Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the FCPS actual request for a stay? Would be interested to read what their legal arguments are.


https://www.ffxnow.com/files/2022/03/FCPS-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-to-Stay-Pending-Appeal.pdf


They actually have a valid argument here.


Rehashing of old arguments. Nothing new. The request for stay will be denied.


You have to file a stay request in district court in order to file a motion for stay pending appeal in the court of appeals. I think the arguments in favor of a stay are very strong, but Hilton will likely deny it (because he has already ruled against them). But having now checked the box with a district court stay filing, they can file a motion for a stay in CA4.


Arguments in favor of a stay is strong? How so? You don't let a bank robber get away with robbing a bank just because they've already loaded the money into their car and is not at the moment robbing the bank. The stolen money is the loot. The current admissions decisions are the result of racist policies - they must be redone.


No one is entitled to those seats. They weren't "stolen".


They were pilfered.


They were given to qualified applicants from across the county. Not just a pocket of wealthy middle schools.


Why reward merit when you can promote class warfare the easy way, by throwing Asians under the bus.

Can't wait for these disgusting hypocrites to see their political careers come to a crashing halt next year. Slimy hypocrites, every one of them.
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the FCPS actual request for a stay? Would be interested to read what their legal arguments are.


https://www.ffxnow.com/files/2022/03/FCPS-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-to-Stay-Pending-Appeal.pdf


They actually have a valid argument here.


Rehashing of old arguments. Nothing new. The request for stay will be denied.


You have to file a stay request in district court in order to file a motion for stay pending appeal in the court of appeals. I think the arguments in favor of a stay are very strong, but Hilton will likely deny it (because he has already ruled against them). But having now checked the box with a district court stay filing, they can file a motion for a stay in CA4.


Arguments in favor of a stay is strong? How so? You don't let a bank robber get away with robbing a bank just because they've already loaded the money into their car and is not at the moment robbing the bank. The stolen money is the loot. The current admissions decisions are the result of racist policies - they must be redone.



No one is entitled to those seats. They weren't "stolen".


They were pilfered.


They were given to qualified applicants from across the county. Not just a pocket of wealthy middle schools.


Most wealthy Asian parents don't care about TJ. We can send out kids to private or our kids can't cut it at TJ - either not smart or hard-working enough. They will still do fine. It is the middle-income folks (including Asians) who care. They teach their kids to put their head down and work. And FCPS punished them for it. In the most shameful way. Thank god the judge saw through the racist bullshit.


TJ is the 2nd wealthiest school in FCPS. Plenty of wealthy parents care deeply about TJ.


Which school is wealthier than TJ?

Langley was 2% low-income.
TJ was 0.6%.
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the FCPS actual request for a stay? Would be interested to read what their legal arguments are.


https://www.ffxnow.com/files/2022/03/FCPS-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-to-Stay-Pending-Appeal.pdf


They actually have a valid argument here.


Rehashing of old arguments. Nothing new. The request for stay will be denied.


You have to file a stay request in district court in order to file a motion for stay pending appeal in the court of appeals. I think the arguments in favor of a stay are very strong, but Hilton will likely deny it (because he has already ruled against them). But having now checked the box with a district court stay filing, they can file a motion for a stay in CA4.


Arguments in favor of a stay is strong? How so? You don't let a bank robber get away with robbing a bank just because they've already loaded the money into their car and is not at the moment robbing the bank. The stolen money is the loot. The current admissions decisions are the result of racist policies - they must be redone.



No one is entitled to those seats. They weren't "stolen".


They were pilfered.


They were given to qualified applicants from across the county. Not just a pocket of wealthy middle schools.


Most wealthy Asian parents don't care about TJ. We can send out kids to private or our kids can't cut it at TJ - either not smart or hard-working enough. They will still do fine. It is the middle-income folks (including Asians) who care. They teach their kids to put their head down and work. And FCPS punished them for it. In the most shameful way. Thank god the judge saw through the racist bullshit.


TJ is the 2nd wealthiest school in FCPS. Plenty of wealthy parents care deeply about TJ.


Go look at Asra’s house and tell me wealthy Asian parents don’t care about TJ.

The middle income families are angry - BUT THEY’RE HELPED BY THE NEW PROCESS.
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the FCPS actual request for a stay? Would be interested to read what their legal arguments are.


https://www.ffxnow.com/files/2022/03/FCPS-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-to-Stay-Pending-Appeal.pdf


They actually have a valid argument here.


Rehashing of old arguments. Nothing new. The request for stay will be denied.


You have to file a stay request in district court in order to file a motion for stay pending appeal in the court of appeals. I think the arguments in favor of a stay are very strong, but Hilton will likely deny it (because he has already ruled against them). But having now checked the box with a district court stay filing, they can file a motion for a stay in CA4.


Arguments in favor of a stay is strong? How so? You don't let a bank robber get away with robbing a bank just because they've already loaded the money into their car and is not at the moment robbing the bank. The stolen money is the loot. The current admissions decisions are the result of racist policies - they must be redone.


No one is entitled to those seats. They weren't "stolen".


They were pilfered.


They were given to qualified applicants from across the county. Not just a pocket of wealthy middle schools.



Robert Mugabe’s government established qualification criteria for distribution of Zimbabwe’s sovereign funds to the needy. The legislature established objective criteria that yielded Robert and Grace Mugabe as the only qualified candidates. Nothing was ever stolen in Zimbabwe - the distribution of sovereign funds was endorsed by the legislature.

And yes, I agree with you.
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the FCPS actual request for a stay? Would be interested to read what their legal arguments are.


https://www.ffxnow.com/files/2022/03/FCPS-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-to-Stay-Pending-Appeal.pdf


They actually have a valid argument here.


Rehashing of old arguments. Nothing new. The request for stay will be denied.


You have to file a stay request in district court in order to file a motion for stay pending appeal in the court of appeals. I think the arguments in favor of a stay are very strong, but Hilton will likely deny it (because he has already ruled against them). But having now checked the box with a district court stay filing, they can file a motion for a stay in CA4.


Arguments in favor of a stay is strong? How so? You don't let a bank robber get away with robbing a bank just because they've already loaded the money into their car and is not at the moment robbing the bank. The stolen money is the loot. The current admissions decisions are the result of racist policies - they must be redone.



No one is entitled to those seats. They weren't "stolen".


They were pilfered.


They were given to qualified applicants from across the county. Not just a pocket of wealthy middle schools.


Most wealthy Asian parents don't care about TJ. We can send out kids to private or our kids can't cut it at TJ - either not smart or hard-working enough. They will still do fine. It is the middle-income folks (including Asians) who care. They teach their kids to put their head down and work. And FCPS punished them for it. In the most shameful way. Thank god the judge saw through the racist bullshit.


TJ is the 2nd wealthiest school in FCPS. Plenty of wealthy parents care deeply about TJ.


Go look at Asra’s house and tell me wealthy Asian parents don’t care about TJ.

The middle income families are angry - BUT THEY’RE HELPED BY THE NEW PROCESS.


+1000 this is true!!! When you limit the ability of wealthy families to drop $5K on boutique exam prep, you help middle class families of ALL races.

And before you come at me with “Curie still got 90 kids in”, do the math.

2024: 133/486 = 27.37%
2025: 90/550 = 16.36%

That’s a HUGE difference.
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the FCPS actual request for a stay? Would be interested to read what their legal arguments are.


https://www.ffxnow.com/files/2022/03/FCPS-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-to-Stay-Pending-Appeal.pdf


They actually have a valid argument here.


Rehashing of old arguments. Nothing new. The request for stay will be denied.


You have to file a stay request in district court in order to file a motion for stay pending appeal in the court of appeals. I think the arguments in favor of a stay are very strong, but Hilton will likely deny it (because he has already ruled against them). But having now checked the box with a district court stay filing, they can file a motion for a stay in CA4.


Arguments in favor of a stay is strong? How so? You don't let a bank robber get away with robbing a bank just because they've already loaded the money into their car and is not at the moment robbing the bank. The stolen money is the loot. The current admissions decisions are the result of racist policies - they must be redone.



No one is entitled to those seats. They weren't "stolen".


They were pilfered.


They were given to qualified applicants from across the county. Not just a pocket of wealthy middle schools.


Most wealthy Asian parents don't care about TJ. We can send out kids to private or our kids can't cut it at TJ - either not smart or hard-working enough. They will still do fine. It is the middle-income folks (including Asians) who care. They teach their kids to put their head down and work. And FCPS punished them for it. In the most shameful way. Thank god the judge saw through the racist bullshit.


TJ is the 2nd wealthiest school in FCPS. Plenty of wealthy parents care deeply about TJ.


Go look at Asra’s house and tell me wealthy Asian parents don’t care about TJ.

The middle income families are angry - BUT THEY’RE HELPED BY THE NEW PROCESS.


+1000 this is true!!! When you limit the ability of wealthy families to drop $5K on boutique exam prep, you help middle class families of ALL races.

And before you come at me with “Curie still got 90 kids in”, do the math.

2024: 133/486 = 27.37%
2025: 90/550 = 16.36%

That’s a HUGE difference.


What you are missing is that the new process penalizes kids that never prepped. They just happen to live in a wealthy area and that is being held against them. In doing your perfect “math”, you treat that innocent non-prepped kid as collateral damage. Bravo! That is a kid whose aspirations were dashed by cynical folks like you. What is roadkill for you is somebody’s child.

The prep industry and those that leveraged them are no good but neither are you for defending the new process that is equally inequitable. The School board could have done better and there was no hurry. But bravo
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the FCPS actual request for a stay? Would be interested to read what their legal arguments are.


https://www.ffxnow.com/files/2022/03/FCPS-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-to-Stay-Pending-Appeal.pdf


They actually have a valid argument here.


Rehashing of old arguments. Nothing new. The request for stay will be denied.


You have to file a stay request in district court in order to file a motion for stay pending appeal in the court of appeals. I think the arguments in favor of a stay are very strong, but Hilton will likely deny it (because he has already ruled against them). But having now checked the box with a district court stay filing, they can file a motion for a stay in CA4.


Arguments in favor of a stay is strong? How so? You don't let a bank robber get away with robbing a bank just because they've already loaded the money into their car and is not at the moment robbing the bank. The stolen money is the loot. The current admissions decisions are the result of racist policies - they must be redone.



No one is entitled to those seats. They weren't "stolen".


They were pilfered.


They were given to qualified applicants from across the county. Not just a pocket of wealthy middle schools.


Most wealthy Asian parents don't care about TJ. We can send out kids to private or our kids can't cut it at TJ - either not smart or hard-working enough. They will still do fine. It is the middle-income folks (including Asians) who care. They teach their kids to put their head down and work. And FCPS punished them for it. In the most shameful way. Thank god the judge saw through the racist bullshit.


TJ is the 2nd wealthiest school in FCPS. Plenty of wealthy parents care deeply about TJ.


Go look at Asra’s house
and tell me wealthy Asian parents don’t care about TJ.

The middle income families are angry - BUT THEY’RE HELPED BY THE NEW PROCESS.

Wait, what house? I thought it was a cabin in WV...
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the FCPS actual request for a stay? Would be interested to read what their legal arguments are.


https://www.ffxnow.com/files/2022/03/FCPS-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-to-Stay-Pending-Appeal.pdf


They actually have a valid argument here.


Rehashing of old arguments. Nothing new. The request for stay will be denied.


You have to file a stay request in district court in order to file a motion for stay pending appeal in the court of appeals. I think the arguments in favor of a stay are very strong, but Hilton will likely deny it (because he has already ruled against them). But having now checked the box with a district court stay filing, they can file a motion for a stay in CA4.


Arguments in favor of a stay is strong? How so? You don't let a bank robber get away with robbing a bank just because they've already loaded the money into their car and is not at the moment robbing the bank. The stolen money is the loot. The current admissions decisions are the result of racist policies - they must be redone.



No one is entitled to those seats. They weren't "stolen".


They were pilfered.


They were given to qualified applicants from across the county. Not just a pocket of wealthy middle schools.


Most wealthy Asian parents don't care about TJ. We can send out kids to private or our kids can't cut it at TJ - either not smart or hard-working enough. They will still do fine. It is the middle-income folks (including Asians) who care. They teach their kids to put their head down and work. And FCPS punished them for it. In the most shameful way. Thank god the judge saw through the racist bullshit.


TJ is the 2nd wealthiest school in FCPS. Plenty of wealthy parents care deeply about TJ.


Go look at Asra’s house and tell me wealthy Asian parents don’t care about TJ.

The middle income families are angry - BUT THEY’RE HELPED BY THE NEW PROCESS.


+1000 this is true!!! When you limit the ability of wealthy families to drop $5K on boutique exam prep, you help middle class families of ALL races.

And before you come at me with “Curie still got 90 kids in”, do the math.

2024: 133/486 = 27.37%
2025: 90/550 = 16.36%

That’s a HUGE difference.


What you are missing is that the new process penalizes kids that never prepped. They just happen to live in a wealthy area and that is being held against them. In doing your perfect “math”, you treat that innocent non-prepped kid as collateral damage. Bravo! That is a kid whose aspirations were dashed by cynical folks like you. What is roadkill for you is somebody’s child.

The prep industry and those that leveraged them are no good but neither are you for defending the new process that is equally inequitable. The School board could have done better and there was no hurry. But bravo


The cheating scandal needed rectification. The students were not penalized. But something needed to be done. "There was no hurry"?
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the FCPS actual request for a stay? Would be interested to read what their legal arguments are.


https://www.ffxnow.com/files/2022/03/FCPS-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-to-Stay-Pending-Appeal.pdf


They actually have a valid argument here.


Rehashing of old arguments. Nothing new. The request for stay will be denied.


You have to file a stay request in district court in order to file a motion for stay pending appeal in the court of appeals. I think the arguments in favor of a stay are very strong, but Hilton will likely deny it (because he has already ruled against them). But having now checked the box with a district court stay filing, they can file a motion for a stay in CA4.


Arguments in favor of a stay is strong? How so? You don't let a bank robber get away with robbing a bank just because they've already loaded the money into their car and is not at the moment robbing the bank. The stolen money is the loot. The current admissions decisions are the result of racist policies - they must be redone.



No one is entitled to those seats. They weren't "stolen".


They were pilfered.


They were given to qualified applicants from across the county. Not just a pocket of wealthy middle schools.


Most wealthy Asian parents don't care about TJ. We can send out kids to private or our kids can't cut it at TJ - either not smart or hard-working enough. They will still do fine. It is the middle-income folks (including Asians) who care. They teach their kids to put their head down and work. And FCPS punished them for it. In the most shameful way. Thank god the judge saw through the racist bullshit.


TJ is the 2nd wealthiest school in FCPS. Plenty of wealthy parents care deeply about TJ.


Go look at Asra’s house and tell me wealthy Asian parents don’t care about TJ.

The middle income families are angry - BUT THEY’RE HELPED BY THE NEW PROCESS.


+1000 this is true!!! When you limit the ability of wealthy families to drop $5K on boutique exam prep, you help middle class families of ALL races.

And before you come at me with “Curie still got 90 kids in”, do the math.

2024: 133/486 = 27.37%
2025: 90/550 = 16.36%

That’s a HUGE difference.


What you are missing is that the new process penalizes kids that never prepped. They just happen to live in a wealthy area and that is being held against them. In doing your perfect “math”, you treat that innocent non-prepped kid as collateral damage. Bravo! That is a kid whose aspirations were dashed by cynical folks like you. What is roadkill for you is somebody’s child.

The prep industry and those that leveraged them are no good but neither are you for defending the new process that is equally inequitable. The School board could have done better and there was no hurry. But bravo


The cheating scandal needed rectification. The students were not penalized. But something needed to be done. "There was no hurry"?


Cheating scandal needed rectification. Agreed.

You believe students were not penalized because you believe the new process admitted the most deserving ones and did not exclude anyone non-deserving. That is wrong. The new process is unfair. I use unfair as a secular term (the current definition of fairness assumes anything that favors URM and penalizes others is fair - that is not fair in the secular sense). You may also believe (like many on this Board do) that all Asians prep and cheat. That is plain and simple prejudice.

Something needed to be done. Agreed. But “something” needed more thought behind it.

Yes, it was hurried. Keys Gamarra talked about the George Floyd trigger to rush things. We were in the middle of a pandemic when consultations could not really be done. Political expediency was center-stage and not leadership from our elected leaders. Glad the school board has been rapped on the knuckles by the judge.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the FCPS actual request for a stay? Would be interested to read what their legal arguments are.


https://www.ffxnow.com/files/2022/03/FCPS-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-to-Stay-Pending-Appeal.pdf


They actually have a valid argument here.


Rehashing of old arguments. Nothing new. The request for stay will be denied.


You have to file a stay request in district court in order to file a motion for stay pending appeal in the court of appeals. I think the arguments in favor of a stay are very strong, but Hilton will likely deny it (because he has already ruled against them). But having now checked the box with a district court stay filing, they can file a motion for a stay in CA4.


Arguments in favor of a stay is strong? How so? You don't let a bank robber get away with robbing a bank just because they've already loaded the money into their car and is not at the moment robbing the bank. The stolen money is the loot. The current admissions decisions are the result of racist policies - they must be redone.



No one is entitled to those seats. They weren't "stolen".


They were pilfered.


They were given to qualified applicants from across the county. Not just a pocket of wealthy middle schools.


Most wealthy Asian parents don't care about TJ. We can send out kids to private or our kids can't cut it at TJ - either not smart or hard-working enough. They will still do fine. It is the middle-income folks (including Asians) who care. They teach their kids to put their head down and work. And FCPS punished them for it. In the most shameful way. Thank god the judge saw through the racist bullshit.


TJ is the 2nd wealthiest school in FCPS. Plenty of wealthy parents care deeply about TJ.


Go look at Asra’s house and tell me wealthy Asian parents don’t care about TJ.

The middle income families are angry - BUT THEY’RE HELPED BY THE NEW PROCESS.


+1000 this is true!!! When you limit the ability of wealthy families to drop $5K on boutique exam prep, you help middle class families of ALL races.

And before you come at me with “Curie still got 90 kids in”, do the math.

2024: 133/486 = 27.37%
2025: 90/550 = 16.36%

That’s a HUGE difference.


What you are missing is that the new process penalizes kids that never prepped. They just happen to live in a wealthy area and that is being held against them. In doing your perfect “math”, you treat that innocent non-prepped kid as collateral damage. Bravo! That is a kid whose aspirations were dashed by cynical folks like you. What is roadkill for you is somebody’s child.

The prep industry and those that leveraged them are no good but neither are you for defending the new process that is equally inequitable. The School board could have done better and there was no hurry. But bravo


The cheating scandal needed rectification. The students were not penalized. But something needed to be done. "There was no hurry"?


Cheating scandal needed rectification. Agreed.

You believe students were not penalized because you believe the new process admitted the most deserving ones and did not exclude anyone non-deserving. That is wrong. The new process is unfair. I use unfair as a secular term (the current definition of fairness assumes anything that favors URM and penalizes others is fair - that is not fair in the secular sense). You may also believe (like many on this Board do) that all Asians prep and cheat. That is plain and simple prejudice.

Something needed to be done. Agreed. But “something” needed more thought behind it.

Yes, it was hurried. Keys Gamarra talked about the George Floyd trigger to rush things. We were in the middle of a pandemic when consultations could not really be done. Political expediency was center-stage and not leadership from our elected leaders. Glad the school board has been rapped on the knuckles by the judge.



I don't think the "most deserving" were admitted. I think there are a lot of deserving, highly talented students in FCPS and Nova, and yes, obviously, some of them will be excluded. That has always been the case, and it still is/will be with new admissions criteria. And I think widening the geographic demographic is a good idea, for several reasons.
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the FCPS actual request for a stay? Would be interested to read what their legal arguments are.


https://www.ffxnow.com/files/2022/03/FCPS-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-to-Stay-Pending-Appeal.pdf


They actually have a valid argument here.


Rehashing of old arguments. Nothing new. The request for stay will be denied.


You have to file a stay request in district court in order to file a motion for stay pending appeal in the court of appeals. I think the arguments in favor of a stay are very strong, but Hilton will likely deny it (because he has already ruled against them). But having now checked the box with a district court stay filing, they can file a motion for a stay in CA4.




Arguments in favor of a stay is strong? How so? You don't let a bank robber get away with robbing a bank just because they've already loaded the money into their car and is not at the moment robbing the bank. The stolen money is the loot. The current admissions decisions are the result of racist policies - they must be redone.



No one is entitled to those seats. They weren't "stolen".


They were pilfered.


They were given to qualified applicants from across the county. Not just a pocket of wealthy middle schools.


Most wealthy Asian parents don't care about TJ. We can send out kids to private or our kids can't cut it at TJ - either not smart or hard-working enough. They will still do fine. It is the middle-income folks (including Asians) who care. They teach their kids to put their head down and work. And FCPS punished them for it. In the most shameful way. Thank god the judge saw through the racist bullshit.


TJ is the 2nd wealthiest school in FCPS. Plenty of wealthy parents care deeply about TJ.


Go look at Asra’s house and tell me wealthy Asian parents don’t care about TJ.

The middle income families are angry - BUT THEY’RE HELPED BY THE NEW PROCESS.


+1000 this is true!!! When you limit the ability of wealthy families to drop $5K on boutique exam prep, you help middle class families of ALL races.

And before you come at me with “Curie still got 90 kids in”, do the math.

2024: 133/486 = 27.37%
2025: 90/550 = 16.36%

That’s a HUGE difference.


What you are missing is that the new process penalizes kids that never prepped. They just happen to live in a wealthy area and that is being held against them. In doing your perfect “math”, you treat that innocent non-prepped kid as collateral damage. Bravo! That is a kid whose aspirations were dashed by cynical folks like you. What is roadkill for you is somebody’s child.

The prep industry and those that leveraged them are no good but neither are you for defending the new process that is equally inequitable. The School board could have done better and there was no hurry. But bravo


The cheating scandal needed rectification. The students were not penalized. But something needed to be done. "There was no hurry"?


Cheating scandal needed rectification. Agreed.

You believe students were not penalized because you believe the new process admitted the most deserving ones and did not exclude anyone non-deserving. That is wrong. The new process is unfair. I use unfair as a secular term (the current definition of fairness assumes anything that favors URM and penalizes others is fair - that is not fair in the secular sense). You may also believe (like many on this Board do) that all Asians prep and cheat. That is plain and simple prejudice.

Something needed to be done. Agreed. But “something” needed more thought behind it.

Yes, it was hurried. Keys Gamarra talked about the George Floyd trigger to rush things. We were in the middle of a pandemic when consultations could not really be done. Political expediency was center-stage and not leadership from our elected leaders. Glad the school board has been rapped on the knuckles by the judge.



I don't think the "most deserving" were admitted. I think there are a lot of deserving, highly talented students in FCPS and Nova, and yes, obviously, some of them will be excluded. That has always been the case, and it still is/will be with new admissions criteria. And I think widening the geographic demographic is a good idea, for several reasons.


So we can agree an imperfect process was replaced by an imperfect process. Two wrongs don’t make a right. And that is the point. With all the resources available, the school board could have done better. The “some” that you are ok with being excluded have names and they are not just a statistic like you make them out to be.

No process will be fool-proof but given that this discussion has raged on for 50 pages suggests that this has struck a chord with many people. The school board could have taken their time and brought the community together. Now they have just moved the “Have” hat from one set of people to another leaving a new set of ‘have-nots”. Clearly avoidable if the school board was not beholden to political ideology as opposed to chid welfare
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link to the FCPS actual request for a stay? Would be interested to read what their legal arguments are.


https://www.ffxnow.com/files/2022/03/FCPS-Brief-in-Support-of-Motion-to-Stay-Pending-Appeal.pdf


They actually have a valid argument here.


Rehashing of old arguments. Nothing new. The request for stay will be denied.


You have to file a stay request in district court in order to file a motion for stay pending appeal in the court of appeals. I think the arguments in favor of a stay are very strong, but Hilton will likely deny it (because he has already ruled against them). But having now checked the box with a district court stay filing, they can file a motion for a stay in CA4.




Arguments in favor of a stay is strong? How so? You don't let a bank robber get away with robbing a bank just because they've already loaded the money into their car and is not at the moment robbing the bank. The stolen money is the loot. The current admissions decisions are the result of racist policies - they must be redone.



No one is entitled to those seats. They weren't "stolen".


They were pilfered.


They were given to qualified applicants from across the county. Not just a pocket of wealthy middle schools.


Most wealthy Asian parents don't care about TJ. We can send out kids to private or our kids can't cut it at TJ - either not smart or hard-working enough. They will still do fine. It is the middle-income folks (including Asians) who care. They teach their kids to put their head down and work. And FCPS punished them for it. In the most shameful way. Thank god the judge saw through the racist bullshit.


TJ is the 2nd wealthiest school in FCPS. Plenty of wealthy parents care deeply about TJ.


Go look at Asra’s house and tell me wealthy Asian parents don’t care about TJ.

The middle income families are angry - BUT THEY’RE HELPED BY THE NEW PROCESS.


+1000 this is true!!! When you limit the ability of wealthy families to drop $5K on boutique exam prep, you help middle class families of ALL races.

And before you come at me with “Curie still got 90 kids in”, do the math.

2024: 133/486 = 27.37%
2025: 90/550 = 16.36%

That’s a HUGE difference.


What you are missing is that the new process penalizes kids that never prepped. They just happen to live in a wealthy area and that is being held against them. In doing your perfect “math”, you treat that innocent non-prepped kid as collateral damage. Bravo! That is a kid whose aspirations were dashed by cynical folks like you. What is roadkill for you is somebody’s child.

The prep industry and those that leveraged them are no good but neither are you for defending the new process that is equally inequitable. The School board could have done better and there was no hurry. But bravo


The cheating scandal needed rectification. The students were not penalized. But something needed to be done. "There was no hurry"?


Cheating scandal needed rectification. Agreed.

You believe students were not penalized because you believe the new process admitted the most deserving ones and did not exclude anyone non-deserving. That is wrong. The new process is unfair. I use unfair as a secular term (the current definition of fairness assumes anything that favors URM and penalizes others is fair - that is not fair in the secular sense). You may also believe (like many on this Board do) that all Asians prep and cheat. That is plain and simple prejudice.

Something needed to be done. Agreed. But “something” needed more thought behind it.

Yes, it was hurried. Keys Gamarra talked about the George Floyd trigger to rush things. We were in the middle of a pandemic when consultations could not really be done. Political expediency was center-stage and not leadership from our elected leaders. Glad the school board has been rapped on the knuckles by the judge.



I don't think the "most deserving" were admitted. I think there are a lot of deserving, highly talented students in FCPS and Nova, and yes, obviously, some of them will be excluded. That has always been the case, and it still is/will be with new admissions criteria. And I think widening the geographic demographic is a good idea, for several reasons.


So we can agree an imperfect process was replaced by an imperfect process. Two wrongs don’t make a right. And that is the point. With all the resources available, the school board could have done better. The “some” that you are ok with being excluded have names and they are not just a statistic like you make them out to be.

No process will be fool-proof but given that this discussion has raged on for 50 pages suggests that this has struck a chord with many people. The school board could have taken their time and brought the community together. Now they have just moved the “Have” hat from one set of people to another leaving a new set of ‘have-nots”. Clearly avoidable if the school board was not beholden to political ideology as opposed to chid welfare
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The have hat has not been moved from the ultra wealthy communities to economically disadvantaged ones. The top TJ feeders like Carson and Rocky Run are still getting tons of kids in. Now schools that rarely got any one in, Poe/Glasgow/Whitman/whoever, are also assured a solid chunk of seats.

Which communities lost out? Middle class. Rich never give from themselves to low income. Frost went from something like 25 seats to 9, which is probably only the 1.5% they are required to get.
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Y’all making it sound like the only thing fcps did wrong was the lack of communication with the community. That’s the least of it. Trying to down play the fact that they’re racist and unconstitutional won’t make this process look an ounce more justified.
We’ll not stop here.
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Investment has to be made to low income pre - k, elementary and middle schools the the kids there can genuinely compete with privileged peers on merit.

Why can’t FCPS make free high quality TJ test prep mandatory in all of its middle schools. Why can’t all kids in social housing neighbourhoods have a free cram school walking distance from them ?
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