Three Officers and Two Paramedics Are Charged in Elijah McClain’s Death

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:18:18 again.

Just a few days ago a Colorado police officer parked his cruiser, with a suspect in it, on train tracks. The cruiser and the woman inside were hit by a train. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-train-hits-police-car-woman-handcuffed-back-seat-fort-lupton-colorado/

Parks her on train tracks. On train tracks. Presumably the place where everyone knows not to park and he left a suspect parked there.

This is truly awful. However I am hoping it was just stupidity on the officers' part, and not intentional.

Unlike this guy who broke the arm of a dementia patient and then laughed about it.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/former-officer-sentenced-arrest-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-that-broke-her-arm/WVRABH3HTZDEVK6T6RVLQ4QLWU/

Bet the cops wife poster will bend over backwards to defend this.

Sigh. No. I know a couple posters here would like me to, but as I have repeatedly said, I do not condone the horrific actions of some officers.

I simply don’t cast aspersions at wide groups of people. I don’t spit on or threaten officers as they go about their days doing their jobs, which has happened several times to my husband. I assume that’s acceptable behavior to a couple posters here. He just deserves it, correct?

I don’t hold police solely responsible for society’s faults. I also know, based on many interactions, volunteer experiences, and participation in community policing initiatives, that there is a lot of good work being done in communities. Instead of making things harder for everyone (police and citizens alike) by intentionally demeaning and denigrating people trying to be good officers and citizens, I choose to help.

I’m saddened by the fact that simply saying something positive caused so much hatred and hostility. I did notice that statistics I posted about use-of-force and police training did not receive angry retorts, which I take to mean that the facts were generally accepted. I wonder, then, why the hate?

You’re welcome to answer, but I’m done responding. This puts hate into the world, and that’s not my thing.

Professional victim right here. I know you think you’re painting police in a positive light but your incessant nattering about how cops just aren’t that bad is painting you all in a worse light. I replied to your facts and figures and you reply with martyrdom, martyrdom you’re so deep into that you can’t even identify it as such. Like “I did notice that statistics I posted about use-of-force and police training did not receive angry retorts, which I take to mean that the facts were generally accepted. I wonder, then, why the hate?” I replied to two of your “statistics” posts with calm, fact based replies and you reply with “Nope, I’m sorry. I will not hate people because somebody on DCUM told me to.” No one told you to hate anyone, bub.

What you and all the other police force cheerleaders pretend not to see is that there are serious and deeply entrenched problems in police forces. Like the Oathkeepers who have been publicly identified. https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers-leaked-membership-rolls-2ca4195ed3a10e45dd189bf98f3e5a26 Like active white supremacists in police forces. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/prevalence-white-supremacists-law-enforcement-demands-drastic-change-2022-05-12/ Like the amount of force used against Black people and in Black neighborhoods. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

When you and your husband’s career line pretend you’re high and mighty and above reproach, guess what? Innocent Black people are going to continue to get murdered. Mentally ill people are going to continue to get injured and murdered. People with hearing problems are going to continue to get beat down. People are going to continue to have a can of pepper spray emptied in their face for attempting to follow disparate commands. But you don’t see a problem and you sure as shoot don’t respond honestly.

So in fact you’re correct. You are putting hate out there. Your instinct to not once again respond thoughtlessly, like a mynah bird, is the correct one. Don’t reply at all until you’ve actually read some of the dozen cites I know that I’ve posted. Don’t come back until you want to learn something, because your endless cheerleading of racism and problems in the force in the face of facts is beyond irritating, it’s pathological.

I read this and I don’t feel the response you intend for me to feel. I don’t feel insulted, angry, shown-up, or irritated. I only feel puzzled because the simple request to accept that some people have positive intentions is somehow deemed “pathological” with shades of “martyrdom.” It’s unfortunate that pointing out good is distorted into “hate” to you. I’ve made it BEYOND clear that I see the serious problems in policing. I’ve stated that several times, actually. You simply want that to be all I see and that’s not going to happen. I’ve witnessed too much, including multiple lives saved as recently as this year, to throw it all away.

I don’t understand your end game. You say I “don’t see a problem” when I clearly have acknowledged I do. You say I “don’t respond honestly,” yet nothing I have posted has been insincere. I simply asked for 800,000 people to not be blanketly condemned. Is that your end game? To condemn all officers?

There’s nothing I can learn from you. I’m sure you’ll respond about how I’m a lost cause, or ignorant, or some other insult… but you have shown that you do not respond with respect or good faith.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:18:18 again.

Just a few days ago a Colorado police officer parked his cruiser, with a suspect in it, on train tracks. The cruiser and the woman inside were hit by a train. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-train-hits-police-car-woman-handcuffed-back-seat-fort-lupton-colorado/

Parks her on train tracks. On train tracks. Presumably the place where everyone knows not to park and he left a suspect parked there.

This is truly awful. However I am hoping it was just stupidity on the officers' part, and not intentional.

Unlike this guy who broke the arm of a dementia patient and then laughed about it.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/former-officer-sentenced-arrest-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-that-broke-her-arm/WVRABH3HTZDEVK6T6RVLQ4QLWU/

Bet the cops wife poster will bend over backwards to defend this.

Sigh. No. I know a couple posters here would like me to, but as I have repeatedly said, I do not condone the horrific actions of some officers.

I simply don’t cast aspersions at wide groups of people. I don’t spit on or threaten officers as they go about their days doing their jobs, which has happened several times to my husband. I assume that’s acceptable behavior to a couple posters here. He just deserves it, correct?

I don’t hold police solely responsible for society’s faults. I also know, based on many interactions, volunteer experiences, and participation in community policing initiatives, that there is a lot of good work being done in communities. Instead of making things harder for everyone (police and citizens alike) by intentionally demeaning and denigrating people trying to be good officers and citizens, I choose to help.

I’m saddened by the fact that simply saying something positive caused so much hatred and hostility. I did notice that statistics I posted about use-of-force and police training did not receive angry retorts, which I take to mean that the facts were generally accepted. I wonder, then, why the hate?

You’re welcome to answer, but I’m done responding. This puts hate into the world, and that’s not my thing.

Professional victim right here. I know you think you’re painting police in a positive light but your incessant nattering about how cops just aren’t that bad is painting you all in a worse light. I replied to your facts and figures and you reply with martyrdom, martyrdom you’re so deep into that you can’t even identify it as such. Like “I did notice that statistics I posted about use-of-force and police training did not receive angry retorts, which I take to mean that the facts were generally accepted. I wonder, then, why the hate?” I replied to two of your “statistics” posts with calm, fact based replies and you reply with “Nope, I’m sorry. I will not hate people because somebody on DCUM told me to.” No one told you to hate anyone, bub.

What you and all the other police force cheerleaders pretend not to see is that there are serious and deeply entrenched problems in police forces. Like the Oathkeepers who have been publicly identified. https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers-leaked-membership-rolls-2ca4195ed3a10e45dd189bf98f3e5a26 Like active white supremacists in police forces. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/prevalence-white-supremacists-law-enforcement-demands-drastic-change-2022-05-12/ Like the amount of force used against Black people and in Black neighborhoods. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

When you and your husband’s career line pretend you’re high and mighty and above reproach, guess what? Innocent Black people are going to continue to get murdered. Mentally ill people are going to continue to get injured and murdered. People with hearing problems are going to continue to get beat down. People are going to continue to have a can of pepper spray emptied in their face for attempting to follow disparate commands. But you don’t see a problem and you sure as shoot don’t respond honestly.

So in fact you’re correct. You are putting hate out there. Your instinct to not once again respond thoughtlessly, like a mynah bird, is the correct one. Don’t reply at all until you’ve actually read some of the dozen cites I know that I’ve posted. Don’t come back until you want to learn something, because your endless cheerleading of racism and problems in the force in the face of facts is beyond irritating, it’s pathological.

I read this and I don’t feel the response you intend for me to feel. I don’t feel insulted, angry, shown-up, or irritated. I only feel puzzled because the simple request to accept that some people have positive intentions is somehow deemed “pathological” with shades of “martyrdom.” It’s unfortunate that pointing out good is distorted into “hate” to you. I’ve made it BEYOND clear that I see the serious problems in policing. I’ve stated that several times, actually. You simply want that to be all I see and that’s not going to happen. I’ve witnessed too much, including multiple lives saved as recently as this year, to throw it all away.

I don’t understand your end game. You say I “don’t see a problem” when I clearly have acknowledged I do. You say I “don’t respond honestly,” yet nothing I have posted has been insincere. I simply asked for 800,000 people to not be blanketly condemned. Is that your end game? To condemn all officers?

There’s nothing I can learn from you. I’m sure you’ll respond about how I’m a lost cause, or ignorant, or some other insult… but you have shown that you do not respond with respect or good faith.

You’re either slow or deliberately obtuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:18:18 again.

Just a few days ago a Colorado police officer parked his cruiser, with a suspect in it, on train tracks. The cruiser and the woman inside were hit by a train. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-train-hits-police-car-woman-handcuffed-back-seat-fort-lupton-colorado/

Parks her on train tracks. On train tracks. Presumably the place where everyone knows not to park and he left a suspect parked there.

This is truly awful. However I am hoping it was just stupidity on the officers' part, and not intentional.

Unlike this guy who broke the arm of a dementia patient and then laughed about it.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/former-officer-sentenced-arrest-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-that-broke-her-arm/WVRABH3HTZDEVK6T6RVLQ4QLWU/

Bet the cops wife poster will bend over backwards to defend this.

Sigh. No. I know a couple posters here would like me to, but as I have repeatedly said, I do not condone the horrific actions of some officers.

I simply don’t cast aspersions at wide groups of people. I don’t spit on or threaten officers as they go about their days doing their jobs, which has happened several times to my husband. I assume that’s acceptable behavior to a couple posters here. He just deserves it, correct?

I don’t hold police solely responsible for society’s faults. I also know, based on many interactions, volunteer experiences, and participation in community policing initiatives, that there is a lot of good work being done in communities. Instead of making things harder for everyone (police and citizens alike) by intentionally demeaning and denigrating people trying to be good officers and citizens, I choose to help.

I’m saddened by the fact that simply saying something positive caused so much hatred and hostility. I did notice that statistics I posted about use-of-force and police training did not receive angry retorts, which I take to mean that the facts were generally accepted. I wonder, then, why the hate?

You’re welcome to answer, but I’m done responding. This puts hate into the world, and that’s not my thing.

Professional victim right here. I know you think you’re painting police in a positive light but your incessant nattering about how cops just aren’t that bad is painting you all in a worse light. I replied to your facts and figures and you reply with martyrdom, martyrdom you’re so deep into that you can’t even identify it as such. Like “I did notice that statistics I posted about use-of-force and police training did not receive angry retorts, which I take to mean that the facts were generally accepted. I wonder, then, why the hate?” I replied to two of your “statistics” posts with calm, fact based replies and you reply with “Nope, I’m sorry. I will not hate people because somebody on DCUM told me to.” No one told you to hate anyone, bub.

What you and all the other police force cheerleaders pretend not to see is that there are serious and deeply entrenched problems in police forces. Like the Oathkeepers who have been publicly identified. https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers-leaked-membership-rolls-2ca4195ed3a10e45dd189bf98f3e5a26 Like active white supremacists in police forces. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/prevalence-white-supremacists-law-enforcement-demands-drastic-change-2022-05-12/ Like the amount of force used against Black people and in Black neighborhoods. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

When you and your husband’s career line pretend you’re high and mighty and above reproach, guess what? Innocent Black people are going to continue to get murdered. Mentally ill people are going to continue to get injured and murdered. People with hearing problems are going to continue to get beat down. People are going to continue to have a can of pepper spray emptied in their face for attempting to follow disparate commands. But you don’t see a problem and you sure as shoot don’t respond honestly.

So in fact you’re correct. You are putting hate out there. Your instinct to not once again respond thoughtlessly, like a mynah bird, is the correct one. Don’t reply at all until you’ve actually read some of the dozen cites I know that I’ve posted. Don’t come back until you want to learn something, because your endless cheerleading of racism and problems in the force in the face of facts is beyond irritating, it’s pathological.

I read this and I don’t feel the response you intend for me to feel. I don’t feel insulted, angry, shown-up, or irritated. I only feel puzzled because the simple request to accept that some people have positive intentions is somehow deemed “pathological” with shades of “martyrdom.” It’s unfortunate that pointing out good is distorted into “hate” to you. I’ve made it BEYOND clear that I see the serious problems in policing. I’ve stated that several times, actually. You simply want that to be all I see and that’s not going to happen. I’ve witnessed too much, including multiple lives saved as recently as this year, to throw it all away.

I don’t understand your end game. You say I “don’t see a problem” when I clearly have acknowledged I do. You say I “don’t respond honestly,” yet nothing I have posted has been insincere. I simply asked for 800,000 people to not be blanketly condemned. Is that your end game? To condemn all officers?

There’s nothing I can learn from you. I’m sure you’ll respond about how I’m a lost cause, or ignorant, or some other insult… but you have shown that you do not respond with respect or good faith.

DP. You know what I find puzzling? Why you seem to see yourself as more of a victim here then the dead black man. This thread is not about you, and your level of self-absorption in continuing to make it all about yourself is astounding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:18:18 again.

Just a few days ago a Colorado police officer parked his cruiser, with a suspect in it, on train tracks. The cruiser and the woman inside were hit by a train. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-train-hits-police-car-woman-handcuffed-back-seat-fort-lupton-colorado/

Parks her on train tracks. On train tracks. Presumably the place where everyone knows not to park and he left a suspect parked there.

This is truly awful. However I am hoping it was just stupidity on the officers' part, and not intentional.

Unlike this guy who broke the arm of a dementia patient and then laughed about it.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/former-officer-sentenced-arrest-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-that-broke-her-arm/WVRABH3HTZDEVK6T6RVLQ4QLWU/

Bet the cops wife poster will bend over backwards to defend this.

Sigh. No. I know a couple posters here would like me to, but as I have repeatedly said, I do not condone the horrific actions of some officers.

I simply don’t cast aspersions at wide groups of people. I don’t spit on or threaten officers as they go about their days doing their jobs, which has happened several times to my husband. I assume that’s acceptable behavior to a couple posters here. He just deserves it, correct?

I don’t hold police solely responsible for society’s faults. I also know, based on many interactions, volunteer experiences, and participation in community policing initiatives, that there is a lot of good work being done in communities. Instead of making things harder for everyone (police and citizens alike) by intentionally demeaning and denigrating people trying to be good officers and citizens, I choose to help.

I’m saddened by the fact that simply saying something positive caused so much hatred and hostility. I did notice that statistics I posted about use-of-force and police training did not receive angry retorts, which I take to mean that the facts were generally accepted. I wonder, then, why the hate?

You’re welcome to answer, but I’m done responding. This puts hate into the world, and that’s not my thing.

Professional victim right here. I know you think you’re painting police in a positive light but your incessant nattering about how cops just aren’t that bad is painting you all in a worse light. I replied to your facts and figures and you reply with martyrdom, martyrdom you’re so deep into that you can’t even identify it as such. Like “I did notice that statistics I posted about use-of-force and police training did not receive angry retorts, which I take to mean that the facts were generally accepted. I wonder, then, why the hate?” I replied to two of your “statistics” posts with calm, fact based replies and you reply with “Nope, I’m sorry. I will not hate people because somebody on DCUM told me to.” No one told you to hate anyone, bub.

What you and all the other police force cheerleaders pretend not to see is that there are serious and deeply entrenched problems in police forces. Like the Oathkeepers who have been publicly identified. https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers-leaked-membership-rolls-2ca4195ed3a10e45dd189bf98f3e5a26 Like active white supremacists in police forces. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/prevalence-white-supremacists-law-enforcement-demands-drastic-change-2022-05-12/ Like the amount of force used against Black people and in Black neighborhoods. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

When you and your husband’s career line pretend you’re high and mighty and above reproach, guess what? Innocent Black people are going to continue to get murdered. Mentally ill people are going to continue to get injured and murdered. People with hearing problems are going to continue to get beat down. People are going to continue to have a can of pepper spray emptied in their face for attempting to follow disparate commands. But you don’t see a problem and you sure as shoot don’t respond honestly.

So in fact you’re correct. You are putting hate out there. Your instinct to not once again respond thoughtlessly, like a mynah bird, is the correct one. Don’t reply at all until you’ve actually read some of the dozen cites I know that I’ve posted. Don’t come back until you want to learn something, because your endless cheerleading of racism and problems in the force in the face of facts is beyond irritating, it’s pathological.

I read this and I don’t feel the response you intend for me to feel. I don’t feel insulted, angry, shown-up, or irritated. I only feel puzzled because the simple request to accept that some people have positive intentions is somehow deemed “pathological” with shades of “martyrdom.” It’s unfortunate that pointing out good is distorted into “hate” to you. I’ve made it BEYOND clear that I see the serious problems in policing. I’ve stated that several times, actually. You simply want that to be all I see and that’s not going to happen. I’ve witnessed too much, including multiple lives saved as recently as this year, to throw it all away.

I don’t understand your end game. You say I “don’t see a problem” when I clearly have acknowledged I do. You say I “don’t respond honestly,” yet nothing I have posted has been insincere. I simply asked for 800,000 people to not be blanketly condemned. Is that your end game? To condemn all officers?

There’s nothing I can learn from you. I’m sure you’ll respond about how I’m a lost cause, or ignorant, or some other insult… but you have shown that you do not respond with respect or good faith.

DP. You know what I find puzzling? Why you seem to see yourself as more of a victim here then the dead black man. This thread is not about you, and your level of self-absorption in continuing to make it all about yourself is astounding.

I’m 9/26 21:09 and thank you for replying to the wordy troll more succinctly than I could. Let’s leave the troll to her own devices.

It’s good that these five individuals have been charged, but I still don’t see most police departments doing the work around getting white supremacists and garden variety racists out of the force. Not transferred. Not desk duty, out of the force altogether. It’s not like this is a new problem, though the growing awareness among White people is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Aurora police dept is an abomination. Weren't they the same who dragged the little girls out of a car because they assumed it couldn't belong to black people. They were forced to lie face down on asphalt with guns drawn on them. The car wasn't even the make and model that was reported stolen.

There was also video 2 black women took in their apt complex of a 2 cops trying to detain a white woman in a car. The white woman refused to stop and the cops were befuddled. An young black male walks by and the cops dropped dealing with the woman and began hassling him and tried to detain him. The women walked over and let the officers know they had recorded everything and they had no right to stop the young man. He was clearly terrified. One of the cops literally turned around and took off when he saw he was being recorded. The other followed.

There is so much more.

Citation please. There are over 700 officers working for Aurora PD if you didn't know.

Do you know the phrase “a few bad apples spoils the bunch”? Probably not, and if you do, you probably don’t understand what it means. You see, back in the olden times, apples were stored in barrels and if even one or two apples went bad, soon the whole barrel would be rotten. It’s the same thing in policing. How many covert or overt acts of racism by the police have occurred where McClain was murdered? How many “good” cops looked the other way? How many “good” supervisors quietly squashed stories or investigations to protect the bad cops? How many good cops were retaliated against? Now repeat that across the country. There’s no accountability. Black people are just left to dangle on their own, their stories pretty unbelieved or waved away.

We need the police. We need a police force that works for everyone, not just to the benefit of some.

My husband is a police officer. He has been criticized for not doing more to turn in bad cops, even though he has logically and clearly explained that he works on a shift of 5... all honest, hard-working officers who consciously try to make good decisions. He was once accused openly in front of many people for not stopping something that happened across his county among officers he doesn't even know. There are 1,800 officers in his department. He is apparently personally responsible for what all of them do, regardless of whether or not he has ever met them.

That's the problem with your "bad apples" analogy that you try so hard to insult a PP above. Those apples are stored in MANY different barrels. The apples in barrel #245 are not responsible for the applies in barrel #742, but yet that's exactly the mindset we are using when we judge police today. You are only assuming there are legions of "good" cops looking the other way and "good" supervisors squashing stories. Data actually suggests otherwise, especially when you look at use-of-force statistics. The overwhelming majority of police intereactions are actually of the helpful variety, not the type that unfortunately make the news.

This story on this thread is about bad apples. Condemn the bad ones, but let the other ones stand on their own merits.

My husband is a former police officer. When he reported police misconduct and lying about crime stats, MPD ran him off the force. He dealt with harassment, retaliation, you name it. He hates whe I tell our DC to fucck the police because he says it disrespects everything he tried to do when he was on the job. In the end, there are more bad apples than good ones. The good ones have to turn their heads the other way, ask for a transfer and hope for a good one, or leave.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Aurora police dept is an abomination. Weren't they the same who dragged the little girls out of a car because they assumed it couldn't belong to black people. They were forced to lie face down on asphalt with guns drawn on them. The car wasn't even the make and model that was reported stolen.

There was also video 2 black women took in their apt complex of a 2 cops trying to detain a white woman in a car. The white woman refused to stop and the cops were befuddled. An young black male walks by and the cops dropped dealing with the woman and began hassling him and tried to detain him. The women walked over and let the officers know they had recorded everything and they had no right to stop the young man. He was clearly terrified. One of the cops literally turned around and took off when he saw he was being recorded. The other followed.

There is so much more.

Citation please. There are over 700 officers working for Aurora PD if you didn't know.

Do you know the phrase “a few bad apples spoils the bunch”? Probably not, and if you do, you probably don’t understand what it means. You see, back in the olden times, apples were stored in barrels and if even one or two apples went bad, soon the whole barrel would be rotten. It’s the same thing in policing. How many covert or overt acts of racism by the police have occurred where McClain was murdered? How many “good” cops looked the other way? How many “good” supervisors quietly squashed stories or investigations to protect the bad cops? How many good cops were retaliated against? Now repeat that across the country. There’s no accountability. Black people are just left to dangle on their own, their stories pretty unbelieved or waved away.

We need the police. We need a police force that works for everyone, not just to the benefit of some.

My husband is a police officer. He has been criticized for not doing more to turn in bad cops, even though he has logically and clearly explained that he works on a shift of 5... all honest, hard-working officers who consciously try to make good decisions. He was once accused openly in front of many people for not stopping something that happened across his county among officers he doesn't even know. There are 1,800 officers in his department. He is apparently personally responsible for what all of them do, regardless of whether or not he has ever met them.

That's the problem with your "bad apples" analogy that you try so hard to insult a PP above. Those apples are stored in MANY different barrels. The apples in barrel #245 are not responsible for the applies in barrel #742, but yet that's exactly the mindset we are using when we judge police today. You are only assuming there are legions of "good" cops looking the other way and "good" supervisors squashing stories. Data actually suggests otherwise, especially when you look at use-of-force statistics. The overwhelming majority of police intereactions are actually of the helpful variety, not the type that unfortunately make the news.

This story on this thread is about bad apples. Condemn the bad ones, but let the other ones stand on their own merits.

You’re trying to hard to defend those who cover for bad cops.

Again: you have no proof that officers are inherently bad. That’s the only explanation that would work to explain how all your barrels would be spoiled. There is literally no proof, and you know it. I’m not defending “bad cops.” I’m defending people who went into this profession honorably who are now being held accountable for stuff that happens counties or states away.

If we go down this road, be prepared to talk about how all teachers are inherently bad, all doctors are inherently bad, etc. I can find bad in all groups of people, so if one bad apple spoils an entire profession…

You have no proof that they aren't inherently bad. For the sake of argument, maybe your husband is a "good" cop but if he was with other cops who stopped a black man for no reason other than the color of his skin and who put him in a choke hold, what would your husband do? Would he tell his fellow cops to stop? Would he report them? We all know that he would do absolutely nothing

I’m not taking your bait. No, “we all” don’t know that. I also know that regional statistics in the DMV area also don’t support your bias and hate. Your tone alone suggests that no data, nor documented anecdotes, will change your mind. I’ve been down this road on DCUM before and have noticed that people who want to hate will simply continue to hate, no matter how unwarranted their feelings may be.

To get this thread back on track: condemn the officers who should be condemned. Don’t blame 800,000 for the actions of a few.

It would appear that you, indeed, did take my bait. Other than Serpico, how many cops have reported bad cops?

More than you can imagine, but then their career is over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Aurora police dept is an abomination. Weren't they the same who dragged the little girls out of a car because they assumed it couldn't belong to black people. They were forced to lie face down on asphalt with guns drawn on them. The car wasn't even the make and model that was reported stolen.

There was also video 2 black women took in their apt complex of a 2 cops trying to detain a white woman in a car. The white woman refused to stop and the cops were befuddled. An young black male walks by and the cops dropped dealing with the woman and began hassling him and tried to detain him. The women walked over and let the officers know they had recorded everything and they had no right to stop the young man. He was clearly terrified. One of the cops literally turned around and took off when he saw he was being recorded. The other followed.

There is so much more.

Citation please. There are over 700 officers working for Aurora PD if you didn't know.

Do you know the phrase “a few bad apples spoils the bunch”? Probably not, and if you do, you probably don’t understand what it means. You see, back in the olden times, apples were stored in barrels and if even one or two apples went bad, soon the whole barrel would be rotten. It’s the same thing in policing. How many covert or overt acts of racism by the police have occurred where McClain was murdered? How many “good” cops looked the other way? How many “good” supervisors quietly squashed stories or investigations to protect the bad cops? How many good cops were retaliated against? Now repeat that across the country. There’s no accountability. Black people are just left to dangle on their own, their stories pretty unbelieved or waved away.

We need the police. We need a police force that works for everyone, not just to the benefit of some.

My husband is a police officer. He has been criticized for not doing more to turn in bad cops, even though he has logically and clearly explained that he works on a shift of 5... all honest, hard-working officers who consciously try to make good decisions. He was once accused openly in front of many people for not stopping something that happened across his county among officers he doesn't even know. There are 1,800 officers in his department. He is apparently personally responsible for what all of them do, regardless of whether or not he has ever met them.

That's the problem with your "bad apples" analogy that you try so hard to insult a PP above. Those apples are stored in MANY different barrels. The apples in barrel #245 are not responsible for the applies in barrel #742, but yet that's exactly the mindset we are using when we judge police today. You are only assuming there are legions of "good" cops looking the other way and "good" supervisors squashing stories. Data actually suggests otherwise, especially when you look at use-of-force statistics. The overwhelming majority of police intereactions are actually of the helpful variety, not the type that unfortunately make the news.

This story on this thread is about bad apples. Condemn the bad ones, but let the other ones stand on their own merits.

You’re trying to hard to defend those who cover for bad cops.

Again: you have no proof that officers are inherently bad. That’s the only explanation that would work to explain how all your barrels would be spoiled. There is literally no proof, and you know it. I’m not defending “bad cops.” I’m defending people who went into this profession honorably who are now being held accountable for stuff that happens counties or states away.

If we go down this road, be prepared to talk about how all teachers are inherently bad, all doctors are inherently bad, etc. I can find bad in all groups of people, so if one bad apple spoils an entire profession…

You have no proof that they aren't inherently bad. For the sake of argument, maybe your husband is a "good" cop but if he was with other cops who stopped a black man for no reason other than the color of his skin and who put him in a choke hold, what would your husband do? Would he tell his fellow cops to stop? Would he report them? We all know that he would do absolutely nothing

I’m not taking your bait. No, “we all” don’t know that. I also know that regional statistics in the DMV area also don’t support your bias and hate. Your tone alone suggests that no data, nor documented anecdotes, will change your mind. I’ve been down this road on DCUM before and have noticed that people who want to hate will simply continue to hate, no matter how unwarranted their feelings may be.

To get this thread back on track: condemn the officers who should be condemned. Don’t blame 800,000 for the actions of a few.

It would appear that you, indeed, did take my bait. Other than Serpico, how many cops have reported bad cops?

More than you can imagine, but then their career is over.

Which only goes to show that the police force is rotten and needs to be reorganized and cleansed by people from outside the field.

[Anonymous]

“ItS jUsT a FeW bAd ApPlEs.” Different side of the coin, same issue:

“Fanone resigned from the D.C. police late last year, saying fellow officers turned on him for speaking so publicly about the Capitol attack and former president Donald Trump’s role in it. In court Tuesday, Fanone confronted his attacker directly, telling Young, “I hope you suffer.”” https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/27/kyle-young-jan6-fanone-sentence/

So let me get this straight, it’s just a few bad apples, so few bad apples that a man who dedicated twenty years of his life to serving his country and his government was turned on by his fellow officers. For speaking the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:The Aurora police dept is an abomination. Weren't they the same who dragged the little girls out of a car because they assumed it couldn't belong to black people. They were forced to lie face down on asphalt with guns drawn on them. The car wasn't even the make and model that was reported stolen.

There was also video 2 black women took in their apt complex of a 2 cops trying to detain a white woman in a car. The white woman refused to stop and the cops were befuddled. An young black male walks by and the cops dropped dealing with the woman and began hassling him and tried to detain him. The women walked over and let the officers know they had recorded everything and they had no right to stop the young man. He was clearly terrified. One of the cops literally turned around and took off when he saw he was being recorded. The other followed.

There is so much more.

Citation please. There are over 700 officers working for Aurora PD if you didn't know.

Do you know the phrase “a few bad apples spoils the bunch”? Probably not, and if you do, you probably don’t understand what it means. You see, back in the olden times, apples were stored in barrels and if even one or two apples went bad, soon the whole barrel would be rotten. It’s the same thing in policing. How many covert or overt acts of racism by the police have occurred where McClain was murdered? How many “good” cops looked the other way? How many “good” supervisors quietly squashed stories or investigations to protect the bad cops? How many good cops were retaliated against? Now repeat that across the country. There’s no accountability. Black people are just left to dangle on their own, their stories pretty unbelieved or waved away.

We need the police. We need a police force that works for everyone, not just to the benefit of some.

My husband is a police officer. He has been criticized for not doing more to turn in bad cops, even though he has logically and clearly explained that he works on a shift of 5... all honest, hard-working officers who consciously try to make good decisions. He was once accused openly in front of many people for not stopping something that happened across his county among officers he doesn't even know. There are 1,800 officers in his department. He is apparently personally responsible for what all of them do, regardless of whether or not he has ever met them.

That's the problem with your "bad apples" analogy that you try so hard to insult a PP above. Those apples are stored in MANY different barrels. The apples in barrel #245 are not responsible for the applies in barrel #742, but yet that's exactly the mindset we are using when we judge police today. You are only assuming there are legions of "good" cops looking the other way and "good" supervisors squashing stories. Data actually suggests otherwise, especially when you look at use-of-force statistics. The overwhelming majority of police intereactions are actually of the helpful variety, not the type that unfortunately make the news.

This story on this thread is about bad apples. Condemn the bad ones, but let the other ones stand on their own merits.

You’re trying to hard to defend those who cover for bad cops.

Again: you have no proof that officers are inherently bad. That’s the only explanation that would work to explain how all your barrels would be spoiled. There is literally no proof, and you know it. I’m not defending “bad cops.” I’m defending people who went into this profession honorably who are now being held accountable for stuff that happens counties or states away.

If we go down this road, be prepared to talk about how all teachers are inherently bad, all doctors are inherently bad, etc. I can find bad in all groups of people, so if one bad apple spoils an entire profession…

You have no proof that they aren't inherently bad. For the sake of argument, maybe your husband is a "good" cop but if he was with other cops who stopped a black man for no reason other than the color of his skin and who put him in a choke hold, what would your husband do? Would he tell his fellow cops to stop? Would he report them? We all know that he would do absolutely nothing

I’m not taking your bait. No, “we all” don’t know that. I also know that regional statistics in the DMV area also don’t support your bias and hate. Your tone alone suggests that no data, nor documented anecdotes, will change your mind. I’ve been down this road on DCUM before and have noticed that people who want to hate will simply continue to hate, no matter how unwarranted their feelings may be.

To get this thread back on track: condemn the officers who should be condemned. Don’t blame 800,000 for the actions of a few.

It would appear that you, indeed, did take my bait. Other than Serpico, how many cops have reported bad cops?

More than you can imagine, but then their career is over.

Which only goes to show that the police force is rotten and needs to be reorganized and cleansed by people from outside the field.

Me again.

Does anyone remember the LAPD officer who was killed during training exercises earlier this year? It turns out that he was investigating four officers for gang raping a woman. According to her accusation, they were all in uniform and wearing their name tags. Now the deceased officer’s mother alleges that her son didn’t die in an accident, but was beaten to death. At least one of the officers being investigated for the rapes was present at the officer’s death. (Excuse the spelling errors in the article; it’s originally from the Independent but you’d think no one proof read it) https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/family-lapd-officer-killed-training-205811305.html

WTF is the FBI? Why does the police union have a stranglehold on America?

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Anonymous wrote:The Aurora police dept is an abomination. Weren't they the same who dragged the little girls out of a car because they assumed it couldn't belong to black people. They were forced to lie face down on asphalt with guns drawn on them. The car wasn't even the make and model that was reported stolen.

There was also video 2 black women took in their apt complex of a 2 cops trying to detain a white woman in a car. The white woman refused to stop and the cops were befuddled. An young black male walks by and the cops dropped dealing with the woman and began hassling him and tried to detain him. The women walked over and let the officers know they had recorded everything and they had no right to stop the young man. He was clearly terrified. One of the cops literally turned around and took off when he saw he was being recorded. The other followed.

There is so much more.

Citation please. There are over 700 officers working for Aurora PD if you didn't know.

Do you know the phrase “a few bad apples spoils the bunch”? Probably not, and if you do, you probably don’t understand what it means. You see, back in the olden times, apples were stored in barrels and if even one or two apples went bad, soon the whole barrel would be rotten. It’s the same thing in policing. How many covert or overt acts of racism by the police have occurred where McClain was murdered? How many “good” cops looked the other way? How many “good” supervisors quietly squashed stories or investigations to protect the bad cops? How many good cops were retaliated against? Now repeat that across the country. There’s no accountability. Black people are just left to dangle on their own, their stories pretty unbelieved or waved away.

We need the police. We need a police force that works for everyone, not just to the benefit of some.

My husband is a police officer. He has been criticized for not doing more to turn in bad cops, even though he has logically and clearly explained that he works on a shift of 5... all honest, hard-working officers who consciously try to make good decisions. He was once accused openly in front of many people for not stopping something that happened across his county among officers he doesn't even know. There are 1,800 officers in his department. He is apparently personally responsible for what all of them do, regardless of whether or not he has ever met them.

That's the problem with your "bad apples" analogy that you try so hard to insult a PP above. Those apples are stored in MANY different barrels. The apples in barrel #245 are not responsible for the applies in barrel #742, but yet that's exactly the mindset we are using when we judge police today. You are only assuming there are legions of "good" cops looking the other way and "good" supervisors squashing stories. Data actually suggests otherwise, especially when you look at use-of-force statistics. The overwhelming majority of police intereactions are actually of the helpful variety, not the type that unfortunately make the news.

This story on this thread is about bad apples. Condemn the bad ones, but let the other ones stand on their own merits.

You’re trying to hard to defend those who cover for bad cops.

Again: you have no proof that officers are inherently bad. That’s the only explanation that would work to explain how all your barrels would be spoiled. There is literally no proof, and you know it. I’m not defending “bad cops.” I’m defending people who went into this profession honorably who are now being held accountable for stuff that happens counties or states away.

If we go down this road, be prepared to talk about how all teachers are inherently bad, all doctors are inherently bad, etc. I can find bad in all groups of people, so if one bad apple spoils an entire profession…

You have no proof that they aren't inherently bad. For the sake of argument, maybe your husband is a "good" cop but if he was with other cops who stopped a black man for no reason other than the color of his skin and who put him in a choke hold, what would your husband do? Would he tell his fellow cops to stop? Would he report them? We all know that he would do absolutely nothing

I’m not taking your bait. No, “we all” don’t know that. I also know that regional statistics in the DMV area also don’t support your bias and hate. Your tone alone suggests that no data, nor documented anecdotes, will change your mind. I’ve been down this road on DCUM before and have noticed that people who want to hate will simply continue to hate, no matter how unwarranted their feelings may be.

To get this thread back on track: condemn the officers who should be condemned. Don’t blame 800,000 for the actions of a few.

It would appear that you, indeed, did take my bait. Other than Serpico, how many cops have reported bad cops?

More than you can imagine, but then their career is over.

Which only goes to show that the police force is rotten and needs to be reorganized and cleansed by people from outside the field.

Me again.

Does anyone remember the LAPD officer who was killed during training exercises earlier this year? It turns out that he was investigating four officers for gang raping a woman. According to her accusation, they were all in uniform and wearing their name tags. Now the deceased officer’s mother alleges that her son didn’t die in an accident, but was beaten to death. At least one of the officers being investigated for the rapes was present at the officer’s death. (Excuse the spelling errors in the article; it’s originally from the Independent but you’d think no one proof read it) https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/family-lapd-officer-killed-training-205811305.html

WTF is the FBI? Why does the police union have a stranglehold on America?

That story is insane. He supposed died during a bicycle training exercise. WTF?!?!

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Anonymous wrote:18:18 again.

Just a few days ago a Colorado police officer parked his cruiser, with a suspect in it, on train tracks. The cruiser and the woman inside were hit by a train. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-train-hits-police-car-woman-handcuffed-back-seat-fort-lupton-colorado/

Parks her on train tracks. On train tracks. Presumably the place where everyone knows not to park and he left a suspect parked there.

This is truly awful. However I am hoping it was just stupidity on the officers' part, and not intentional.

Unlike this guy who broke the arm of a dementia patient and then laughed about it.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/former-officer-sentenced-arrest-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-that-broke-her-arm/WVRABH3HTZDEVK6T6RVLQ4QLWU/

Bet the cops wife poster will bend over backwards to defend this.

Sigh. No. I know a couple posters here would like me to, but as I have repeatedly said, I do not condone the horrific actions of some officers.

I simply don’t cast aspersions at wide groups of people. I don’t spit on or threaten officers as they go about their days doing their jobs, which has happened several times to my husband. I assume that’s acceptable behavior to a couple posters here. He just deserves it, correct?

I don’t hold police solely responsible for society’s faults. I also know, based on many interactions, volunteer experiences, and participation in community policing initiatives, that there is a lot of good work being done in communities. Instead of making things harder for everyone (police and citizens alike) by intentionally demeaning and denigrating people trying to be good officers and citizens, I choose to help.

I’m saddened by the fact that simply saying something positive caused so much hatred and hostility. I did notice that statistics I posted about use-of-force and police training did not receive angry retorts, which I take to mean that the facts were generally accepted. I wonder, then, why the hate?

You’re welcome to answer, but I’m done responding. This puts hate into the world, and that’s not my thing.

No, you consider them part of your tribe so you "feel bad" when good cops aren't recognized despite the bad apples even when the topic is not about the good cops but the bad apples. Somehow you feel compelled to always talk about the good apples during this time. Do you ever stop to think why? Same thing happened to me with a friend who needed us all to understand that there were good priests when abuse allegations came out and me as a survivor of child sex abuse and the same religion could see right through it. You feel somewhat bad but not as much as you feel bad for cops not being recognized for their good works and on top of it all is your fear that this will harm the reputation of good cops and will make their job harder. In fact it's very obvious that you do lump all cops together because you are the one lumping the good cops with the bad cops and defending them, not the other way round. You are the one who feels you have to make this about good cops too. It's simply a hierarchical issue and a habit for you just like it is with all people that divert away from talking about other abuses. Top of your list is support cops and everything else comes below.

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Is the Aurora police department particularly bad? They seem to have a string of awful arrests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:18:18 again.

Just a few days ago a Colorado police officer parked his cruiser, with a suspect in it, on train tracks. The cruiser and the woman inside were hit by a train. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-train-hits-police-car-woman-handcuffed-back-seat-fort-lupton-colorado/

Parks her on train tracks. On train tracks. Presumably the place where everyone knows not to park and he left a suspect parked there.

This is truly awful. However I am hoping it was just stupidity on the officers' part, and not intentional.

Unlike this guy who broke the arm of a dementia patient and then laughed about it.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/former-officer-sentenced-arrest-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-that-broke-her-arm/WVRABH3HTZDEVK6T6RVLQ4QLWU/

Bet the cops wife poster will bend over backwards to defend this.

Sigh. No. I know a couple posters here would like me to, but as I have repeatedly said, I do not condone the horrific actions of some officers.

I simply don’t cast aspersions at wide groups of people. I don’t spit on or threaten officers as they go about their days doing their jobs, which has happened several times to my husband. I assume that’s acceptable behavior to a couple posters here. He just deserves it, correct?

I don’t hold police solely responsible for society’s faults. I also know, based on many interactions, volunteer experiences, and participation in community policing initiatives, that there is a lot of good work being done in communities. Instead of making things harder for everyone (police and citizens alike) by intentionally demeaning and denigrating people trying to be good officers and citizens, I choose to help.

I’m saddened by the fact that simply saying something positive caused so much hatred and hostility. I did notice that statistics I posted about use-of-force and police training did not receive angry retorts, which I take to mean that the facts were generally accepted. I wonder, then, why the hate?

You’re welcome to answer, but I’m done responding. This puts hate into the world, and that’s not my thing.

No, you consider them part of your tribe so you "feel bad" when good cops aren't recognized despite the bad apples even when the topic is not about the good cops but the bad apples. Somehow you feel compelled to always talk about the good apples during this time. Do you ever stop to think why? Same thing happened to me with a friend who needed us all to understand that there were good priests when abuse allegations came out and me as a survivor of child sex abuse and the same religion could see right through it. You feel somewhat bad but not as much as you feel bad for cops not being recognized for their good works and on top of it all is your fear that this will harm the reputation of good cops and will make their job harder. In fact it's very obvious that you do lump all cops together because you are the one lumping the good cops with the bad cops and defending them, not the other way round. You are the one who feels you have to make this about good cops too. It's simply a hierarchical issue and a habit for you just like it is with all people that divert away from talking about other abuses. Top of your list is support cops and everything else comes below.

I’m the PP. Supporting cops is on my list, but nowhere near the top. I’m actually far more interested in education. Also, please go back through this thread and find statements I’ve made that defend bad cops. It’ll take you some time because I haven’t made any. In fact, I’ve repeatedly acknowledged there are bad cops. You’ll find plenty of those statements attributed to me.

The only opposing viewpoint I offered is that it’s okay to acknowledge there are good officers. Doing so doesn’t erase the impact of bad officers. I’m capable of holding two thoughts at once, as I suppose most people on this site are. That viewpoint, however, was quickly rejected by a few posters who subscribe to the “they are all bad apples” opinion.

[Anonymous]

Something is deeply broken in the police.

I don’t support defunding, but this is obviously intended to be intimidation and there are several more examples in the thread. Conservatives had a bird when people were peacefully protesting outside the Supreme Nuts’ houses; police officers actually have power to abuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Something is deeply broken in the police.

I don’t support defunding, but this is obviously intended to be intimidation and there are several more examples in the thread. Conservatives had a bird when people were peacefully protesting outside the Supreme Nuts’ houses; police officers actually have power to abuse.

Me again. Is there anyone who wants to defend this?