Discrimination against Asians

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So tired of white people speaking for the poor Black oppressed. I think Black people are capable and able to self determine what they need as individuals and don't need white people virtue signaling on their behalf.
Oh, of course, by all means put the BLM sign on the lawn, that helps a lot. It impresses the domestic help when they come through the neighborhood.
Don't come on a thread about Asian american discrimination and lecture us on how good we have it.
It's reeks of colonialism. Remember those days?

To add on to this.

Anybody who is not Asian and is talking stupid only needs to look at the LA riots and what happened to Koreatown. The whites allowed Koreatown to burn because they forced the police to put a blockade between Beverly Hills/West Hollywood and Koreatown. The Rodney King beating and trial was a black-white issue but the white media made it out to seem that blacks left South Central to go after Koreans because of racial tension. Blacks weren't looking to stop at Koreatown for a free bite to eat and a new wardrobe - they were trying to get to Rodeo Drive but were prevented from doing so by the police, who were told to "stand back and stand by" so that blacks could get it out of their system. Koreans were collateral damage and many of these businesses were uninsured with life savings put into it in order to make enough to send their kids to a good college. After the riots, Koreans were vilified (guns on roofs) so white people could escape the blame. An entire community was destroyed but there was no FEMA or Kickstarter, etc; no Feed the World or Imagine. The Korean community pulled together and helped each other. in times of distress, white people like to scream for subsidies and emergency assistance and URM like to ask for some type of public welfare. Asians only try to suffer through this generation so the next one can prosper. When you speak of "rich" Asians, you're talking about a lot of blue collar types that work 14 hours a day and don't have extended family to lean on during hard times. Taking away merit based admissions to any competitive school is basically the only thing that Asians can definitively lean on. And this is earning a spot. not being given one.

How utterly wretched, then, must be the lives of the 90% of the Asian kids who don’t end up at a competitive magnet school. You should probably all just end it now because the odds were stacked so heavily against you and now it’s going to be even worse. No one else has ever had to suffer like you.

well... definitely not white people. did i leave anyone else out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People saying there is no discrimination towards Asians are crazy.

Look at your television screen and name two people that are Asian that you know that have held leads in a show.

Look at firm/company/government institution and see if there are any Asians in the top management bracket.

Look at important political positions, various appointees in government, etc.

Then search the internet to see why it is.


People saying there is no discrimination towards Asians in this TJ debacle are crazy too.

The lottery itself is projected to significantly reduce the Asian percentage by 25 to 40 percentage points. 40! That is ethnic cleansing.

Why all the fuss about prepping? This is just one element. The Asians are coming in with 4.0 GPAs (the average is actually 3.96 and that means the vast majority are straight A students). They just might be just this: hard working individuals, in many cases gifted.

What if different families have different priorities? Unless you are filthy rich (Whites are the wealthiest people in this region/country by the way), you can only spend so much. Many families are sacrificing vacation, fancy cars, and other endeavors like sports, arts, and other expensive pursuits (like baseball games) for this. Who are you to place value on which is more rewarding or relevant for the kids' families' futures?

Our kids went to a prep center and took a mock test. They scored so high, the prep center said please go and keep doing what you have been doing. Khan academy. So they continue to work on problems on their own free time. Every time they get something right, there is a ding-ding-ding, which populates our house during the weekends. It is all free. The noises are annoying though.

If you want to help URMs, start early. By the time the kids are in 8th grade, a great divide has already developed. Which URM parent will want to send their kids unprepared compared to others? Even if there is an incredible remedial program, which family will want to put their kids through it, commuting hours a day, if there is uncertainty regarding whether the remedial program will work, whether their kids will continue to struggle all the way to college application time?

The whole lottery is a joke. No data. They are only going by anecdotes. No private firm or public institution would act upon such limited information. Only FCPS.

Because they think this will improve racial numbers at a school. Will it improve their lives? Are they certain? Or will it be sort of like...a lottery. A game of chance with their lives?

Also, for those who think that TJHSST is toxic, so they think it needs to be blown up. Just google "TJHSST" and "LinkedIn" or "CV" or "resume" together. You will see many kids, students, and professionals, working hard at amazing things to improve our society. This is actual data.

There are helicopter parents out there, who force the kids to do stuff. No denying that. With the lottery, how many will there be that applies just for the heck of it, without passion for STEM, without the academic aptitude? Who knows?

There still may be helicopter families there too, but more likely without the smarts and giftedness to persevere - because the cost to applying is so low (zero in fact).

Again, you may not end up changing the so-called culture at all. TJ may be even more populated with miserable kids; those who struggle at school + those with helicopter parents without the drive and aptitude.

+ 1,000,000,000

[Anonymous]

This is about preferences. Asian American parents are much, much more likely to prefer their children study math and science and attend brand-name colleges. These preferences may come from their home countries or from pressure from their parents or simply their tradition. It is certainly possible that children of other races do not have the same opportunities to go to cram schools, but it is definitely also true that their parents usually have different preferences.

To everyone who has pointed out that Asian Americans are underrepresented as executives, legislators, teachers, and community leaders, please consider whether their parents actively discouraged them from pursuing those fields.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People saying there is no discrimination towards Asians are crazy.

Look at your television screen and name two people that are Asian that you know that have held leads in a show.

Look at firm/company/government institution and see if there are any Asians in the top management bracket.

Look at important political positions, various appointees in government, etc.

Then search the internet to see why it is.


People saying there is no discrimination towards Asians in this TJ debacle are crazy too.

The lottery itself is projected to significantly reduce the Asian percentage by 25 to 40 percentage points. 40! That is ethnic cleansing.

Why all the fuss about prepping? This is just one element. The Asians are coming in with 4.0 GPAs (the average is actually 3.96 and that means the vast majority are straight A students). They just might be just this: hard working individuals, in many cases gifted.

What if different families have different priorities? Unless you are filthy rich (Whites are the wealthiest people in this region/country by the way), you can only spend so much. Many families are sacrificing vacation, fancy cars, and other endeavors like sports, arts, and other expensive pursuits (like baseball games) for this. Who are you to place value on which is more rewarding or relevant for the kids' families' futures?

Our kids went to a prep center and took a mock test. They scored so high, the prep center said please go and keep doing what you have been doing. Khan academy. So they continue to work on problems on their own free time. Every time they get something right, there is a ding-ding-ding, which populates our house during the weekends. It is all free. The noises are annoying though.

If you want to help URMs, start early. By the time the kids are in 8th grade, a great divide has already developed. Which URM parent will want to send their kids unprepared compared to others? Even if there is an incredible remedial program, which family will want to put their kids through it, commuting hours a day, if there is uncertainty regarding whether the remedial program will work, whether their kids will continue to struggle all the way to college application time?

The whole lottery is a joke. No data. They are only going by anecdotes. No private firm or public institution would act upon such limited information. Only FCPS.

Because they think this will improve racial numbers at a school. Will it improve their lives? Are they certain? Or will it be sort of like...a lottery. A game of chance with their lives?

Also, for those who think that TJHSST is toxic, so they think it needs to be blown up. Just google "TJHSST" and "LinkedIn" or "CV" or "resume" together. You will see many kids, students, and professionals, working hard at amazing things to improve our society. This is actual data.

There are helicopter parents out there, who force the kids to do stuff. No denying that. With the lottery, how many will there be that applies just for the heck of it, without passion for STEM, without the academic aptitude? Who knows?

There still may be helicopter families there too, but more likely without the smarts and giftedness to persevere - because the cost to applying is so low (zero in fact).

Again, you may not end up changing the so-called culture at all. TJ may be even more populated with miserable kids; those who struggle at school + those with helicopter parents without the drive and aptitude.

+ 1,000,000,000

The toxicity of the TJ community has been abundantly on display, especially since the lottery proposal was announced.

Students admitted under a lottery system are more likely to be diverse and to display some humility, a quality sorely lacking at TJ today.

[Anonymous]

I am not Asian, but I can certainly see the point. Being penalized for being too successful, working too hard, and being too driven and thus outperforming other demographics is hard to accept. Especially, when it isn't framed as "you are too successful so we are going to give others a fighting chance" but rather "you create a toxic culture that must be tamped down." In most situations, this level of effort and success is celebrated and admired, but not educational opportunities when it comes to Asians. Again, I can understand their frustration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People saying there is no discrimination towards Asians are crazy.

Look at your television screen and name two people that are Asian that you know that have held leads in a show.

Look at firm/company/government institution and see if there are any Asians in the top management bracket.

Look at important political positions, various appointees in government, etc.

Then search the internet to see why it is.


People saying there is no discrimination towards Asians in this TJ debacle are crazy too.

The lottery itself is projected to significantly reduce the Asian percentage by 25 to 40 percentage points. 40! That is ethnic cleansing.

Why all the fuss about prepping? This is just one element. The Asians are coming in with 4.0 GPAs (the average is actually 3.96 and that means the vast majority are straight A students). They just might be just this: hard working individuals, in many cases gifted.

What if different families have different priorities? Unless you are filthy rich (Whites are the wealthiest people in this region/country by the way), you can only spend so much. Many families are sacrificing vacation, fancy cars, and other endeavors like sports, arts, and other expensive pursuits (like baseball games) for this. Who are you to place value on which is more rewarding or relevant for the kids' families' futures?

Our kids went to a prep center and took a mock test. They scored so high, the prep center said please go and keep doing what you have been doing. Khan academy. So they continue to work on problems on their own free time. Every time they get something right, there is a ding-ding-ding, which populates our house during the weekends. It is all free. The noises are annoying though.

If you want to help URMs, start early. By the time the kids are in 8th grade, a great divide has already developed. Which URM parent will want to send their kids unprepared compared to others? Even if there is an incredible remedial program, which family will want to put their kids through it, commuting hours a day, if there is uncertainty regarding whether the remedial program will work, whether their kids will continue to struggle all the way to college application time?

The whole lottery is a joke. No data. They are only going by anecdotes. No private firm or public institution would act upon such limited information. Only FCPS.

Because they think this will improve racial numbers at a school. Will it improve their lives? Are they certain? Or will it be sort of like...a lottery. A game of chance with their lives?

Also, for those who think that TJHSST is toxic, so they think it needs to be blown up. Just google "TJHSST" and "LinkedIn" or "CV" or "resume" together. You will see many kids, students, and professionals, working hard at amazing things to improve our society. This is actual data.

There are helicopter parents out there, who force the kids to do stuff. No denying that. With the lottery, how many will there be that applies just for the heck of it, without passion for STEM, without the academic aptitude? Who knows?

There still may be helicopter families there too, but more likely without the smarts and giftedness to persevere - because the cost to applying is so low (zero in fact).

Again, you may not end up changing the so-called culture at all. TJ may be even more populated with miserable kids; those who struggle at school + those with helicopter parents without the drive and aptitude.

+ 1,000,000,000

The toxicity of the TJ community has been abundantly on display, especially since the lottery proposal was announced.

Students admitted under a lottery system are more likely to be diverse and to display some humility, a quality sorely lacking at TJ today.

Humility? Stop pointing your finger at nonwhite people. White people are the reason why the country is so divided and you have the balls to then tell other people how to live in your world? Have you read the news lately hon? It's not your world anymore. You wouldn't give an inch on BLM before George Floyd and you lost a mile. You're used to Asians being your invisible friend but you turned the younger, more educated ones into activists - and guess what? They've studied and gone to better schools than you and your kids so they're smarter than you. Learn from your mistakes and stick a fork in it because the post-colonial Eurocentric world is done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People saying there is no discrimination towards Asians are crazy.

Look at your television screen and name two people that are Asian that you know that have held leads in a show.

Look at firm/company/government institution and see if there are any Asians in the top management bracket.

Look at important political positions, various appointees in government, etc.

Then search the internet to see why it is.


People saying there is no discrimination towards Asians in this TJ debacle are crazy too.

The lottery itself is projected to significantly reduce the Asian percentage by 25 to 40 percentage points. 40! That is ethnic cleansing.

Why all the fuss about prepping? This is just one element. The Asians are coming in with 4.0 GPAs (the average is actually 3.96 and that means the vast majority are straight A students). They just might be just this: hard working individuals, in many cases gifted.

What if different families have different priorities? Unless you are filthy rich (Whites are the wealthiest people in this region/country by the way), you can only spend so much. Many families are sacrificing vacation, fancy cars, and other endeavors like sports, arts, and other expensive pursuits (like baseball games) for this. Who are you to place value on which is more rewarding or relevant for the kids' families' futures?

Our kids went to a prep center and took a mock test. They scored so high, the prep center said please go and keep doing what you have been doing. Khan academy. So they continue to work on problems on their own free time. Every time they get something right, there is a ding-ding-ding, which populates our house during the weekends. It is all free. The noises are annoying though.

If you want to help URMs, start early. By the time the kids are in 8th grade, a great divide has already developed. Which URM parent will want to send their kids unprepared compared to others? Even if there is an incredible remedial program, which family will want to put their kids through it, commuting hours a day, if there is uncertainty regarding whether the remedial program will work, whether their kids will continue to struggle all the way to college application time?

The whole lottery is a joke. No data. They are only going by anecdotes. No private firm or public institution would act upon such limited information. Only FCPS.

Because they think this will improve racial numbers at a school. Will it improve their lives? Are they certain? Or will it be sort of like...a lottery. A game of chance with their lives?

Also, for those who think that TJHSST is toxic, so they think it needs to be blown up. Just google "TJHSST" and "LinkedIn" or "CV" or "resume" together. You will see many kids, students, and professionals, working hard at amazing things to improve our society. This is actual data.

There are helicopter parents out there, who force the kids to do stuff. No denying that. With the lottery, how many will there be that applies just for the heck of it, without passion for STEM, without the academic aptitude? Who knows?

There still may be helicopter families there too, but more likely without the smarts and giftedness to persevere - because the cost to applying is so low (zero in fact).

Again, you may not end up changing the so-called culture at all. TJ may be even more populated with miserable kids; those who struggle at school + those with helicopter parents without the drive and aptitude.

+ 1,000,000,000

The toxicity of the TJ community has been abundantly on display, especially since the lottery proposal was announced.

Students admitted under a lottery system are more likely to be diverse and to display some humility, a quality sorely lacking at TJ today.

Humility? Stop pointing your finger at nonwhite people. White people are the reason why the country is so divided and you have the balls to then tell other people how to live in your world? Have you read the news lately hon? It's not your world anymore. You wouldn't give an inch on BLM before George Floyd and you lost a mile. You're used to Asians being your invisible friend but you turned the younger, more educated ones into activists - and guess what? They've studied and gone to better schools than you and your kids so they're smarter than you. Learn from your mistakes and stick a fork in it because the post-colonial Eurocentric world is done.

Again, see how gracefully you handle a situation when you don't get exactly what you want.

I hope dashing off that diatribe made you feel better for a moment, but the School Board is going to address the toxic culture you created within FCPS and at TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People saying there is no discrimination towards Asians are crazy.

Look at your television screen and name two people that are Asian that you know that have held leads in a show.

Look at firm/company/government institution and see if there are any Asians in the top management bracket.

Look at important political positions, various appointees in government, etc.

Then search the internet to see why it is.


People saying there is no discrimination towards Asians in this TJ debacle are crazy too.

The lottery itself is projected to significantly reduce the Asian percentage by 25 to 40 percentage points. 40! That is ethnic cleansing.

Why all the fuss about prepping? This is just one element. The Asians are coming in with 4.0 GPAs (the average is actually 3.96 and that means the vast majority are straight A students). They just might be just this: hard working individuals, in many cases gifted.

What if different families have different priorities? Unless you are filthy rich (Whites are the wealthiest people in this region/country by the way), you can only spend so much. Many families are sacrificing vacation, fancy cars, and other endeavors like sports, arts, and other expensive pursuits (like baseball games) for this. Who are you to place value on which is more rewarding or relevant for the kids' families' futures?

Our kids went to a prep center and took a mock test. They scored so high, the prep center said please go and keep doing what you have been doing. Khan academy. So they continue to work on problems on their own free time. Every time they get something right, there is a ding-ding-ding, which populates our house during the weekends. It is all free. The noises are annoying though.

If you want to help URMs, start early. By the time the kids are in 8th grade, a great divide has already developed. Which URM parent will want to send their kids unprepared compared to others? Even if there is an incredible remedial program, which family will want to put their kids through it, commuting hours a day, if there is uncertainty regarding whether the remedial program will work, whether their kids will continue to struggle all the way to college application time?

The whole lottery is a joke. No data. They are only going by anecdotes. No private firm or public institution would act upon such limited information. Only FCPS.

Because they think this will improve racial numbers at a school. Will it improve their lives? Are they certain? Or will it be sort of like...a lottery. A game of chance with their lives?

Also, for those who think that TJHSST is toxic, so they think it needs to be blown up. Just google "TJHSST" and "LinkedIn" or "CV" or "resume" together. You will see many kids, students, and professionals, working hard at amazing things to improve our society. This is actual data.

There are helicopter parents out there, who force the kids to do stuff. No denying that. With the lottery, how many will there be that applies just for the heck of it, without passion for STEM, without the academic aptitude? Who knows?

There still may be helicopter families there too, but more likely without the smarts and giftedness to persevere - because the cost to applying is so low (zero in fact).

Again, you may not end up changing the so-called culture at all. TJ may be even more populated with miserable kids; those who struggle at school + those with helicopter parents without the drive and aptitude.

+ 1,000,000,000

The toxicity of the TJ community has been abundantly on display, especially since the lottery proposal was announced.

Students admitted under a lottery system are more likely to be diverse and to display some humility, a quality sorely lacking at TJ today.

Humility? Stop pointing your finger at nonwhite people. White people are the reason why the country is so divided and you have the balls to then tell other people how to live in your world? Have you read the news lately hon? It's not your world anymore. You wouldn't give an inch on BLM before George Floyd and you lost a mile. You're used to Asians being your invisible friend but you turned the younger, more educated ones into activists - and guess what? They've studied and gone to better schools than you and your kids so they're smarter than you. Learn from your mistakes and stick a fork in it because the post-colonial Eurocentric world is done.

Again, see how gracefully you handle a situation when you don't get exactly what you want.

I hope dashing off that diatribe made you feel better for a moment, but the School Board is going to address the toxic culture you created within FCPS and at TJ.

This is quite graceful. Didn't have to use dogs, firehoses, or stand your ground to back up my arguments because you no longer matter, Karen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not Asian, but I can certainly see the point. Being penalized for being too successful, working too hard, and being too driven and thus outperforming other demographics is hard to accept. Especially, when it isn't framed as "you are too successful so we are going to give others a fighting chance" but rather "you create a toxic culture that must be tamped down." In most situations, this level of effort and success is celebrated and admired, but not educational opportunities when it comes to Asians. Again, I can understand their frustration.

This. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is about preferences. Asian American parents are much, much more likely to prefer their children study math and science and attend brand-name colleges. These preferences may come from their home countries or from pressure from their parents or simply their tradition. It is certainly possible that children of other races do not have the same opportunities to go to cram schools, but it is definitely also true that their parents usually have different preferences.

To everyone who has pointed out that Asian Americans are underrepresented as executives, legislators, teachers, and community leaders, please consider whether their parents actively discouraged them from pursuing those fields.

I cant speak for other cultures, but for Mainland Chinese, there is a culture against operating businesses since the merchant class is viewed as being among the lowest rung on the social ladder. Being a government official have traditionally been among the most revered profession, but the instability of China politics, especially through the cultural revolution and Xi's efforts against his political enemies, have turned off a lot of people to being engaged in politics. Another critical factor is lack of religious belief, with widespread athiesm among Chinese population. Forces of past and present have resulted in a near perfect storm where the rationality of science and math is attractive as means to a stable future in the technical field - like the trades and craftsmen of old, a class just below the government officials.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The toxicity of the TJ community has been abundantly on display, especially since the lottery proposal was announced.

Students admitted under a lottery system are more likely to be diverse and to display some humility, a quality sorely lacking at TJ today.

That's because you are a racist who defines diversity based on skin color. It's ironic you would accuse Asians of lacking humility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not Asian, but I can certainly see the point. Being penalized for being too successful, working too hard, and being too driven and thus outperforming other demographics is hard to accept. Especially, when it isn't framed as "you are too successful so we are going to give others a fighting chance" but rather "you create a toxic culture that must be tamped down." In most situations, this level of effort and success is celebrated and admired, but not educational opportunities when it comes to Asians. Again, I can understand their frustration.

This. Thank you.

I am Asian and my family lives a fugal life. We don't spend on luxuries and we don't spend time or money sending kids to after school academic tutoring/enrichment centers. We don't cheat or steal or break any laws. We have never expected handouts or helps from the governments. My kid works hard and she tested in with her own merits. This past few months reading all these threads regarding the hate people have towards Asian is just unreal, and frankly very disappointing. It tells me that hardworking Asian will not be welcomed in this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The toxicity of the TJ community has been abundantly on display, especially since the lottery proposal was announced.

Students admitted under a lottery system are more likely to be diverse and to display some humility, a quality sorely lacking at TJ today.

I do not send kids to TJ. However, I have worked with many kids from TJ both as high school students, college students, and even PhD students from the Ivies and MIT. They are far more diverse, considerate, and intelligent than you are.

Your assumption that lottery will bring in more diversity and humility is offensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not Asian, but I can certainly see the point. Being penalized for being too successful, working too hard, and being too driven and thus outperforming other demographics is hard to accept. Especially, when it isn't framed as "you are too successful so we are going to give others a fighting chance" but rather "you create a toxic culture that must be tamped down." In most situations, this level of effort and success is celebrated and admired, but not educational opportunities when it comes to Asians. Again, I can understand their frustration.

True, this can happen mostly because Asian Americans are still a small minority and as a group tend not to fight back. Their historic suffering doesn’t come into many’s mind, and their success is deemed as a privilege.

[Anonymous]

"How utterly wretched, then, must be the lives of the 90% of the Asian kids who don’t end up at a competitive magnet school. You should probably all just end it now because the odds were stacked so heavily against you and now it’s going to be even worse. No one else has ever had to suffer like you."

Umm, why are you posting here? What's the point other than to troll?
What's it to you whether or not AA feel they are discriminated against?
You have nothing else to do but read a thread by and for AAs?