Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, did you read that the doors were unlocked? I haven't seen that information. If not, it's premature to identify that as a factor in these murders .

No one knows this ..(except maybe LE)…it could have been an honest mistake if it was unlocked -Someone forgot to lock the door or someone did lock it and then someone went in and out and it was left unlocked. In any event, a quadruple stabbing murder in a town like Moscow is an incredibly rare event (and a rare event generally), and maybe there isn’t anything that could have prevented their deaths. It’s really easy to point fingers and say you wouldn’t do this or that.. Then that one time you slip up and make a mistake bc you’re a human and something happens to you, and people start blaming you instead of the psychopath that inflicted the harm? Severe lacking of compassion, grace, and respect for humanity, honestly.

It may have been left unlocked per usual, or it may have been left unlocked by a visitor, or a drunk visitor or a drunk tenant. There is no saying. Plus, it is always important to have multiple safeties in place for any sliding doors, including alarms.

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I lived in a house in college with a bunch of people and we never locked our doors. So stupid but we were young and caught up in college life.

And it wouldn't matter. Locking doors only stops the casual intruder. The only thing stopping a determined attacker, is a 24 hour armed guards.

+1 this guy went to the house a dozen times.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, did you read that the doors were unlocked? I haven't seen that information. If not, it's premature to identify that as a factor in these murders .

No one knows this ..(except maybe LE)…it could have been an honest mistake if it was unlocked -Someone forgot to lock the door or someone did lock it and then someone went in and out and it was left unlocked. In any event, a quadruple stabbing murder in a town like Moscow is an incredibly rare event (and a rare event generally), and maybe there isn’t anything that could have prevented their deaths. It’s really easy to point fingers and say you wouldn’t do this or that.. Then that one time you slip up and make a mistake bc you’re a human and something happens to you, and people start blaming you instead of the psychopath that inflicted the harm? Severe lacking of compassion, grace, and respect for humanity, honestly.

It may have been left unlocked per usual, or it may have been left unlocked by a visitor, or a drunk visitor or a drunk tenant. There is no saying. Plus, it is always important to have multiple safeties in place for any sliding doors, including alarms.

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I lived in a house in college with a bunch of people and we never locked our doors. So stupid but we were young and caught up in college life.

If I thought my college kid lived in an unlocked group house, I’d say “back to the dorm”, or no more funding. Why support this kind of stupidity? The potential consequences are too high to risk. I wouldn’t care how safe the town is.

Privileges demand basic responsibility.

+1 Thank you for your reasonable response. It's absurd that people defend this lifestyle instead of considering the safety of others going forward.

Saying that it exists and defending it are different.

Some posters were definitely defending it and saying it's victim blaming to mention safety precautions.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, did you read that the doors were unlocked? I haven't seen that information. If not, it's premature to identify that as a factor in these murders .

No one knows this ..(except maybe LE)…it could have been an honest mistake if it was unlocked -Someone forgot to lock the door or someone did lock it and then someone went in and out and it was left unlocked. In any event, a quadruple stabbing murder in a town like Moscow is an incredibly rare event (and a rare event generally), and maybe there isn’t anything that could have prevented their deaths. It’s really easy to point fingers and say you wouldn’t do this or that.. Then that one time you slip up and make a mistake bc you’re a human and something happens to you, and people start blaming you instead of the psychopath that inflicted the harm? Severe lacking of compassion, grace, and respect for humanity, honestly.

It may have been left unlocked per usual, or it may have been left unlocked by a visitor, or a drunk visitor or a drunk tenant. There is no saying. Plus, it is always important to have multiple safeties in place for any sliding doors, including alarms.

+1

I lived in a house in college with a bunch of people and we never locked our doors. So stupid but we were young and caught up in college life.

If I thought my college kid lived in an unlocked group house, I’d say “back to the dorm”, or no more funding. Why support this kind of stupidity? The potential consequences are too high to risk. I wouldn’t care how safe the town is.

Privileges demand basic responsibility.

+1 Thank you for your reasonable response. It's absurd that people defend this lifestyle instead of considering the safety of others going forward.

Saying that it exists and defending it are different.

Some posters were definitely defending it and saying it's victim blaming to mention safety precautions.

There are definitely people here victim blaming.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, did you read that the doors were unlocked? I haven't seen that information. If not, it's premature to identify that as a factor in these murders .

No one knows this ..(except maybe LE)…it could have been an honest mistake if it was unlocked -Someone forgot to lock the door or someone did lock it and then someone went in and out and it was left unlocked. In any event, a quadruple stabbing murder in a town like Moscow is an incredibly rare event (and a rare event generally), and maybe there isn’t anything that could have prevented their deaths. It’s really easy to point fingers and say you wouldn’t do this or that.. Then that one time you slip up and make a mistake bc you’re a human and something happens to you, and people start blaming you instead of the psychopath that inflicted the harm? Severe lacking of compassion, grace, and respect for humanity, honestly.

It may have been left unlocked per usual, or it may have been left unlocked by a visitor, or a drunk visitor or a drunk tenant. There is no saying. Plus, it is always important to have multiple safeties in place for any sliding doors, including alarms.

+1

I lived in a house in college with a bunch of people and we never locked our doors. So stupid but we were young and caught up in college life.

If I thought my college kid lived in an unlocked group house, I’d say “back to the dorm”, or no more funding. Why support this kind of stupidity? The potential consequences are too high to risk. I wouldn’t care how safe the town is.

Privileges demand basic responsibility.

+1 Thank you for your reasonable response. It's absurd that people defend this lifestyle instead of considering the safety of others going forward.

Saying that it exists and defending it are different.

Some posters were definitely defending it and saying it's victim blaming to mention safety precautions.

There are definitely people here victim blaming.

If only everyone in the world were kind, mentally stable, and looking out for others. We could leave our doors unlocked, stroll through downtowns after midnight, walk our dogs in parks alone, get drunk til we pass out, drive our cars over 100 mph, etc.

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I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

FFS. Victim blame much?

Guess what? Choices do matter

It sounds heartless, but I sort of agree. I’m not “victim blaming” but sometimes our poor choices and decisions lead to dire consequences.

Their parents all probably thought, look at our kids, so well rounded, off to college, very popular, they can handle themselves!

These kids had noise complaints and police contact frequently. They had people in and out all the time. They probably left the doors unlocked!

Let’s face it: kids this age make really, really stupid choices, and their parents happily find it, because look at my successful, popular kid!

Oh yeah, you are definitely victim blaming. And projecting quite a lot, I might add.

No one deserves to be stalked, then murdered in their sleep by an incel (or anyone else, for that matter).

+1000

So true. Now figure out how to stay as safe as possible in this imperfect world in which violent people are walking around.

Violent men.

We can start by addressing the toxic male culture that leads men to believe women owe them ANYTHING with little accountability.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

I think all of it is problematic and that we shouldn't encourage our kids to think otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

I think all of it is problematic and that we shouldn't encourage our kids to think otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that this board is now faulting the victims for have public social media pages, drinking and staying out late, living in a "party house" and possibly having unlocked doors for their fate but those of us calling out the dumb roommate that saw the murderer in the house that night for going to bed instead of calling the police, was us being mean and victim blaming.

In DCUMurbia, the only acceptable penalty for forgetting to lock a door is murder. No one on DCUM drinks because it's a burden on the healthcare system. Parties are political groups, not celebrations. People should live alone and isolated, quietly praying to the secular god, government, for a quick end.

Whoever you are, your sarcasm is absurd. Some precautions are appropriate for personal safety. Not a DCUM "thing."

The posters here seem to think that if don't ALWAYS lock your doors, you are just asking to be murdered. I humbly submit that this is not a likely outcome for an unlocked door. A locked door is not going to stop a stalker. Completely forgoing any party because someone invited might be a murderer isn't rational either. Some precautions for safety are things like wearing shoes or washing your hands, not giving up on social interactions.

Fine for you. We keep our doors locked, and we go to social events and parties often. I wouldn't want my loved ones to live in a known party house with random people coming and leaving at all hours, drinking til passing out, etc. No one has said to completely give up socializing. You are using an extreme, unrealistic example.

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No one condemned anyone for having a public page.

I just asked if that is common (innocent question, I don't know what most young women do nowadays).

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

FFS. Victim blame much?

Guess what? Choices do matter

It sounds heartless, but I sort of agree. I’m not “victim blaming” but sometimes our poor choices and decisions lead to dire consequences.

Their parents all probably thought, look at our kids, so well rounded, off to college, very popular, they can handle themselves!

These kids had noise complaints and police contact frequently. They had people in and out all the time. They probably left the doors unlocked!

Let’s face it: kids this age make really, really stupid choices, and their parents happily find it, because look at my successful, popular kid!

Oh yeah, you are definitely victim blaming. And projecting quite a lot, I might add.

No one deserves to be stalked, then murdered in their sleep by an incel (or anyone else, for that matter).

+1000

So true. Now figure out how to stay as safe as possible in this imperfect world in which violent people are walking around.

Violent men.

We can start by addressing the toxic male culture that leads men to believe women owe them ANYTHING with little accountability.

+1

Some violent men marry harpy bullies, and the men get more and more sick - refusing medicine is a huge problem. Incel men are a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, did you read that the doors were unlocked? I haven't seen that information. If not, it's premature to identify that as a factor in these murders .

No one knows this ..(except maybe LE)…it could have been an honest mistake if it was unlocked -Someone forgot to lock the door or someone did lock it and then someone went in and out and it was left unlocked. In any event, a quadruple stabbing murder in a town like Moscow is an incredibly rare event (and a rare event generally), and maybe there isn’t anything that could have prevented their deaths. It’s really easy to point fingers and say you wouldn’t do this or that.. Then that one time you slip up and make a mistake bc you’re a human and something happens to you, and people start blaming you instead of the psychopath that inflicted the harm? Severe lacking of compassion, grace, and respect for humanity, honestly.

It may have been left unlocked per usual, or it may have been left unlocked by a visitor, or a drunk visitor or a drunk tenant. There is no saying. Plus, it is always important to have multiple safeties in place for any sliding doors, including alarms.

+1

I lived in a house in college with a bunch of people and we never locked our doors. So stupid but we were young and caught up in college life.

If I thought my college kid lived in an unlocked group house, I’d say “back to the dorm”, or no more funding. Why support this kind of stupidity? The potential consequences are too high to risk. I wouldn’t care how safe the town is.

Privileges demand basic responsibility.

+1 Thank you for your reasonable response. It's absurd that people defend this lifestyle instead of considering the safety of others going forward.

Saying that it exists and defending it are different.

Some posters were definitely defending it and saying it's victim blaming to mention safety precautions.

There are definitely people here victim blaming.

+1

Its not a crime to be a pretty young college girl. I swear some of you hate your own kind and hate yourselves.

It is a crime to be a stalker and/or a murderer.