Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO READ ABOUT THIS CASE!
Daniel Penny is a FLIPPING AMERICAN HERO! He stepped up to stop this monster before he could kill anyone on the train and now he is being attacked. What if he sat there and let this freak show kill someone?? He was out of his mind! Insane! Hell no. And I quote this from a news article:

“Neely was homeless, schizophrenic and had a record of 40 arrests that included punching a 67-year-old woman in the face.

On May 1, he was screaming that he wanted to 'kill a motherf****r' to get a ticket to jail where he'd receive meals.

Daniel Penny, a 24-year-old Marine veteran, stepped in and put him in a chokehold. Neely died at the scene.”

So people who are mentally ill should be killed? Keep in mind that Penny didn't know Neely's mental health history. We don't condone vigilantes in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO READ ABOUT THIS CASE!
Daniel Penny is a FLIPPING AMERICAN HERO! He stepped up to stop this monster before he could kill anyone on the train and now he is being attacked. What if he sat there and let this freak show kill someone?? He was out of his mind! Insane! Hell no. And I quote this from a news article:

“Neely was homeless, schizophrenic and had a record of 40 arrests that included punching a 67-year-old woman in the face.

On May 1, he was screaming that he wanted to 'kill a motherf****r' to get a ticket to jail where he'd receive meals.

Daniel Penny, a 24-year-old Marine veteran, stepped in and put him in a chokehold. Neely died at the scene.”

Oh, okay, yeah this is all we need to read. There's no nuance here--just a good guy and a bad guy and bad guys deserve to die each and every time. Have you taken your meds yet today? Because you sound unhinged. A stroll outside on this nice sunny day might do wonders for you.

[Anonymous]

Here’s the thing: even if Neely had punched someone in the face, Penny would still be facing charges and likely get convicted.

Why? Because Penny’s use of force was disproportionate. Neely was subdued on the ground by 3 adult men and Penny continued to choke him until the life liquidated out of Neely’s orifices.

Those are the gruel facts. A claim of self-defense or defense of others has to be proportionate to immediacy and severity of the threat at hand. Once again, you can’t kill someone because of “bad vibes.” It doesn’t work like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO READ ABOUT THIS CASE!
Daniel Penny is a FLIPPING AMERICAN HERO! He stepped up to stop this monster before he could kill anyone on the train and now he is being attacked. What if he sat there and let this freak show kill someone?? He was out of his mind! Insane! Hell no. And I quote this from a news article:

“Neely was homeless, schizophrenic and had a record of 40 arrests that included punching a 67-year-old woman in the face.

On May 1, he was screaming that he wanted to 'kill a motherf****r' to get a ticket to jail where he'd receive meals.

Daniel Penny, a 24-year-old Marine veteran, stepped in and put him in a chokehold. Neely died at the scene.”

So people who are mentally ill should be killed? Keep in mind that Penny didn't know Neely's mental health history. We don't condone vigilantes in the US.

The violent ones - yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO READ ABOUT THIS CASE!
Daniel Penny is a FLIPPING AMERICAN HERO! He stepped up to stop this monster before he could kill anyone on the train and now he is being attacked. What if he sat there and let this freak show kill someone?? He was out of his mind! Insane! Hell no. And I quote this from a news article:

“Neely was homeless, schizophrenic and had a record of 40 arrests that included punching a 67-year-old woman in the face.

On May 1, he was screaming that he wanted to 'kill a motherf****r' to get a ticket to jail where he'd receive meals.

Daniel Penny, a 24-year-old Marine veteran, stepped in and put him in a chokehold. Neely died at the scene.”

That a young adult who served his country is being prosecuted and threatened with prison time for having the courage to defend others from a violent lunatic should shock all of us to our core. It is absolute insanity that the progressive crowd has turned this around to make Neely some kind of victim and Penny a criminal. NYC prosecutors are a joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO READ ABOUT THIS CASE!
Daniel Penny is a FLIPPING AMERICAN HERO! He stepped up to stop this monster before he could kill anyone on the train and now he is being attacked. What if he sat there and let this freak show kill someone?? He was out of his mind! Insane! Hell no. And I quote this from a news article:

“Neely was homeless, schizophrenic and had a record of 40 arrests that included punching a 67-year-old woman in the face.

On May 1, he was screaming that he wanted to 'kill a motherf****r' to get a ticket to jail where he'd receive meals.

Daniel Penny, a 24-year-old Marine veteran, stepped in and put him in a chokehold. Neely died at the scene.”

So people who are mentally ill should be killed? Keep in mind that Penny didn't know Neely's mental health history. We don't condone vigilantes in the US.

That's where you're wrong. Vigilantism is what you get when police fail to keep the peace. Citizens are forced to defend themselves and others. We'll be seeing a lot more of this in Leftie cities that don't empower police to keep order.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO READ ABOUT THIS CASE!
Daniel Penny is a FLIPPING AMERICAN HERO! He stepped up to stop this monster before he could kill anyone on the train and now he is being attacked. What if he sat there and let this freak show kill someone?? He was out of his mind! Insane! Hell no. And I quote this from a news article:

“Neely was homeless, schizophrenic and had a record of 40 arrests that included punching a 67-year-old woman in the face.

On May 1, he was screaming that he wanted to 'kill a motherf****r' to get a ticket to jail where he'd receive meals.

Daniel Penny, a 24-year-old Marine veteran, stepped in and put him in a chokehold. Neely died at the scene.”

So people who are mentally ill should be killed? Keep in mind that Penny didn't know Neely's mental health history. We don't condone vigilantes in the US.

The violent ones - yes.

DP. Okay, then. Why don't you propose to your elected officials that they pass some legislation allowing LE to round up all mentally ill people with a recorded history of violence and eliminate them by firing squad or other method of choice? Sounds reasonable to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO READ ABOUT THIS CASE!
Daniel Penny is a FLIPPING AMERICAN HERO! He stepped up to stop this monster before he could kill anyone on the train and now he is being attacked. What if he sat there and let this freak show kill someone?? He was out of his mind! Insane! Hell no. And I quote this from a news article:

“Neely was homeless, schizophrenic and had a record of 40 arrests that included punching a 67-year-old woman in the face.

On May 1, he was screaming that he wanted to 'kill a motherf****r' to get a ticket to jail where he'd receive meals.

Daniel Penny, a 24-year-old Marine veteran, stepped in and put him in a chokehold. Neely died at the scene.”

So people who are mentally ill should be killed? Keep in mind that Penny didn't know Neely's mental health history. We don't condone vigilantes in the US.

Give me a break. I may not be a marine biologist, but I recognize a fish when I see one. If someone is acting like a crazed lunatic on the metro, I don't need to see their medical history to recognize them as such.

[Anonymous]

Defense fund nearing 400K - yay! This prosecution is ridiculous/pure political theater and will go nowhere. But in the meantime, the poor kid will go through hell. Glad he at least will not have to pay for his defense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the thing: even if Neely had punched someone in the face, Penny would still be facing charges and likely get convicted.

Why? Because Penny’s use of force was disproportionate. Neely was subdued on the ground by 3 adult men and Penny continued to choke him until the life liquidated out of Neely’s orifices.

Those are the gruel facts. A claim of self-defense or defense of others has to be proportionate to immediacy and severity of the threat at hand. Once again, you can’t kill someone because of “bad vibes.” It doesn’t work like that.

And innocent people who are pushed in front of trains by mentally ill and/or repeat criminals? To what degree and to what level of comparison do you think their deaths are proportionate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the thing: even if Neely had punched someone in the face, Penny would still be facing charges and likely get convicted.

Why? Because Penny’s use of force was disproportionate. Neely was subdued on the ground by 3 adult men and Penny continued to choke him until the life liquidated out of Neely’s orifices.

Those are the gruel facts. A claim of self-defense or defense of others has to be proportionate to immediacy and severity of the threat at hand. Once again, you can’t kill someone because of “bad vibes.” It doesn’t work like that.

Here's the thing though, someone who has punched multiple people in the face, breaking bones, and has pushed a person in front of a train and attempted to kidnap a 7 year old, is not just a danger. Was Penny's use of force disproportionate? No. A punch to the face, unlike in the movies, can and does cause lifelong injuries, or worse. Even when you're not 67 years old. Life isn't the movies, Neely wasn't harmless. He wasn't just groping people, he was causing serious bodily injury to others, unprovoked, multiple times. He was in violation of his parole for the last time he punched a woman, a senior.

A claim of self-defense or defense of others has to be proportionate. Neely was a severe threat.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Defense fund nearing 400K - yay! This prosecution is ridiculous/pure political theater and will go nowhere. But in the meantime, the poor kid will go through hell. Glad he at least will not have to pay for his defense.

Jury will convict when they are shown photos of Neely dead on the subway floor in pool of his own vomited blood, piss, and feces. Prosecution will tell jury that these results are disproportionate use of force relative to Neely’s lunatic ranting, lack of weapon, and lack of physical assault. Prosecution will play video of the crowd pleading with Neely to let go, thereby eliminating his excuse that he didn’t realize Neely was dying.

Penny is f#cked, but his lawyers will get rich. Yay?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the thing: even if Neely had punched someone in the face, Penny would still be facing charges and likely get convicted.

Why? Because Penny’s use of force was disproportionate. Neely was subdued on the ground by 3 adult men and Penny continued to choke him until the life liquidated out of Neely’s orifices.

Those are the gruel facts. A claim of self-defense or defense of others has to be proportionate to immediacy and severity of the threat at hand. Once again, you can’t kill someone because of “bad vibes.” It doesn’t work like that.

What if a woman kills a person trying to rape her? Does she need to consider proportionate force?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the thing: even if Neely had punched someone in the face, Penny would still be facing charges and likely get convicted.

Why? Because Penny’s use of force was disproportionate. Neely was subdued on the ground by 3 adult men and Penny continued to choke him until the life liquidated out of Neely’s orifices.

Those are the gruel facts. A claim of self-defense or defense of others has to be proportionate to immediacy and severity of the threat at hand. Once again, you can’t kill someone because of “bad vibes.” It doesn’t work like that.

And innocent people who are pushed in front of trains by mentally ill and/or repeat criminals? To what degree and to what level of comparison do you think their deaths are proportionate?

What do those unrelated cases have to do with the facts and circumstances of this exact case?

You can’t kill someone because of bad vibes and “what if…”. The justice system doesn’t work like that, thank god.