what about them is good? I mean beyond the generic, “I relate to them,” or “they speak to me.” Why? What about “Cause I remember it all, all, all too well,” makes it a good lyric?

What a confusing argument. All artists have filler. Who are you holding up as an exemplar lyricist?

Where do I start?

Let’s compare the first verse of Paul Simon’s “America,” to the first line of “Blank Space.”

I’m using Blank Space because PP lauded it and both are about heading out on an a romantic adventure.

From America:
“Let us be lovers, we’ll marry our fortunes together,
I’ve got some real estate here in my bag,
So we bought a pack of cigarettes and Mrs. Wagner pies,
And walked off to look for America.”

And now from Blank Space:

“Nice to meet you, where have you been,
I could show you incredible things,
Magic, madness, heaven, sin,
Saw you there and I thought,
‘Oh my God, look at that face,
You look like my next mistake,
Love’s a game, wanna play,’ Ay.”

In “America,” we have immediate, powerful imagery. We know parties are poor, we know they’re eating crappy junk food and heading off to start new lives somewhere. So much is said, in so few words, 36 total.

With “Blank Space,” we learn nothing of the parties, except that they just met and that the protagonist, thinks the other person is good looking and that she wants to have a romance. She uses 43 words to say little more than two people met and one of them thinks it’ll be a mistake, but she’s going to for it anyway. I don’t know where they are. I don’t know what they’re doing. I don’t see anything really.

“Walked off to look for America,” conveys so much more than “I could show you incredible things, Magic, madness, heaven, sin.”

Taylor is like a Mrs. Wagner pie. It’s fine if you want to eat that. Go for it. But don’t call her a talented lyricist. It’s insulting.

I like some Paul Simon songs but still think ‘darling I’m a nightmare dressed as a daydream’ is a great line. Don’t care what you argue about artistry.

That line is neither creative nor poetic. Taylor took one of the most common idioms in the English language “a wolf in sheep’s clothing” and replaced it with took two other simple opposites words (nightmare is the “wolf” and daydream is the “sheep’s clothing”). Even worse, she used “daydream” vs “nightmare”. Ooh my dreams come true are really nightmares. Wow, what profound, deeply artistic and creative imagery.

Her process for writing those lyrics is as formulaic as it gets. She doesn’t even need a thesaurus.

Keep it coming! This is fun!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

[Anonymous]

Aw, we can’t argue with you. We’re obviously just too simple because our reasoning for liking her is just…we enjoy listening to her music. Sorry it’s not enough meat for you to pick apart.

But since you requested more and it brings you joy, you go ahead and pick apart these quotes: https://www.insider.com/taylor-swift-praised-by-icons-2023-8?amp. I sure don’t know what I’m talking about, but I’m sure you’ll find worthy opponents in Billy Joel, Stevie Nicks, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Carole King, Dolly Parton, Shania Twain, Bruce Springsteen, and Jon Bon Jovi. Bless your sweet heart and happy holidays!

[Anonymous]

I'm astounded by people dismissing her lyrics. All Too Well is a freakin' masterpiece.

"Yea you call me up again just to break me like a promise, SO CASUALLY CRUEL IN THE NAME OF BEING HONEST" -

That last phrase really resonates with me - who in their youth didn't date at least for a little while a d*ck who manipulated our insecurities like that? And I met my husband at 23, so didn't have a long and sordid dating life, but damn I knew a guy or two in college who fit that description and that one line just completely takes me there, which is impressive.

And her song Lover just takes me back too to those falling in love days. "Can I go where you go? Can we always be this close"? Okay maybe not groundbreaking but gives me the feels - I remember that stage of a relationship. And I love the way she reclaims the word "lover" which used to give me the icks but she sings it sorta ironically in that song....

I could go on. I love some of her lyrics!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aw, we can’t argue with you. We’re obviously just too simple because our reasoning for liking her is just…we enjoy listening to her music. Sorry it’s not enough meat for you to pick apart.

But since you requested more and it brings you joy, you go ahead and pick apart these quotes: https://www.insider.com/taylor-swift-praised-by-icons-2023-8?amp. I sure don’t know what I’m talking about, but I’m sure you’ll find worthy opponents in Billy Joel, Stevie Nicks, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Carole King, Dolly Parton, Shania Twain, Bruce Springsteen, and Jon Bon Jovi. Bless your sweet heart and happy holidays!

That article was already discussed ad nauseam earlier in the thread. Not only does Taylor regurgitate other people’s ideas and music, her fanatics repeat the same arguments over and over. Can’t you or Taylor come up with something new to say?

[Anonymous]

Comparing “blank space” and “America” by Paul simon?
That’s ridiculous and sad. Someone isn’t really arguing in good faith when they come up with absurd analogies.
Blank Space is a catchy pop tune. It’s got a hook ( which America does not). It’s meant for top 40 radio play. “America” is one of my favorite songs but get real. This is a silly comparison. And the sentiments aren’t rooted in anything similar.
Stop trying so hard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

You know what I find fascinating? People like op who hate Taylor Swift are not content to just hate her but also hate on the people who love her. You are the ones attacking and yet we are the mean girls? I haven't read one pro Taylor Swift fan insult you anti TS personally. Did you expect us not to respond?

Just because you don't get it does not mean it isn't good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

You know what I find fascinating? People like op who hate Taylor Swift are not content to just hate her but also hate on the people who love her. You are the ones attacking and yet we are the mean girls? I haven't read one pro Taylor Swift fan insult you anti TS personally. Did you expect us not to respond?

Just because you don't get it does not mean it isn't good.

Maybe it is because some of us (actually most of us) would like to watch a damm football game without the camera cutting to a luxury box where she mugs for the camera.
Or ABC "news" reporting her attended her boyfriend's NFL KC Chiefs game like its some sort of breaking story.
I am rooting against KC Chiefs now because of this juvenile crap.
Lets just say its gotten old very quickly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

You know what I find fascinating? People like op who hate Taylor Swift are not content to just hate her but also hate on the people who love her. You are the ones attacking and yet we are the mean girls? I haven't read one pro Taylor Swift fan insult you anti TS personally. Did you expect us not to respond?

Just because you don't get it does not mean it isn't good.

Maybe it is because some of us (actually most of us) would like to watch a damm football game without the camera cutting to a luxury box where she mugs for the camera.
Or ABC "news" reporting her attended her boyfriend's NFL KC Chiefs game like its some sort of breaking story.
I am rooting against KC Chiefs now because of this juvenile crap.
Lets just say its gotten old very quickly.

Take it up with the NFL and tv stations. She’s watching her boyfriend play football. That doesn’t reflect poorly on her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aw, we can’t argue with you. We’re obviously just too simple because our reasoning for liking her is just…we enjoy listening to her music. Sorry it’s not enough meat for you to pick apart.

But since you requested more and it brings you joy, you go ahead and pick apart these quotes: https://www.insider.com/taylor-swift-praised-by-icons-2023-8?amp. I sure don’t know what I’m talking about, but I’m sure you’ll find worthy opponents in Billy Joel, Stevie Nicks, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Carole King, Dolly Parton, Shania Twain, Bruce Springsteen, and Jon Bon Jovi. Bless your sweet heart and happy holidays!

That article was already discussed ad nauseam earlier in the thread. Not only does Taylor regurgitate other people’s ideas and music, her fanatics repeat the same arguments over and over. Can’t you or Taylor come up with something new to say?

Yeah, Paul McCartney, pfft. WTH does he know about songwriting. DCUM anonymous is where I get my standards from. Plebes.

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Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

You know what I find fascinating? People like op who hate Taylor Swift are not content to just hate her but also hate on the people who love her. You are the ones attacking and yet we are the mean girls? I haven't read one pro Taylor Swift fan insult you anti TS personally. Did you expect us not to respond?

Just because you don't get it does not mean it isn't good.

Maybe it is because some of us (actually most of us) would like to watch a damm football game without the camera cutting to a luxury box where she mugs for the camera.
Or ABC "news" reporting her attended her boyfriend's NFL KC Chiefs game like its some sort of breaking story.
I am rooting against KC Chiefs now because of this juvenile crap.
Lets just say its gotten old very quickly.

Take it up with the NFL and tv stations. She’s watching her boyfriend play football. That doesn’t reflect poorly on her.

Yeah right. Like she's not involved in this overexposure or unaware this is happening.

[Anonymous]

Paul McCartney is well known for some sappy songs..

Hello, goodbye..you say hello and I say goodbye?
Ob-la-da-ob la-da. ...
When I'm sixty-four?
Rocky Raccoon?

Also a few years ago McCartney wrote two oratorios and I heard one called " ecce meum cor" which was truly awful. It was performed in dc ( he wasn't there) blegh

So yes McCartney can write some terrible songs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door

Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

When your kids make a billion dollars like Taylor Swift we will listen . Until then....nope

What do this poster’s kids’ potential future incomes have to do with her critique of Taylor’s lyrics?

Instead of using a straw man argument which has nothing to do with the debate, why not respond to what you see in these lyrics, while taking into account the poster’s criticism, and proving it wrong?

You can’t. Because she’s spot on. So, instead, you change the topic and talk about the jillions her kids have to make in order for her to critique Taylor.

What a joke!

+1- Taylor fans are mean girls who tear down any poster who gives real critique of Taylor by attempting to slight the posters.

They do this in part because Taylor has been promoting the idea that to defend her is to defend women. Many-to-most fans have bought into this premise: that Taylor (and her products) will show just how powerful women are.

Sadly, the Swifties don’t seem to understand that their rush of personal attacks are almost always against women.

You know what I find fascinating? People like op who hate Taylor Swift are not content to just hate her but also hate on the people who love her. You are the ones attacking and yet we are the mean girls? I haven't read one pro Taylor Swift fan insult you anti TS personally. Did you expect us not to respond?

Just because you don't get it does not mean it isn't good.

Maybe it is because some of us (actually most of us) would like to watch a damm football game without the camera cutting to a luxury box where she mugs for the camera.
Or ABC "news" reporting her attended her boyfriend's NFL KC Chiefs game like its some sort of breaking story.
I am rooting against KC Chiefs now because of this juvenile crap.
Lets just say its gotten old very quickly.

Take it up with the NFL and tv stations. She’s watching her boyfriend play football. That doesn’t reflect poorly on her.

Yeah right. Like she's not involved in this overexposure or unaware this is happening.

So she shoukd stay locked up in her house?

[Anonymous]

The personal attacks in this thread are silly.

People who love Taylor Swift are of course welcome to do so. They are legion. I'm sure you have your reasons. Enjoy.

I do not like Taylor Swift, get annoyed with how much I am exposed to not only her music (which I find boring, derivative, and repetitive) but her personal life. Much more so than any other celebrity at the moment, even the Kardashians at their height (ugh) or Madonna or Britney or Christina in their heydays.

And I'm entitled to those opinions, too. This thread was started as a place to complain about Taylor Swift. Of course anyone can comment, but I don't get all the comments insisting "No, she is the best, if you don't like her you suck!" I don't think people who like her are bad people. I just don't get it. I don't like her. I am not going to be persuaded to like her by someone listing her achievements (there are lots of Grammy award-winning artists I have no interest in, especially in the pop category) or reciting her lyrics to me. Does she have a few nice turns of phrase in her music? She better, she has too many albums not to. Does this redeem her sound to me? No. It is boring. Treacly. Predictable. Crafted to be as broadly appealing as possible which means it offers very little to be inspired or surprised or delighted with.

This goes without saying of course, but: in my opinion.

Telling me I'm a bad person or stupid or a "plebe" or whatever doesn't suddenly make my opinion invalid. It just makes you look bad. I have music I love that my husband will roll his eyes at, and I've never been so offended by this that I call him names. I just think we have slightly different taste and he doesn't have the mix of background and preferences to like everything I like. Meanwhile, he likes a few bands like Parquet Courts that have this lo-fi, garage-band sound that I can't listen to for more than 10 minutes without getting irritated.

Musical taste is finicky like that. We all have our preferences. Disliking Taylor Swift in soon-to-be-2024 sometimes feels like a lonely endeavor, and it's nice to have a place to go where you can say "what is this music? why do people like it? I do not get it?" and have people understand. The number of people who have streamed into this thread to say NO YOU ARE WRONG AND ALSO SUCK AS A HUMAN BEING is so exhausting. It doesn't make me like Taylor Swift any more, but it makes me like her fan base less.

Leave me alone in my dislike of Taylor Swift. Best of luck getting tickets on her next tour and I hope your Taylor-branded holiday gifts were everything you hoped. Now can we please get back to talking about how freaking bad Taylor Swift music is?