New TJ Lawsuit Filed 3/10/21 by Pacific Legal Foundation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Curie obsessed poster - Please call the FBI to investigate Curie. Or even Washington Post.

OR.. get a life.

No one needs to investigate them. The damning information is already publicly available because they made it so.

Curie won't get punished for it, because they broke no laws.

Almost impossible to determine which kids furnished the questions from the secured exam for their question bank.

We (those who have sought to hold them accountable) got what we were after, which was for the exam to be eliminated so that families couldn't pay for privileged access to exam materials. The measures of Curie's effectiveness that they themselves published were a huge piece of evidence that the exam is a deeply flawed measure of student aptitude or achievement.

And now we want to ensure that it never happens again.

This is such a logic fail. It's like saying airplanes shouldn't be allowed in the air because there was a crash.

You have replaced a good system with some flaws with a far worse system that FCPS has even less chance of administering properly.

TJ is now just a demonstration project for a bunch of SJWs to take credit for placing more Black and Hispanic kids at the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Curie obsessed poster - Please call the FBI to investigate Curie. Or even Washington Post.

OR.. get a life.

No one needs to investigate them. The damning information is already publicly available because they made it so.

Curie won't get punished for it, because they broke no laws.

Almost impossible to determine which kids furnished the questions from the secured exam for their question bank.

We (those who have sought to hold them accountable) got what we were after, which was for the exam to be eliminated so that families couldn't pay for privileged access to exam materials. The measures of Curie's effectiveness that they themselves published were a huge piece of evidence that the exam is a deeply flawed measure of student aptitude or achievement.

And now we want to ensure that it never happens again.

This is such a logic fail. It's like saying airplanes shouldn't be allowed in the air because there was a crash.

You have replaced a good system with some flaws with a far worse system that FCPS has even less chance of administering properly.

TJ is now just a demonstration project for a bunch of SJWs to take credit for placing more Black and Hispanic kids at the school.

Your comment does not address the one that it intends to address. In any way, shape, or form.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/28/todays-anti-asian-racism-usually-disguises-itself-diversity/

There are no end of commentators who have never set foot inside the school who want to make comments about it. Grain of salt.

Conservatives will never pass up a chance to use minorities as wedges against one another. Divide and conquer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While I think it's shifty that the prep class was considered a south asian "secret" (were other ethnic groups accepted/afforded opportunity to attend? is that legal?) I know for certain my white kid would also have been successful at getting accepted at TJ had he gone to school every saturday throughout his childhood to TJ prep. I did not suggest nor would I have suggested such a schedule as we have other priorities as a family on Saturdays and I don't attach any importance to TJ admission in my child's life.

Fine. You had other "priorities" like soccer or something? Don't hate on families that make school and success at school a priority just because it isn't a priority for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While I think it's shifty that the prep class was considered a south asian "secret" (were other ethnic groups accepted/afforded opportunity to attend? is that legal?) I know for certain my white kid would also have been successful at getting accepted at TJ had he gone to school every saturday throughout his childhood to TJ prep. I did not suggest nor would I have suggested such a schedule as we have other priorities as a family on Saturdays and I don't attach any importance to TJ admission in my child's life.

Fine. You had other "priorities" like soccer or something? Don't hate on families that make school and success at school a priority just because it isn't a priority for you.

DP - the idea that 10-13 year old kids should have one priority and one alone outside of their family is destructive and damaging. Frankly, the same can be said to a lesser extent of 14-17 year old kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While I think it's shifty that the prep class was considered a south asian "secret" (were other ethnic groups accepted/afforded opportunity to attend? is that legal?) I know for certain my white kid would also have been successful at getting accepted at TJ had he gone to school every saturday throughout his childhood to TJ prep. I did not suggest nor would I have suggested such a schedule as we have other priorities as a family on Saturdays and I don't attach any importance to TJ admission in my child's life.

Fine. You had other "priorities" like soccer or something? Don't hate on families that make school and success at school a priority just because it isn't a priority for you.

DP - the idea that 10-13 year old kids should have one priority and one alone outside of their family is destructive and damaging. Frankly, the same can be said to a lesser extent of 14-17 year old kids.

No one said it was there one priority. I see though - if a white parent has their kid swimming six days a week and travelling all over the East Coast for swim meets, that is OK with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While I think it's shifty that the prep class was considered a south asian "secret" (were other ethnic groups accepted/afforded opportunity to attend? is that legal?) I know for certain my white kid would also have been successful at getting accepted at TJ had he gone to school every saturday throughout his childhood to TJ prep. I did not suggest nor would I have suggested such a schedule as we have other priorities as a family on Saturdays and I don't attach any importance to TJ admission in my child's life.

Fine. You had other "priorities" like soccer or something? Don't hate on families that make school and success at school a priority just because it isn't a priority for you.

DP - the idea that 10-13 year old kids should have one priority and one alone outside of their family is destructive and damaging. Frankly, the same can be said to a lesser extent of 14-17 year old kids.

No one said it was there one priority. I see though - if a white parent has their kid swimming six days a week and travelling all over the East Coast for swim meets, that is OK with you.

I don't think I said anywhere that that was okay.

[Anonymous]

Why are people hating on a guy for saying he didn't think TJ was that important to spend Saturday mornings for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are people hating on a guy for saying he didn't think TJ was that important to spend Saturday mornings for years.

Because he said his kid would have been successful getting in if he did. It's insulting to think that kids that prep would not have gotten in otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people hating on a guy for saying he didn't think TJ was that important to spend Saturday mornings for years.

Because he said his kid would have been successful getting in if he did. It's insulting to think that kids that prep would not have gotten in otherwise.

If they would have gotten in otherwise, it’s a waste of resources.

It literally only makes sense to prep if you are trying to change your status from “not offered” to “offered”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people hating on a guy for saying he didn't think TJ was that important to spend Saturday mornings for years.

Because he said his kid would have been successful getting in if he did. It's insulting to think that kids that prep would not have gotten in otherwise.

If they would have gotten in otherwise, it’s a waste of resources.

It literally only makes sense to prep if you are trying to change your status from “not offered” to “offered”.

Bull crap. Sometimes you just want to prepare as best you can. Clearly, you are one of those bitter parents whose little Larlo didn't get in so you make excuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people hating on a guy for saying he didn't think TJ was that important to spend Saturday mornings for years.

Because he said his kid would have been successful getting in if he did. It's insulting to think that kids that prep would not have gotten in otherwise.

If they would have gotten in otherwise, it’s a waste of resources.

It literally only makes sense to prep if you are trying to change your status from “not offered” to “offered”.

What? So you are saying that any kid that took a prep class would not have gotten in otherwise? PP is right, you are just bitter because your kid couldn't make the cut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people hating on a guy for saying he didn't think TJ was that important to spend Saturday mornings for years.

Because he said his kid would have been successful getting in if he did. It's insulting to think that kids that prep would not have gotten in otherwise.

If they would have gotten in otherwise, it’s a waste of resources.

It literally only makes sense to prep if you are trying to change your status from “not offered” to “offered”.

Bull crap. Sometimes you just want to prepare as best you can. Clearly, you are one of those bitter parents whose little Larlo didn't get in so you make excuses.

1) I have no kids

2) I clearly struck a nerve there

Prep does one of two things:

1) gets kids in who otherwise wouldn’t

2) is of no impact with respect to the admissions process

It’s literally no more complicated than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people hating on a guy for saying he didn't think TJ was that important to spend Saturday mornings for years.

Because he said his kid would have been successful getting in if he did. It's insulting to think that kids that prep would not have gotten in otherwise.

If they would have gotten in otherwise, it’s a waste of resources.

It literally only makes sense to prep if you are trying to change your status from “not offered” to “offered”.

What? So you are saying that any kid that took a prep class would not have gotten in otherwise? PP is right, you are just bitter because your kid couldn't make the cut.

No. What I’m saying is that when you do the TJ prep thing, there are one of three possibilities:

1) you don’t get in (waste of time/resources)
2) you get in, but you would have anyway (waste of time/resources)
3) you get in when you wouldn’t have otherwise (likely not the best candidate)

This logic only applies to standardized tests because THEY HAVE NO OTHER APPLICATION IN THE REAL WORLD EXCEPT FOR GETTING INTO SCHOOLS.

It doesn’t apply to sports or music, because in those endeavors the preparation is actually applicable beyond the tryout process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people hating on a guy for saying he didn't think TJ was that important to spend Saturday mornings for years.

Because he said his kid would have been successful getting in if he did. It's insulting to think that kids that prep would not have gotten in otherwise.

But the PP didnt say that. PP said his/her kid *could have* gotten in if kid had spent Saturdays prepping. Not that your kid would NOT have gotten in if he/she had not prepped!
The point is—they didn’t start at the same baseline so don’t know!—and we never will. Is your kid academically gifted on his/her own? Maybe. Is PP’s kid? Maybe. But since PPs kid was up against a pool of kids who prepped every Saturday, and PP’s kid did not prep every Saturday, we’ll never know if a) your kid could have best out PP’s kid without Saturday prep OR b) your kid could have best out PPs kid if they BOTH had Saturday prep???

The point is, they weren’t judged from the same starting point.

You made decisions to position your kid to have the best possible advantage through prepping. And good for you. But do you see how PP might feel like that’s not really a measure of your child’s giftedness?

I mean ....my DD qualified to take Algebra in 7th grade without prep. He good friend took weekend classes for 4 months to prep for the IAAT. I told my DD we weren’t doing that. Because in my view, if you need to take a 6-month weekend class to prepare for the test that determines whether you are “ready” for algebra then you may as well just spend the next school year taking algebra bc what’s the difference??