Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

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Anonymous wrote:Of course someone complaining about her lyrics is going to pull that sexy baby monster on the hill line which most of her diehard fans hate. This is what I meant about cherry picking bad lyrics.

And I think most people think Lennon gets most of the credit for the good Beatles lyrics. I mean what makes Hey Jude a great song isn’t the lyrics (take a sad song and make it better? Na na na na na na? those are the mark of genius?)

And of course McCartney has his own ridiculous ones like “ this ever changing world in which we live in”


The Beatles were never known for their lyrics. They were known for their music. Their music was groundbreaking and different than anything before it. On of my favorites is “Love Me Do.” Both the music and lyrics are quite simple, but they were genius because of their new, never before heard composition and sound.

Nothing Taylor sings is new or original. It’s a recycled, bland pop sound. Her songs are “co-written” and she writes the bland, unoriginal lyrics.

What great lyrics are you referring to? Be specific!

All I’m aware of is garbage that any 15 year old in Honors English could scribble down in study hall. One PP talked about the beautiful lyrics in “Bigger than the Whole Sky” and “Champagne Problems.” I’m open minded, so I doubled checked to see what she could possibly be referring to. All I find “BTWS” was basic junk like “salt streams out of my eyes and into my ears…goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, you were bigger than the whole sky.”

Those lyrics are laughably bad.

Let’s look at “Champagne Problems.” It’s got gems like “Your heart was glass, I dropped it,” and “Because I dropped your hand while dancing, Left you out there standing.”

Are those the amazing lyrics PP is referring to?!?

Or does she mean “Dom Perignon, you bought it, no crowd of friends applauded it,” or “You had a speech, you’re speechless.”

Or is it: “Your Midas touch on the Chevy door, November flush and your flannel cure.” That one, I think, is the worst of all. How exactly is he turning the Chevy door into gold or making money from it? That makes no sense. Clearly Taylor was trying to sound smart and allude to mythology, but that senseless lyric is so stupid. The “November Flush, flannel cure” line is another pathetic attempt at sounding poetic, but it comes across as generic. They had a cold and wore flannel, oooh how deep!

I can’t find a single decent line. Maybe Taylor should have gone to college. Maybe then she’d learn more sophisticated ways to write, or at least what “Midas Touch” means. It’s doubtful, but possible.

I implore you, please do share where Taylor’s great lyrics are. So far all I’ve seen makes Sir-Mix-A-Lot look like Shakespeare.
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That’s a lot of effort to discuss anything you hate that much. One thing is certain- like Taylor Swift or not, you sound incredibly miserable.
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Anonymous wrote:Guys come on. I get not liking an artist. I hate a ton of artists. But look at her recent lyrics.


You mean like from her recent single: “Once the flight has flown, with the wilt of the rose, I slept all alone, you still wouldn’t go….was it over when she laid down on the couch, was it over when he unbuttoned my blouse.”

Lord Byron is probably lying in his grave, happy to be dead because he couldn’t possibly compete with this poetic perfection.

I’m not sure what’s worse, the flown flight or the cheesy wilted rose, but I think I like the “short skirts, t-shirts” line better. (And again, she’s still going on and on about tops.) Taylor’s recent lyrics are even worse than her teenage ones.


I said recent?


She released that garbage in October 2023. How much more recent do you want?


She wrote it 10 years ago for 1989.


Who cares when she first wrote it? She released it two months ago. That’s the work she was proud of releasing this year at age 34.

What recent lyrics are you talking about? A slightly critical eye could tear any of them apart because she’s not a good lyricist. All of her lyrics are immature and cheesy.


NP but I think Anti-Hero has pretty catchy lyrics. And this was from 1989 but I love the lyrics for Blank Space. But you probably won’t agree because you think only white dudes from the 60s and 70s wrote good lyrics.


Tori Amos is actually my favorite lyricist. Let’s compare the lyrics from “Little Earthquakes” to “Anti-Hero,” shall we?

From Little Earthquakes: “We danced in graveyards with vampires ‘till dawn, We laughed in the faces of kings never afraid to burn, And I hate, and I hate, and I hate, and I hate disintegration, Watching us wither, Black winged roses that safely changed their color.”

Meanwhile from Anti-hero: “Sometimes I feel like everybody is a sexy baby, and I’m a monster on the hill, Too big to hang out, Slowly lurching towards your favorite city, Pierced through the heart, but never killed.”

I chose these two particular lyrics because they’re talking about the same thing, a break up and disillusion while invoking imagery of supernatural fiends.

Notice how Taylor can’t even come up with a more complex word than “monster” to describe Godzilla? Tori’s witches transform into “black winged roses that safely changed their color,” but all Taylor can come up with is “pierced through the heart but never killed.”

You can call that catchy, but I’ll call it what it is mediocre and dumbed down crap.

Taylor is basic. Basic. Basic. She’s dumbed down lyricist and I’m not sure for whom or why.



It kills you. You couldn't be " Taylor basic" if you had a whole team helping you. Lol
Anonymous
Taylor is a genius, she reads todays generation, its not her fault that the sign of the times is boring as hell,,,,,
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:That’s a lot of effort to discuss anything you hate that much. One thing is certain- like Taylor Swift or not, you sound incredibly miserable.


+1

I was one of the PPs and I don’t know anyone who feels so strongly about any singer as that PP. It’s intense.
Anonymous
Im mean, yeah, but who over 35 doesnt already know that?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:That’s a lot of effort to discuss anything you hate that much. One thing is certain- like Taylor Swift or not, you sound incredibly miserable.


DP, but I agreed with the PP and don't think they sound miserable. Some people enjoy music criticism. Engaging in a debate like this is interesting for some of us. Taking the time to go look at lyrics and consider the other side can be time well spent when it helps you to refine your own taste, think about what you like and don't, etc. PP is no more "miserable" than anyone spending time today checkin this thread to get mad at PP, or anyone who doesn't agree with their love of Taylor Swift. People have opinions, they enjoy sharing them. The idea that one side is good and right and the other side bad and wrong is childish. You can like Taylor Swift and say why, and PP and others can dislike her and say why, and no one will ever be right or wrong because it's a subjective assessment, but I personally think it's a kind of fun conversation to have.
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Anonymous wrote:Guys come on. I get not liking an artist. I hate a ton of artists. But look at her recent lyrics.


You mean like from her recent single: “Once the flight has flown, with the wilt of the rose, I slept all alone, you still wouldn’t go….was it over when she laid down on the couch, was it over when he unbuttoned my blouse.”

Lord Byron is probably lying in his grave, happy to be dead because he couldn’t possibly compete with this poetic perfection.

I’m not sure what’s worse, the flown flight or the cheesy wilted rose, but I think I like the “short skirts, t-shirts” line better. (And again, she’s still going on and on about tops.) Taylor’s recent lyrics are even worse than her teenage ones.


I said recent?


She released that garbage in October 2023. How much more recent do you want?


She wrote it 10 years ago for 1989.


Who cares when she first wrote it? She released it two months ago. That’s the work she was proud of releasing this year at age 34.

What recent lyrics are you talking about? A slightly critical eye could tear any of them apart because she’s not a good lyricist. All of her lyrics are immature and cheesy.


NP but I think Anti-Hero has pretty catchy lyrics. And this was from 1989 but I love the lyrics for Blank Space. But you probably won’t agree because you think only white dudes from the 60s and 70s wrote good lyrics.


Tori Amos is actually my favorite lyricist. Let’s compare the lyrics from “Little Earthquakes” to “Anti-Hero,” shall we?

From Little Earthquakes: “We danced in graveyards with vampires ‘till dawn, We laughed in the faces of kings never afraid to burn, And I hate, and I hate, and I hate, and I hate disintegration, Watching us wither, Black winged roses that safely changed their color.”

Meanwhile from Anti-hero: “Sometimes I feel like everybody is a sexy baby, and I’m a monster on the hill, Too big to hang out, Slowly lurching towards your favorite city, Pierced through the heart, but never killed.”

I chose these two particular lyrics because they’re talking about the same thing, a break up and disillusion while invoking imagery of supernatural fiends.

Notice how Taylor can’t even come up with a more complex word than “monster” to describe Godzilla? Tori’s witches transform into “black winged roses that safely changed their color,” but all Taylor can come up with is “pierced through the heart but never killed.”

You can call that catchy, but I’ll call it what it is mediocre and dumbed down crap.

Taylor is basic. Basic. Basic. She’s dumbed down lyricist and I’m not sure for whom or why.



It kills you. You couldn't be " Taylor basic" if you had a whole team helping you. Lol


I’m the PP who wrote the Tori Amos comment. I’m not a musician. I’m a scientist. I don’t try to make music and hate being the center of attention. I could never do a concert, I’d rather die than go in front of a huge stadium.

That doesn’t mean I can’t discern if someone has musical talent or not. I wouldn’t argue with PPs if they said that Taylor was a good performer. Maybe she is, I haven’t been to a concert (and never will go), so I wouldn’t know. But no, instead they say she’s an amazing lyricist. I don’t have to be a musician to see that her lyrics lack any depth, beauty, or symbolism. She does have a team helping her, but it hasn’t done anything to develop her lyrics or music. That kills you, especially when someone points out just how lacking her lyrics are, especially when compared to real artists, doesn’t it?
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Anonymous wrote:That’s a lot of effort to discuss anything you hate that much. One thing is certain- like Taylor Swift or not, you sound incredibly miserable.


DP, but I agreed with the PP and don't think they sound miserable. Some people enjoy music criticism. Engaging in a debate like this is interesting for some of us. Taking the time to go look at lyrics and consider the other side can be time well spent when it helps you to refine your own taste, think about what you like and don't, etc. PP is no more "miserable" than anyone spending time today checkin this thread to get mad at PP, or anyone who doesn't agree with their love of Taylor Swift. People have opinions, they enjoy sharing them. The idea that one side is good and right and the other side bad and wrong is childish. You can like Taylor Swift and say why, and PP and others can dislike her and say why, and no one will ever be right or wrong because it's a subjective assessment, but I personally think it's a kind of fun conversation to have.


+ 1, but the Switfties can’t handle any criticism of Taylor. They’re like a a cult with no taste.
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I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I like her moody break-up song lyrics the best.

From “All Too Well”

And maybe we got lost in translation
Maybe I asked for too much
But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up
Running scared, I was there
I remember it all too well
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well

From “Exile”
I think I've seen this film before
And I didn't like the ending
You're not my homeland anymore
So what am I defending now?
You were my town
Now I'm in exile, seein' you out
I think I've seen this film before
So I'm leavin' out the side door


Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:

1) “And maybe we got lost in translation” Sofia Coppola called, she says it’s reductive and cheesy as hell to copy the title of her hit movie for a lyric.

2) “Maybe I asked for too much” Bono wants his line back, too.

3) “But maybe this thing was a masterpiece 'til you tore it all up,” slow down there, Taylor, let’s not call your song a masterpiece when you’re literally copying better artists word for word for your inferior lyrics. Then again, I guess it is “masterful” to take One and reduce it.

4) “Running scared, I was there” oh lordie, can she not come up with one original line? Billy Crystal started in the movie three years before 1989.

5) “I remember it all too well” I believe you you, Taylor, that’s all you can do, remember other people’s ideas and words and regurgitate them in a lesser form.

6) “And you call me up again just to break me like a promise” Let’s see, I’m a vapid, uneducated person trying to sound poetic, so I’ll think of a deep analogy to visualize a broken heart. Hmmm, hmmm, I know, I know a broken promise! You broke me like a promise! It’s genius, I tell you. Genius!

7) “So casually cruel in the name of being honest” Seriously, what’s good about this lyric? It’s like a sad line from the diary of a 16 year old girl who just had a fight with her bff who told her those jeans did not look good on her behind.

8) “I'm a crumpled up piece of paper lying here” Read line 6 and repeat. Instead of a broken promise, I’ll make it a crumpled piece of paper! Ingenious! The Nobel Academy will be calling soon. Bob Dylan had nothing on me.

9) “'Cause I remember it all, all, all too well” Yes, we know Taylor.

I would happily get to Exile, but I have to put my sugared up kids to bed. They’re less than ten, but they write better than Taylor and her team, too. You’d think someone could step in and edit this crap….

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Anonymous wrote:That’s a lot of effort to discuss anything you hate that much. One thing is certain- like Taylor Swift or not, you sound incredibly miserable.


DP, but I agreed with the PP and don't think they sound miserable. Some people enjoy music criticism. Engaging in a debate like this is interesting for some of us. Taking the time to go look at lyrics and consider the other side can be time well spent when it helps you to refine your own taste, think about what you like and don't, etc. PP is no more "miserable" than anyone spending time today checkin this thread to get mad at PP, or anyone who doesn't agree with their love of Taylor Swift. People have opinions, they enjoy sharing them. The idea that one side is good and right and the other side bad and wrong is childish. You can like Taylor Swift and say why, and PP and others can dislike her and say why, and no one will ever be right or wrong because it's a subjective assessment, but I personally think it's a kind of fun conversation to have.


+ 1, but the Switfties can’t handle any criticism of Taylor. They’re like a a cult with no taste.


I’m not a Swiftie but the scientist poster you are defending is very condescending.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:
lol - nobody is as committed as Taylor Swift haters.
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Anonymous wrote:Where do I begin with how bad these lyrics are? Let’s go line by line:
lol - nobody is as committed as Taylor Swift haters.


Yes, committed to art and desperate to get rid of garbage in the media. Taylor is like a slightly better version of a Kardashian.
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Anonymous wrote:That’s a lot of effort to discuss anything you hate that much. One thing is certain- like Taylor Swift or not, you sound incredibly miserable.


DP, but I agreed with the PP and don't think they sound miserable. Some people enjoy music criticism. Engaging in a debate like this is interesting for some of us. Taking the time to go look at lyrics and consider the other side can be time well spent when it helps you to refine your own taste, think about what you like and don't, etc. PP is no more "miserable" than anyone spending time today checkin this thread to get mad at PP, or anyone who doesn't agree with their love of Taylor Swift. People have opinions, they enjoy sharing them. The idea that one side is good and right and the other side bad and wrong is childish. You can like Taylor Swift and say why, and PP and others can dislike her and say why, and no one will ever be right or wrong because it's a subjective assessment, but I personally think it's a kind of fun conversation to have.


Some posters are discussing her looks which isn't relevent to the discussion you say that you want to have.

If she were the man than she would be the man and no one would tear her down.
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