Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

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The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

Last page of amicus brief has the listing of Attorney Generals from 20 different states that are calling out this racial suppression of asian american students at FCPS. Appalling!

That's crazy! It's a race-blind process that selects mainly Asians. Even the biggest beneficiary of the changes were low-income Asian families.

I didn't realize the largest beneficiaries of the changes were Asians, but I'm glad the new process is more inclusive so students who aren't at the most affluent schools can still participate.

You and a squirrel frolicking under a tree could concoct tales, and revel in falsehood. However, those who read the amicus brief will note that Asian American student representation was reduced from 73% to 54% in just one admissions cycle.

What percentage of FCPS is Asian American?

The majority of students enrolled in advanced math and science courses across FCPS schools are Asian American. Any academic achievements that FCPS proudly highlights in their news releases, such as the recent one here (https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-students-continue-outperform-sat-state-and-global-averages), owe a significant debt to the dedication and hard work of Asian American students.

However, it's glaringly evident that FCPS is stifling the progress of this diligent Asian American student body, as demonstrated by the reduction in their representation at TJ.

This is why it's instructive to look at how Asian American applicants fared in the admissions process relative to students from other demographics. And they were more likely to receive an offer than students from any other demographic. The fact that they weren't likely enough to be admitted for your taste, or as likely as they were before the changes to the process, isn't a good argument.

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The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that
have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have
scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to
compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

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The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

Last page of amicus brief has the listing of Attorney Generals from 20 different states that are calling out this racial suppression of asian american students at FCPS. Appalling!

That's crazy! It's a race-blind process that selects mainly Asians. Even the biggest beneficiary of the changes were low-income Asian families.

I didn't realize the largest beneficiaries of the changes were Asians, but I'm glad the new process is more inclusive so students who aren't at the most affluent schools can still participate.

You and a squirrel frolicking under a tree could concoct tales, and revel in falsehood. However, those who read the amicus brief will note that Asian American student representation was reduced from 73% to 54% in just one admissions cycle.

What percentage of FCPS is Asian American?

The majority of students enrolled in advanced math and science courses across FCPS schools are Asian American. Any academic achievements that FCPS proudly highlights in their news releases, such as the recent one here (https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-students-continue-outperform-sat-state-and-global-averages), owe a significant debt to the dedication and hard work of Asian American students.

However, it's glaringly evident that FCPS is stifling the progress of this diligent Asian American student body, as demonstrated by the reduction in their representation at TJ.

This is why it's instructive to look at how Asian American applicants fared in the admissions process relative to students from other demographics. And they were more likely to receive an offer than students from any other demographic. The fact that they weren't likely enough to be admitted for your taste, or as likely as they were before the changes to the process, isn't a good argument.

Additionally, in the year prior to the admissions changes there were 1,116 applicants to the Class of 2024 who identified with a demographic other than Asian, while in the year following the changes there were 1,499 such applicants. The influx of non-Asian applicants (likely because of the removal of the application fee) probably had more to do with the fact that there were 56 fewer Asian American admittees year-over-year than anything else. It was a more competitive process.

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The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that
have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have
scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to
compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

Let's take a look at the three schools that would be theoretically most impacted by the changes to the admissions process.

Rocky Run MS - currently 58% non-Asian
Carson MS - currently 53% non-Asian
Longfellow MS - currently 71% non-Asian

You can't siphon that out into just the AAP programs either, because the school allocations impact all students from each respective school, not just the AAP kids. So it's fairly clear that more non-Asian students than Asian students were impacted by the changes to the admissions process.

I'll even give you some help - if you actually want to prove disparate impact, you'd be best served to get the demographic breakdowns of the students who were enrolled in at least Algebra 1 in 8th grade and had at least a 3.5 GPA at each middle school and show that there's a higher percentage of Asian students that fit those conditions than at other schools.

But I'd be willing to bet you, because of your assertion that Asians are by definition better at academics and more qualified than everyone else, that the percentage of students at EVERY ONE of those middle schools - even the worst of them - that fit those criteria are Asian. Which would torpedo the argument that the allocations disproportionately harmed Asians.

What did (probably) disproportionately harm Asians more than anything else was the removal of the exam. But you're going to have a really hard time making the case that that was the wrong thing to do.

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The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

Last page of amicus brief has the listing of Attorney Generals from 20 different states that are calling out this racial suppression of asian american students at FCPS. Appalling!

That's crazy! It's a race-blind process that selects mainly Asians. Even the biggest beneficiary of the changes were low-income Asian families.

I didn't realize the largest beneficiaries of the changes were Asians, but I'm glad the new process is more inclusive so students who aren't at the most affluent schools can still participate.

You and a squirrel frolicking under a tree could concoct tales, and revel in falsehood. However, those who read the amicus brief will note that Asian American student representation was reduced from 73% to 54% in just one admissions cycle.

What percentage of FCPS is Asian American?

The majority of students enrolled in advanced math and science courses across FCPS schools are Asian American. Any academic achievements that FCPS proudly highlights in their news releases, such as the recent one here (https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-students-continue-outperform-sat-state-and-global-averages), owe a significant debt to the dedication and hard work of Asian American students.

However, it's glaringly evident that FCPS is stifling the progress of this diligent Asian American student body, as demonstrated by the reduction in their representation at TJ.

This is why it's instructive to look at how Asian American applicants fared in the admissions process relative to students from other demographics. And they were more likely to receive an offer than students from any other demographic. The fact that they weren't likely enough to be admitted for your taste, or as likely as they were before the changes to the process, isn't a good argument.

Additionally, in the year prior to the admissions changes there were 1,116 applicants to the Class of 2024 who identified with a demographic other than Asian, while in the year following the changes there were 1,499 such applicants. The influx of non-Asian applicants (likely because of the removal of the application fee) probably had more to do with the fact that there were 56 fewer Asian American admittees year-over-year than anything else. It was a more competitive process.

The above assertions have the classic earmarks of the typical Russian disinformation.

Russian disinformation is usually, you know, false. The above is publicly available information. Try again, comrade.

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The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

Last page of amicus brief has the listing of Attorney Generals from 20 different states that are calling out this racial suppression of asian american students at FCPS. Appalling!

That's crazy! It's a race-blind process that selects mainly Asians. Even the biggest beneficiary of the changes were low-income Asian families.

I didn't realize the largest beneficiaries of the changes were Asians, but I'm glad the new process is more inclusive so students who aren't at the most affluent schools can still participate.

You and a squirrel frolicking under a tree could concoct tales, and revel in falsehood. However, those who read the amicus brief will note that Asian American student representation was reduced from 73% to 54% in just one admissions cycle.

What percentage of FCPS is Asian American?

The majority of students enrolled in advanced math and science courses across FCPS schools are Asian American. Any academic achievements that FCPS proudly highlights in their news releases, such as the recent one here (https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-students-continue-outperform-sat-state-and-global-averages), owe a significant debt to the dedication and hard work of Asian American students.

However, it's glaringly evident that FCPS is stifling the progress of this diligent Asian American student body, as demonstrated by the reduction in their representation at TJ.

This is why it's instructive to look at how Asian American applicants fared in the admissions process relative to students from other demographics. And they were more likely to receive an offer than students from any other demographic. The fact that they weren't likely enough to be admitted for your taste, or as likely as they were before the changes to the process, isn't a good argument.

Additionally, in the year prior to the admissions changes there were 1,116 applicants to the Class of 2024 who identified with a demographic other than Asian, while in the year following the changes there were 1,499 such applicants. The influx of non-Asian applicants (likely because of the removal of the application fee) probably had more to do with the fact that there were 56 fewer Asian American admittees year-over-year than anything else. It was a more competitive process.

The above assertions have the classic earmarks of the typical Russian disinformation.

Russian disinformation is usually, you know, false. The above is publicly available information. Try again, comrade.

51 former school superintendents signed a statement saying such assertion to be Russian disinformation.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-170/280287/20230922163615622_23-170%20Coalition%20for%20TJ%20v.%20FCSB%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Virginia%20and%2020%20Other%20States_final.pdf

The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

Last page of amicus brief has the listing of Attorney Generals from 20 different states that are calling out this racial suppression of asian american students at FCPS. Appalling!

That's crazy! It's a race-blind process that selects mainly Asians. Even the biggest beneficiary of the changes were low-income Asian families.

I didn't realize the largest beneficiaries of the changes were Asians, but I'm glad the new process is more inclusive so students who aren't at the most affluent schools can still participate.

You and a squirrel frolicking under a tree could concoct tales, and revel in falsehood. However, those who read the amicus brief will note that Asian American student representation was reduced from 73% to 54% in just one admissions cycle.

What percentage of FCPS is Asian American?

The majority of students enrolled in advanced math and science courses across FCPS schools are Asian American. Any academic achievements that FCPS proudly highlights in their news releases, such as the recent one here (https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-students-continue-outperform-sat-state-and-global-averages), owe a significant debt to the dedication and hard work of Asian American students.

However, it's glaringly evident that FCPS is stifling the progress of this diligent Asian American student body, as demonstrated by the reduction in their representation at TJ.

This is why it's instructive to look at how Asian American applicants fared in the admissions process relative to students from other demographics. And they were more likely to receive an offer than students from any other demographic. The fact that they weren't likely enough to be admitted for your taste, or as likely as they were before the changes to the process, isn't a good argument.

Prevarication! Asian americans did not fare well with new admissions process, instead their representation went down from 73% to 54% on one admission cycle. Attack was sucessful with surgical precision.

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The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that
have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have
scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to
compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

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Yep. Round them up, give them every incentivize to attend well regarded AAP centers with other high-achieving kids, and then pull the rug out from under them through a school-based quota system that pitted them against each other at those schools but made it much easier to gain admission from a middle school with lower-achieving kids, far fewer of whom had demonstrated similar academic aptitude.

Absolutely outrageous, and particularly that the White limousine liberals on the School Board with an anti-Asian bias went along with it.

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The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

Last page of amicus brief has the listing of Attorney Generals from 20 different states that are calling out this racial suppression of asian american students at FCPS. Appalling!

That's crazy! It's a race-blind process that selects mainly Asians. Even the biggest beneficiary of the changes were low-income Asian families.

I didn't realize the largest beneficiaries of the changes were Asians, but I'm glad the new process is more inclusive so students who aren't at the most affluent schools can still participate.

You and a squirrel frolicking under a tree could concoct tales, and revel in falsehood. However, those who read the amicus brief will note that Asian American student representation was reduced from 73% to 54% in just one admissions cycle.

What percentage of FCPS is Asian American?

The majority of students enrolled in advanced math and science courses across FCPS schools are Asian American. Any academic achievements that FCPS proudly highlights in their news releases, such as the recent one here (https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-students-continue-outperform-sat-state-and-global-averages), owe a significant debt to the dedication and hard work of Asian American students.

However, it's glaringly evident that FCPS is stifling the progress of this diligent Asian American student body, as demonstrated by the reduction in their representation at TJ.

This is why it's instructive to look at how Asian American applicants fared in the admissions process relative to students from other demographics. And they were more likely to receive an offer than students from any other demographic. The fact that they weren't likely enough to be admitted for your taste, or as likely as they were before the changes to the process, isn't a good argument.

Additionally, in the year prior to the admissions changes there were 1,116 applicants to the Class of 2024 who identified with a demographic other than Asian, while in the year following the changes there were 1,499 such applicants. The influx of non-Asian applicants (likely because of the removal of the application fee) probably had more to do with the fact that there were 56 fewer Asian American admittees year-over-year than anything else. It was a more competitive process.

False and deliberate misstatements!

The unusual rise in non-asian applicants was not due to elimination of application fee, but a desperate move by FCPS to capitalize on the momentum generated by the George Floyd movement. There isn't any genuine upsurge in STEM interest among these applicant groups; rather, it seems to be a calculated effort to diversify the applicant pool with non-Asian applicants, possibly in anticipation of the backlash expected from the forceful reduction of Asian American applicants from 73% to 54%. Of course, application fee was never a problem as can be seen from the number of applicants before and after its removal. No one was stopping non-asian applicants from applying to TJ, except for the lack of stem interest due to lack of FCPS honor classes at bottom 10 middle schools that would help students prepare for TJ rigor.


TJ Applicants / Enrollment year
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2,766 2019-20
2,539 2020-21
3,034 2021-22 <== artificially induced surge & switch to essay based admission
2,544 2022-23
2,548 2023-24

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The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

Last page of amicus brief has the listing of Attorney Generals from 20 different states that are calling out this racial suppression of asian american students at FCPS. Appalling!

That's crazy! It's a race-blind process that selects mainly Asians. Even the biggest beneficiary of the changes were low-income Asian families.

I didn't realize the largest beneficiaries of the changes were Asians, but I'm glad the new process is more inclusive so students who aren't at the most affluent schools can still participate.

You and a squirrel frolicking under a tree could concoct tales, and revel in falsehood. However, those who read the amicus brief will note that Asian American student representation was reduced from 73% to 54% in just one admissions cycle.

What percentage of FCPS is Asian American?

The majority of students enrolled in advanced math and science courses across FCPS schools are Asian American. Any academic achievements that FCPS proudly highlights in their news releases, such as the recent one here (https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-students-continue-outperform-sat-state-and-global-averages), owe a significant debt to the dedication and hard work of Asian American students.

However, it's glaringly evident that FCPS is stifling the progress of this diligent Asian American student body, as demonstrated by the reduction in their representation at TJ.

This is why it's instructive to look at how Asian American applicants fared in the admissions process relative to students from other demographics. And they were more likely to receive an offer than students from any other demographic. The fact that they weren't likely enough to be admitted for your taste, or as likely as they were before the changes to the process, isn't a good argument.

Additionally, in the year prior to the admissions changes there were 1,116 applicants to the Class of 2024 who identified with a demographic other than Asian, while in the year following the changes there were 1,499 such applicants. The influx of non-Asian applicants (likely because of the removal of the application fee) probably had more to do with the fact that there were 56 fewer Asian American admittees year-over-year than anything else. It was a more competitive process.

False and deliberate misstatements!

The unusual rise in non-asian applicants was not due to elimination of application fee, but a desperate move by FCPS to capitalize on the momentum generated by the George Floyd movement. There isn't any genuine upsurge in STEM interest among these applicant groups; rather, it seems to be a calculated effort to diversify the applicant pool with non-Asian applicants, possibly in anticipation of the backlash expected from the forceful reduction of Asian American applicants from 73% to 54%. Of course, application fee was never a problem as can be seen from the number of applicants before and after its removal. No one was stopping non-asian applicants from applying to TJ, except for the lack of stem interest due to lack of FCPS honor classes at bottom 10 middle schools that would help students prepare for TJ rigor.


TJ Applicants / Enrollment year
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2,766 2019-20
2,539 2020-21
3,034 2021-22 <== artificially induced surge & switch to essay based admission
2,544 2022-23
2,548 2023-24

DP. One of the reasons to change the admissions was to address the declining number of admissions and lessening of interest in TJ. And for their efforts, the school has been relentlessly attacked and the students relentlessly derided for years. That's not a good way to increase interest in the school - and the attacks are having the predictable result.

When are you guys going to grow up and stop attacking TJ and deriding the students there? When are you going to stop posting on the threads about the court cases that have lost rather than on the current thread about the current court case? Just look at the title of this thread. You are being the problem right now.

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The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that
have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have
scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to
compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

+1

Yep. Round them up, give them every incentivize to attend well regarded AAP centers with other high-achieving kids, and then pull the rug out from under them through a school-based quota system that pitted them against each other at those schools but made it much easier to gain admission from a middle school with lower-achieving kids, far fewer of whom had demonstrated similar academic aptitude.

Absolutely outrageous, and particularly that the White limousine liberals on the School Board with an anti-Asian bias went along with it.

Ain't that the truth!

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The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

Last page of amicus brief has the listing of Attorney Generals from 20 different states that are calling out this racial suppression of asian american students at FCPS. Appalling!

That's crazy! It's a race-blind process that selects mainly Asians. Even the biggest beneficiary of the changes were low-income Asian families.

I didn't realize the largest beneficiaries of the changes were Asians, but I'm glad the new process is more inclusive so students who aren't at the most affluent schools can still participate.

You and a squirrel frolicking under a tree could concoct tales, and revel in falsehood. However, those who read the amicus brief will note that Asian American student representation was reduced from 73% to 54% in just one admissions cycle.

What percentage of FCPS is Asian American?

The majority of students enrolled in advanced math and science courses across FCPS schools are Asian American. Any academic achievements that FCPS proudly highlights in their news releases, such as the recent one here (https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-students-continue-outperform-sat-state-and-global-averages), owe a significant debt to the dedication and hard work of Asian American students.

However, it's glaringly evident that FCPS is stifling the progress of this diligent Asian American student body, as demonstrated by the reduction in their representation at TJ.

This is why it's instructive to look at how Asian American applicants fared in the admissions process relative to students from other demographics. And they were more likely to receive an offer than students from any other demographic. The fact that they weren't likely enough to be admitted for your taste, or as likely as they were before the changes to the process, isn't a good argument.

Additionally, in the year prior to the admissions changes there were 1,116 applicants to the Class of 2024 who identified with a demographic other than Asian, while in the year following the changes there were 1,499 such applicants. The influx of non-Asian applicants (likely because of the removal of the application fee) probably had more to do with the fact that there were 56 fewer Asian American admittees year-over-year than anything else. It was a more competitive process.

False and deliberate misstatements!

The unusual rise in non-asian applicants was not due to elimination of application fee, but a desperate move by FCPS to capitalize on the momentum generated by the George Floyd movement. There isn't any genuine upsurge in STEM interest among these applicant groups; rather, it seems to be a calculated effort to diversify the applicant pool with non-Asian applicants, possibly in anticipation of the backlash expected from the forceful reduction of Asian American applicants from 73% to 54%. Of course, application fee was never a problem as can be seen from the number of applicants before and after its removal. No one was stopping non-asian applicants from applying to TJ, except for the lack of stem interest due to lack of FCPS honor classes at bottom 10 middle schools that would help students prepare for TJ rigor.


TJ Applicants / Enrollment year
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2,766 2019-20
2,539 2020-21
3,034 2021-22 <== artificially induced surge & switch to essay based admission
2,544 2022-23
2,548 2023-24

Manipulation by school system to exclude student group of one race is unacceptable. Why weren't Asian American students included in the outreach efforts during that surge year?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-170/280287/20230922163615622_23-170%20Coalition%20for%20TJ%20v.%20FCSB%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Virginia%20and%2020%20Other%20States_final.pdf

The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

Last page of amicus brief has the listing of Attorney Generals from 20 different states that are calling out this racial suppression of asian american students at FCPS. Appalling!

That's crazy! It's a race-blind process that selects mainly Asians. Even the biggest beneficiary of the changes were low-income Asian families.

I didn't realize the largest beneficiaries of the changes were Asians, but I'm glad the new process is more inclusive so students who aren't at the most affluent schools can still participate.

You and a squirrel frolicking under a tree could concoct tales, and revel in falsehood. However, those who read the amicus brief will note that Asian American student representation was reduced from 73% to 54% in just one admissions cycle.

What percentage of FCPS is Asian American?

The majority of students enrolled in advanced math and science courses across FCPS schools are Asian American. Any academic achievements that FCPS proudly highlights in their news releases, such as the recent one here (https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-students-continue-outperform-sat-state-and-global-averages), owe a significant debt to the dedication and hard work of Asian American students.

However, it's glaringly evident that FCPS is stifling the progress of this diligent Asian American student body, as demonstrated by the reduction in their representation at TJ.

This is why it's instructive to look at how Asian American applicants fared in the admissions process relative to students from other demographics. And they were more likely to receive an offer than students from any other demographic. The fact that they weren't likely enough to be admitted for your taste, or as likely as they were before the changes to the process, isn't a good argument.

Additionally, in the year prior to the admissions changes there were 1,116 applicants to the Class of 2024 who identified with a demographic other than Asian, while in the year following the changes there were 1,499 such applicants. The influx of non-Asian applicants (likely because of the removal of the application fee) probably had more to do with the fact that there were 56 fewer Asian American admittees year-over-year than anything else. It was a more competitive process.

False and deliberate misstatements!

The unusual rise in non-asian applicants was not due to elimination of application fee, but a desperate move by FCPS to capitalize on the momentum generated by the George Floyd movement. There isn't any genuine upsurge in STEM interest among these applicant groups; rather, it seems to be a calculated effort to diversify the applicant pool with non-Asian applicants, possibly in anticipation of the backlash expected from the forceful reduction of Asian American applicants from 73% to 54%. Of course, application fee was never a problem as can be seen from the number of applicants before and after its removal. No one was stopping non-asian applicants from applying to TJ, except for the lack of stem interest due to lack of FCPS honor classes at bottom 10 middle schools that would help students prepare for TJ rigor.


TJ Applicants / Enrollment year
========================
2,766 2019-20
2,539 2020-21
3,034 2021-22 <== artificially induced surge & switch to essay based admission
2,544 2022-23
2,548 2023-24

Manipulation by school system to exclude student group of one race is unacceptable. Why weren't Asian American students included in the outreach efforts during that surge year?

You seem confused. Asians are the majority of students at TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-170/280287/20230922163615622_23-170%20Coalition%20for%20TJ%20v.%20FCSB%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Virginia%20and%2020%20Other%20States_final.pdf

The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

Last page of amicus brief has the listing of Attorney Generals from 20 different states that are calling out this racial suppression of asian american students at FCPS. Appalling!

That's crazy! It's a race-blind process that selects mainly Asians. Even the biggest beneficiary of the changes were low-income Asian families.

I didn't realize the largest beneficiaries of the changes were Asians, but I'm glad the new process is more inclusive so students who aren't at the most affluent schools can still participate.

You and a squirrel frolicking under a tree could concoct tales, and revel in falsehood. However, those who read the amicus brief will note that Asian American student representation was reduced from 73% to 54% in just one admissions cycle.

What percentage of FCPS is Asian American?

The majority of students enrolled in advanced math and science courses across FCPS schools are Asian American. Any academic achievements that FCPS proudly highlights in their news releases, such as the recent one here (https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-students-continue-outperform-sat-state-and-global-averages), owe a significant debt to the dedication and hard work of Asian American students.

However, it's glaringly evident that FCPS is stifling the progress of this diligent Asian American student body, as demonstrated by the reduction in their representation at TJ.

This is why it's instructive to look at how Asian American applicants fared in the admissions process relative to students from other demographics. And they were more likely to receive an offer than students from any other demographic. The fact that they weren't likely enough to be admitted for your taste, or as likely as they were before the changes to the process, isn't a good argument.

Additionally, in the year prior to the admissions changes there were 1,116 applicants to the Class of 2024 who identified with a demographic other than Asian, while in the year following the changes there were 1,499 such applicants. The influx of non-Asian applicants (likely because of the removal of the application fee) probably had more to do with the fact that there were 56 fewer Asian American admittees year-over-year than anything else. It was a more competitive process.

False and deliberate misstatements!

The unusual rise in non-asian applicants was not due to elimination of application fee, but a desperate move by FCPS to capitalize on the momentum generated by the George Floyd movement. There isn't any genuine upsurge in STEM interest among these applicant groups; rather, it seems to be a calculated effort to diversify the applicant pool with non-Asian applicants, possibly in anticipation of the backlash expected from the forceful reduction of Asian American applicants from 73% to 54%. Of course, application fee was never a problem as can be seen from the number of applicants before and after its removal. No one was stopping non-asian applicants from applying to TJ, except for the lack of stem interest due to lack of FCPS honor classes at bottom 10 middle schools that would help students prepare for TJ rigor.


TJ Applicants / Enrollment year
========================
2,766 2019-20
2,539 2020-21
3,034 2021-22 <== artificially induced surge & switch to essay based admission
2,544 2022-23
2,548 2023-24

DP. One of the reasons to change the admissions was to address the declining number of admissions and lessening of interest in TJ. And for their efforts, the school has been relentlessly attacked and the students relentlessly derided for years. That's not a good way to increase interest in the school - and the attacks are having the predictable result.

When are you guys going to grow up and stop attacking TJ and deriding the students there? When are you going to stop posting on the threads about the court cases that have lost rather than on the current thread about the current court case? Just look at the title of this thread. You are being the problem right now.

Agree, and it doesn't help that this case was laughed out of court.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-170/280287/20230922163615622_23-170%20Coalition%20for%20TJ%20v.%20FCSB%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Virginia%20and%2020%20Other%20States_final.pdf

The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well knows that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

Last page of amicus brief has the listing of Attorney Generals from 20 different states that are calling out this racial suppression of asian american students at FCPS. Appalling!

That's crazy! It's a race-blind process that selects mainly Asians. Even the biggest beneficiary of the changes were low-income Asian families.

I didn't realize the largest beneficiaries of the changes were Asians, but I'm glad the new process is more inclusive so students who aren't at the most affluent schools can still participate.

You and a squirrel frolicking under a tree could concoct tales, and revel in falsehood. However, those who read the amicus brief will note that Asian American student representation was reduced from 73% to 54% in just one admissions cycle.

What percentage of FCPS is Asian American?

The majority of students enrolled in advanced math and science courses across FCPS schools are Asian American. Any academic achievements that FCPS proudly highlights in their news releases, such as the recent one here (https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-students-continue-outperform-sat-state-and-global-averages), owe a significant debt to the dedication and hard work of Asian American students.

However, it's glaringly evident that FCPS is stifling the progress of this diligent Asian American student body, as demonstrated by the reduction in their representation at TJ.

This is why it's instructive to look at how Asian American applicants fared in the admissions process relative to students from other demographics. And they were more likely to receive an offer than students from any other demographic. The fact that they weren't likely enough to be admitted for your taste, or as likely as they were before the changes to the process, isn't a good argument.

Additionally, in the year prior to the admissions changes there were 1,116 applicants to the Class of 2024 who identified with a demographic other than Asian, while in the year following the changes there were 1,499 such applicants. The influx of non-Asian applicants (likely because of the removal of the application fee) probably had more to do with the fact that there were 56 fewer Asian American admittees year-over-year than anything else. It was a more competitive process.

False and deliberate misstatements!

The unusual rise in non-asian applicants was not due to elimination of application fee, but a desperate move by FCPS to capitalize on the momentum generated by the George Floyd movement. There isn't any genuine upsurge in STEM interest among these applicant groups; rather, it seems to be a calculated effort to diversify the applicant pool with non-Asian applicants, possibly in anticipation of the backlash expected from the forceful reduction of Asian American applicants from 73% to 54%. Of course, application fee was never a problem as can be seen from the number of applicants before and after its removal. No one was stopping non-asian applicants from applying to TJ, except for the lack of stem interest due to lack of FCPS honor classes at bottom 10 middle schools that would help students prepare for TJ rigor.


TJ Applicants / Enrollment year
========================
2,766 2019-20
2,539 2020-21
3,034 2021-22 <== artificially induced surge & switch to essay based admission
2,544 2022-23
2,548 2023-24

Manipulation by school system to exclude student group of one race is unacceptable. Why weren't Asian American students included in the outreach efforts during that surge year?

You seem confused. Asians are the majority of students at TJ.

Indeed, the past couple of classes have rebalanced in the neighborhood of about 60% Asian... which seems more or less correct, given where the interest in TJ is coming from.