Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the FCPS actual request for a stay? Would be interested to read what their legal arguments are.

https://www.ffxnow.com/files/2022/03/FCPS-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-to-Stay-Pending-Appeal.pdf

They actually have a valid argument here.

Rehashing of old arguments. Nothing new. The request for stay will be denied.

You have to file a stay request in district court in order to file a motion for stay pending appeal in the court of appeals. I think the arguments in favor of a stay are very strong, but Hilton will likely deny it (because he has already ruled against them). But having now checked the box with a district court stay filing, they can file a motion for a stay in CA4.

Arguments in favor of a stay is strong? How so? You don't let a bank robber get away with robbing a bank just because they've already loaded the money into their car and is not at the moment robbing the bank. The stolen money is the loot. The current admissions decisions are the result of racist policies - they must be redone.

No one is entitled to those seats. They weren't "stolen".

They were pilfered.

They were given to qualified applicants from across the county. Not just a pocket of wealthy middle schools.

Only if you define "qualified" as "admitted to TJ". The board was quite explicit in its desire to promote less-qualified students.

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Investment has to be made to low income pre - k, elementary and middle schools the the kids there can genuinely compete with privileged peers on merit.

Why can’t FCPS make free high quality TJ test prep mandatory in all of its middle schools. Why can’t all kids in social housing neighbourhoods have a free cram school walking distance from them ?

This will never happen. Generally speaking, a well-educated child requires both a supportive education system as well as a supportive home environment. There are students who do well despite missing one of these conditions but those are the exceptions and not the rule. No amount of money we throw into schools and other support will make up for a home environment that is not focused on the child's education. In this regard, we as a society should focus far more on fighting against the things that are destroying the nuclear family unit, which is by far the most successful at providing a supportive family environment to a child's education. This means criminal justice reform and celebrating stable dual-parent culture (any sex/gender).

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Anonymous wrote:Y’all making it sound like the only thing fcps did wrong was the lack of communication with the community. That’s the least of it. Trying to down play the fact that they’re racist and unconstitutional won’t make this process look an ounce more justified.
We’ll not stop here.

+1, they communicated. They told us exactly what they were going to do and why they wanted to do it.

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Investment has to be made to low income pre - k, elementary and middle schools the the kids there can genuinely compete with privileged peers on merit.

Why can’t FCPS make free high quality TJ test prep mandatory in all of its middle schools. Why can’t all kids in social housing neighbourhoods have a free cram school walking distance from them ?

Because the true intention of the liberals is not about education. Their true intention is identity politics. Always has been and always will be.

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Investment has to be made to low income pre - k, elementary and middle schools the the kids there can genuinely compete with privileged peers on merit.

Why can’t FCPS make free high quality TJ test prep mandatory in all of its middle schools. Why can’t all kids in social housing neighbourhoods have a free cram school walking distance from them ?

Because the true intention of the liberals is not about education. Their true intention is identity politics. Always has been and always will be.

Aren't you supposed to be riding shotgun in a trucker convoy this morning instead of blathering nonsense that you heard on Fox News?

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Anonymous wrote:
Investment has to be made to low income pre - k, elementary and middle schools the the kids there can genuinely compete with privileged peers on merit.

Why can’t FCPS make free high quality TJ test prep mandatory in all of its middle schools. Why can’t all kids in social housing neighbourhoods have a free cram school walking distance from them ?

Because the true intention of the liberals is not about education. Their true intention is identity politics. Always has been and always will be.

I thought liberal elites were all so educated, woke and all about educating the conservative deplorable uneducated hicks in flyover states. Now the deplorable hicks are all about education????

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Anonymous wrote:
Investment has to be made to low income pre - k, elementary and middle schools the the kids there can genuinely compete with privileged peers on merit.

Why can’t FCPS make free high quality TJ test prep mandatory in all of its middle schools. Why can’t all kids in social housing neighbourhoods have a free cram school walking distance from them ?

Because the true intention of the liberals is not about education. Their true intention is identity politics. Always has been and always will be.

Aren't you supposed to be riding shotgun in a trucker convoy this morning instead of blathering nonsense that you heard on Fox News?

Says a proud racist?

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Anonymous wrote:The have hat has not been moved from the ultra wealthy communities to economically disadvantaged ones. The top TJ feeders like Carson and Rocky Run are still getting tons of kids in. Now schools that rarely got any one in, Poe/Glasgow/Whitman/whoever, are also assured a solid chunk of seats.

Which communities lost out? Middle class. Rich never give from themselves to low income. Frost went from something like 25 seats to 9, which is probably only the 1.5% they are required to get.

Not sure exactly how it impacted different schools but Elaine Tholen admitted to the McLean PTSA that the school, already overcrowded, picked up 20-30 additional freshmen from Longfellow last fall due to the TJ admissions changes.

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Investment has to be made to low income pre - k, elementary and middle schools the the kids there can genuinely compete with privileged peers on merit.

Why can’t FCPS make free high quality TJ test prep mandatory in all of its middle schools. Why can’t all kids in social housing neighbourhoods have a free cram school walking distance from them ?

.... this is a joke, right? Who's going to pay for it? You're going to raise taxes to build and pay for free Curie-level prep in these neighborhoods?

And if it's genuinely of the same quality as the boutique item, aren't the wealthy families just going to save a buck and load their kids in there instead? And if it isn't of the same quality, are we really doing anything worthwhile?

These are a lot of hoops to jump through when the industry best practice is already to eliminate standardized tests because of their disparate impact.

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Anonymous wrote:The have hat has not been moved from the ultra wealthy communities to economically disadvantaged ones. The top TJ feeders like Carson and Rocky Run are still getting tons of kids in. Now schools that rarely got any one in, Poe/Glasgow/Whitman/whoever, are also assured a solid chunk of seats.

Which communities lost out? Middle class. Rich never give from themselves to low income. Frost went from something like 25 seats to 9, which is probably only the 1.5% they are required to get.

Frost has never gotten close to 25 seats at TJ. They average about 12-15 per year.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the FCPS actual request for a stay? Would be interested to read what their legal arguments are.

https://www.ffxnow.com/files/2022/03/FCPS-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-to-Stay-Pending-Appeal.pdf

They actually have a valid argument here.

Rehashing of old arguments. Nothing new. The request for stay will be denied.

You have to file a stay request in district court in order to file a motion for stay pending appeal in the court of appeals. I think the arguments in favor of a stay are very strong, but Hilton will likely deny it (because he has already ruled against them). But having now checked the box with a district court stay filing, they can file a motion for a stay in CA4.

Arguments in favor of a stay is strong? How so? You don't let a bank robber get away with robbing a bank just because they've already loaded the money into their car and is not at the moment robbing the bank. The stolen money is the loot. The current admissions decisions are the result of racist policies - they must be redone.

No one is entitled to those seats. They weren't "stolen".

They were pilfered.

They were given to qualified applicants from across the county. Not just a pocket of wealthy middle schools.

Most wealthy Asian parents don't care about TJ. We can send out kids to private or our kids can't cut it at TJ - either not smart or hard-working enough. They will still do fine. It is the middle-income folks (including Asians) who care. They teach their kids to put their head down and work. And FCPS punished them for it. In the most shameful way. Thank god the judge saw through the racist bullshit.

TJ is the 2nd wealthiest school in FCPS. Plenty of wealthy parents care deeply about TJ.

Go look at Asra’s house and tell me wealthy Asian parents don’t care about TJ.

The middle income families are angry - BUT THEY’RE HELPED BY THE NEW PROCESS.

+1000 this is true!!! When you limit the ability of wealthy families to drop $5K on boutique exam prep, you help middle class families of ALL races.

And before you come at me with “Curie still got 90 kids in”, do the math.

2024: 133/486 = 27.37%
2025: 90/550 = 16.36%

That’s a HUGE difference.

What you are missing is that the new process penalizes kids that never prepped. They just happen to live in a wealthy area and that is being held against them. In doing your perfect “math”, you treat that innocent non-prepped kid as collateral damage. Bravo! That is a kid whose aspirations were dashed by cynical folks like you. What is roadkill for you is somebody’s child.

The prep industry and those that leveraged them are no good but neither are you for defending the new process that is equally inequitable. The School board could have done better and there was no hurry. But bravo

Or it gives kids at Rachel Carson who didn't prep a fighting chance against the kids who did.

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Anonymous wrote:The have hat has not been moved from the ultra wealthy communities to economically disadvantaged ones. The top TJ feeders like Carson and Rocky Run are still getting tons of kids in. Now schools that rarely got any one in, Poe/Glasgow/Whitman/whoever, are also assured a solid chunk of seats.

Which communities lost out? Middle class. Rich never give from themselves to low income. Frost went from something like 25 seats to 9, which is probably only the 1.5% they are required to get.

Not sure exactly how it impacted different schools but Elaine Tholen admitted to the McLean PTSA that the school, already overcrowded, picked up 20-30 additional freshmen from Longfellow last fall due to the TJ admissions changes.

That would surprise me. Longfellow is one of the center schools in FCPS where not getting into TJ frequently means private for high school.

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Anonymous wrote:
Investment has to be made to low income pre - k, elementary and middle schools the the kids there can genuinely compete with privileged peers on merit.

Why can’t FCPS make free high quality TJ test prep mandatory in all of its middle schools. Why can’t all kids in social housing neighbourhoods have a free cram school walking distance from them ?

This will never happen. Generally speaking, a well-educated child requires both a supportive education system as well as a supportive home environment. There are students who do well despite missing one of these conditions but those are the exceptions and not the rule. No amount of money we throw into schools and other support will make up for a home environment that is not focused on the child's education. In this regard, we as a society should focus far more on fighting against the things that are destroying the nuclear family unit, which is by far the most successful at providing a supportive family environment to a child's education. This means criminal justice reform and celebrating stable dual-parent culture (any sex/gender).

So in the years where 1% of TJ was black the thousands of other black family in the area don’t support education at home? That’s baloney.

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Anonymous wrote:The have hat has not been moved from the ultra wealthy communities to economically disadvantaged ones. The top TJ feeders like Carson and Rocky Run are still getting tons of kids in. Now schools that rarely got any one in, Poe/Glasgow/Whitman/whoever, are also assured a solid chunk of seats.

Which communities lost out? Middle class. Rich never give from themselves to low income. Frost went from something like 25 seats to 9, which is probably only the 1.5% they are required to get.

Not sure exactly how it impacted different schools but Elaine Tholen admitted to the McLean PTSA that the school, already overcrowded, picked up 20-30 additional freshmen from Longfellow last fall due to the TJ admissions changes.

That would surprise me. Longfellow is one of the center schools in FCPS where not getting into TJ frequently means private for high school.

That was more the case when Longfellow still had AAP kids from the Langley pyramid. Those kids go to Cooper now.

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Anonymous wrote:
Investment has to be made to low income pre - k, elementary and middle schools the the kids there can genuinely compete with privileged peers on merit.

Why can’t FCPS make free high quality TJ test prep mandatory in all of its middle schools. Why can’t all kids in social housing neighbourhoods have a free cram school walking distance from them ?

This will never happen. Generally speaking, a well-educated child requires both a supportive education system as well as a supportive home environment. There are students who do well despite missing one of these conditions but those are the exceptions and not the rule. No amount of money we throw into schools and other support will make up for a home environment that is not focused on the child's education. In this regard, we as a society should focus far more on fighting against the things that are destroying the nuclear family unit, which is by far the most successful at providing a supportive family environment to a child's education. This means criminal justice reform and celebrating stable dual-parent culture (any sex/gender).

So in the years where 1% of TJ was black the thousands of other black family in the area don’t support education at home? That’s baloney.

+1000. It is possible - and many would argue preferable - for a family to be 100% supportive of education in the home environment without spending thousands of dollars in an attempt to optimize a student's candidacy for an admissions process.

It's wild to me that some can claim anti-Asian racism in one breath and then in the next pretend that they know that 99% of Black families care only about shoes and sports - and that somehow THAT isn't racist.