Three Officers and Two Paramedics Are Charged in Elijah McClain’s Death

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Anonymous wrote:The Aurora police dept is an abomination. Weren't they the same who dragged the little girls out of a car because they assumed it couldn't belong to black people. They were forced to lie face down on asphalt with guns drawn on them. The car wasn't even the make and model that was reported stolen.

There was also video 2 black women took in their apt complex of a 2 cops trying to detain a white woman in a car. The white woman refused to stop and the cops were befuddled. An young black male walks by and the cops dropped dealing with the woman and began hassling him and tried to detain him. The women walked over and let the officers know they had recorded everything and they had no right to stop the young man. He was clearly terrified. One of the cops literally turned around and took off when he saw he was being recorded. The other followed.

There is so much more.

Citation please. There are over 700 officers working for Aurora PD if you didn't know.

Do you know the phrase “a few bad apples spoils the bunch”? Probably not, and if you do, you probably don’t understand what it means. You see, back in the olden times, apples were stored in barrels and if even one or two apples went bad, soon the whole barrel would be rotten. It’s the same thing in policing. How many covert or overt acts of racism by the police have occurred where McClain was murdered? How many “good” cops looked the other way? How many “good” supervisors quietly squashed stories or investigations to protect the bad cops? How many good cops were retaliated against? Now repeat that across the country. There’s no accountability. Black people are just left to dangle on their own, their stories pretty unbelieved or waved away.

We need the police. We need a police force that works for everyone, not just to the benefit of some.

My husband is a police officer. He has been criticized for not doing more to turn in bad cops, even though he has logically and clearly explained that he works on a shift of 5... all honest, hard-working officers who consciously try to make good decisions. He was once accused openly in front of many people for not stopping something that happened across his county among officers he doesn't even know. There are 1,800 officers in his department. He is apparently personally responsible for what all of them do, regardless of whether or not he has ever met them.

That's the problem with your "bad apples" analogy that you try so hard to insult a PP above. Those apples are stored in MANY different barrels. The apples in barrel #245 are not responsible for the applies in barrel #742, but yet that's exactly the mindset we are using when we judge police today. You are only assuming there are legions of "good" cops looking the other way and "good" supervisors squashing stories. Data actually suggests otherwise, especially when you look at use-of-force statistics. The overwhelming majority of police intereactions are actually of the helpful variety, not the type that unfortunately make the news.

This story on this thread is about bad apples. Condemn the bad ones, but let the other ones stand on their own merits.

You’re trying to hard to defend those who cover for bad cops.

Again: you have no proof that officers are inherently bad. That’s the only explanation that would work to explain how all your barrels would be spoiled. There is literally no proof, and you know it. I’m not defending “bad cops.” I’m defending people who went into this profession honorably who are now being held accountable for stuff that happens counties or states away.

If we go down this road, be prepared to talk about how all teachers are inherently bad, all doctors are inherently bad, etc. I can find bad in all groups of people, so if one bad apple spoils an entire profession…

You have no proof that they aren't inherently bad. For the sake of argument, maybe your husband is a "good" cop but if he was with other cops who stopped a black man for no reason other than the color of his skin and who put him in a choke hold, what would your husband do? Would he tell his fellow cops to stop? Would he report them? We all know that he would do absolutely nothing

I’m not taking your bait. No, “we all” don’t know that. I also know that regional statistics in the DMV area also don’t support your bias and hate. Your tone alone suggests that no data, nor documented anecdotes, will change your mind. I’ve been down this road on DCUM before and have noticed that people who want to hate will simply continue to hate, no matter how unwarranted their feelings may be.

To get this thread back on track: condemn the officers who should be condemned. Don’t blame 800,000 for the actions of a few.

Honest questions: do you think the cops that did this thought they could get away with it because they were cops? I cant imagine doing something like that- surrounded by other people and plentiful evidence- and think that I was 1) doing the right thing and 2) if I thought it was wrong, not thinking I wouldnt get caught and YET......this is where the birth and culture of policing in America is most of the problem and it has only gotten worse by the militarization of the policing in America.

I can’t presume to know what went through their minds. I’ve already stated above that I don’t condone their actions. What I also don’t condone is the blanket “all police are bad” nonsense in which certain posters on DCUM love to engage. It’s this type of misplaced anger that puts good officers in danger. Look at local police departments. They are severely understaffed, so officers are responding to calls without sufficient backup. They are working extra shifts, so they are regularly tired. My husband had been spit on for doing nothing more than getting out of his car. He has been pulled away from helping others, including administering first aid, by “well meaning” people. He has had threats put on his car. He is not the enemy.

Your questions above insinuate that he is, that somehow merely suggesting that officers are not a monolith somehow is equal to supporting the actions of officers that day.

I don’t operate that way. I don’t make assumptions about groups of people.

Cool story. Policing in america is dysfuctional, add in the well documented racism and there you have it . Your anecdote is garbage next to the data.

I’ve placed data here on DCUM before, including local and national data, that shows police interactions overwhelmingly end without incident. For most jurisdictions, over 99.4% (on average) of these interactions contained no use of force. For those that do end in force, most (again over 90%) are deemed appropriate. These are the facts. Does bad policing happen? Absolutely. Should the majority of officers who are contributing positively take the blame? Nope.

You say my anecdote is garbage. If you’re comfortable with abusing people who don’t deserve abuse, then that’s unfortunate and there’s nothing I can say to change your mind.

NP. To my knowledge no uniformed policeman has been overdosed with ketemine. No uniformed policeman has been stopped because he is black. No uniformed policeman has ever been pulled over because he was driving an expensive car. Chauvin wished George Floyd's children the "best". Whoop-de-do!

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are generally hard situations where officers make a bad decision and then there are cases like this that are just so shocking that it would appear to me that all policing is fundamentally sick on some level. This is one of those cases.

This case has shades of Kelly Thomas but the dirt bag cops got a not guilty verdict there on worse facts for the cops.

I think that whatever presumption or benefit of the doubt police are legally getting needs to be walked back if this kind of situation keeps happening.

And it DOES keep happening. It does. Black innocent or black people guilty, at best, of misdemeanors keep getting murdered by police.

Not every person in the Washington Post database of gunshot victims of the police is Black and some are probably “justified,” but this paragraph should be instructive for the cop’s wife whose spouse and his colleagues can do no wrong (italics mine):

“After Michael Brown, an unarmed Black man, was killed in 2014 by police in Ferguson, Mo., a Post investigation found that the FBI undercounted fatal police shootings by more than half. This is because reporting by police departments is voluntary and many departments fail to do so.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

There. is. a. problem. and police and their advocates pretending that there is not is entrenching the problem. “Although half of the people shot and killed by police are White, Black Americans are shot at a disproportionate rate. They account for less than 13 percent of the U.S. population, but are killed by police at more than twice the rate of White Americans. Hispanic Americans are also killed by police at a disproportionate rate.” And that database doesn’t even count the people who are killed by the police or their actions like George Floyd, Sandra Bland and Elijah McClain, nor does it cover other sorts of police abuse of their power like planting evidence and raping people. Daniel Holtzclaw is an extreme example, but he’s probably not the only one.

But sure. The police force is a pure as the driven snow and anyone with any evidence to the contrary is crazy or something.

Officer's wife here. Literally NOBODY, including me, is saying that a police force is as "pure as the driven snow." Let's stop the hyperbole, shall we? It doesn't help your argument at all. I have already... repeatedly.. said that there are officer-involved shootings in which the officer is CLEARLY in the wrong. What I take great offense to is the notion that 800,000 officers should be held as inherently bad because of the actions of the few.

There were 1,021 officer-involved shootings in 2021, of which 32 were of unarmed citizens. (This information came from the Washington Post database.) That's in a population of over 333,000,000. There are over 800,000 police officers in the United States, and the majority of them have not even touched a weapon in months except for mandatory training. Over 99% of police interactions have no use-of-force. Do horrific shootings occur? Of course. Nobody... again: nobody... is denying that. The issue I have is with blatantly ignoring the facts and assuming officers are evil. It's not true and it's actually dangerous rhetoric that leads to understaffed shifts.

I've said this before: you are welcome to hate police, but if you post inaccurate information, I will be here to correct it.

Different poster here.

How about focusing on the innocent people who keep dying in horrific ways at the hands of police? How about posting about how to stop that?

The issues are happening across the country. There is something in the filtering mechanism or in the system of policing or in the ways our laws have given officers enough benefit of the doubt that these kinds of things keep happening and it is tragic and need to be reformed. One Kelly Thomas or Elijah McClain is one too many. I understand that law enforcement is a thankless job and most cops just want to do a good job and go home to their families at the end of the day. I assure that I’m probably closer to flying a blue lives matter flag than you would ever guess but enough is enough.

Stop coming in here to explain “not all cops” and focus on why totally innocent and harmless people keeping dying at the hands of police. We’re six years removed from Philando Castile. How does this keep happening?

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are generally hard situations where officers make a bad decision and then there are cases like this that are just so shocking that it would appear to me that all policing is fundamentally sick on some level. This is one of those cases.

This case has shades of Kelly Thomas but the dirt bag cops got a not guilty verdict there on worse facts for the cops.

I think that whatever presumption or benefit of the doubt police are legally getting needs to be walked back if this kind of situation keeps happening.

And it DOES keep happening. It does. Black innocent or black people guilty, at best, of misdemeanors keep getting murdered by police.

Not every person in the Washington Post database of gunshot victims of the police is Black and some are probably “justified,” but this paragraph should be instructive for the cop’s wife whose spouse and his colleagues can do no wrong (italics mine):

“After Michael Brown, an unarmed Black man, was killed in 2014 by police in Ferguson, Mo., a Post investigation found that the FBI undercounted fatal police shootings by more than half. This is because reporting by police departments is voluntary and many departments fail to do so.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

There. is. a. problem. and police and their advocates pretending that there is not is entrenching the problem. “Although half of the people shot and killed by police are White, Black Americans are shot at a disproportionate rate. They account for less than 13 percent of the U.S. population, but are killed by police at more than twice the rate of White Americans. Hispanic Americans are also killed by police at a disproportionate rate.” And that database doesn’t even count the people who are killed by the police or their actions like George Floyd, Sandra Bland and Elijah McClain, nor does it cover other sorts of police abuse of their power like planting evidence and raping people. Daniel Holtzclaw is an extreme example, but he’s probably not the only one.

But sure. The police force is a pure as the driven snow and anyone with any evidence to the contrary is crazy or something.

Officer's wife here. Literally NOBODY, including me, is saying that a police force is as "pure as the driven snow." Let's stop the hyperbole, shall we? It doesn't help your argument at all. I have already... repeatedly.. said that there are officer-involved shootings in which the officer is CLEARLY in the wrong. What I take great offense to is the notion that 800,000 officers should be held as inherently bad because of the actions of the few.

There were 1,021 officer-involved shootings in 2021, of which 32 were of unarmed citizens. (This information came from the Washington Post database.) That's in a population of over 333,000,000. There are over 800,000 police officers in the United States, and the majority of them have not even touched a weapon in months except for mandatory training. Over 99% of police interactions have no use-of-force. Do horrific shootings occur? Of course. Nobody... again: nobody... is denying that. The issue I have is with blatantly ignoring the facts and assuming officers are evil. It's not true and it's actually dangerous rhetoric that leads to understaffed shifts.

I've said this before: you are welcome to hate police, but if you post inaccurate information, I will be here to correct it.

Honestly, lady, lol. You have been on here trying to claim that the police forces in this country aren’t riddled with violent and racist people who abuse their power. You refuse to acknowledge that “good” cops looking the other way does, in fact, make them bad cops. You seem like a nice enough person but I don’t think you have any distance on this issue nor can you step back and examine how the experience of policing looks and feels for people in those communities who get brutalized in a way that you, a wife of a police officer, and I, a White upper middle class woman, are hugely unlikely to ever experience.

Breonna Taylor and Amir Locke say hello.

Nope, I’m sorry. I will not hate people because somebody on DCUM told me to. You’re argument rests on a fallacy: that officers routinely look the other way. Where’s your proof, other than a strong desire to make somebody (anybody?) responsible for society’s ills?

If you want to view the world through an “inherently evil” lens, that is your choice. The world may be better served if you do something to make it better, however. Volunteer through a citizen’s academy. Attend community policing activities. Do ride-alongs. Participate in their service opportunities and help communities. Get to know your local police department. I am 100% confident you won’t be so quick to condemn them all once you meet them.

You are condemning some good people who are working toward change. Seems counterproductive to me.

If only that theory held for the citizens that police officers serve.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are generally hard situations where officers make a bad decision and then there are cases like this that are just so shocking that it would appear to me that all policing is fundamentally sick on some level. This is one of those cases.

This case has shades of Kelly Thomas but the dirt bag cops got a not guilty verdict there on worse facts for the cops.

I think that whatever presumption or benefit of the doubt police are legally getting needs to be walked back if this kind of situation keeps happening.

And it DOES keep happening. It does. Black innocent or black people guilty, at best, of misdemeanors keep getting murdered by police.

Not every person in the Washington Post database of gunshot victims of the police is Black and some are probably “justified,” but this paragraph should be instructive for the cop’s wife whose spouse and his colleagues can do no wrong (italics mine):

“After Michael Brown, an unarmed Black man, was killed in 2014 by police in Ferguson, Mo., a Post investigation found that the FBI undercounted fatal police shootings by more than half. This is because reporting by police departments is voluntary and many departments fail to do so.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

There. is. a. problem. and police and their advocates pretending that there is not is entrenching the problem. “Although half of the people shot and killed by police are White, Black Americans are shot at a disproportionate rate. They account for less than 13 percent of the U.S. population, but are killed by police at more than twice the rate of White Americans. Hispanic Americans are also killed by police at a disproportionate rate.” And that database doesn’t even count the people who are killed by the police or their actions like George Floyd, Sandra Bland and Elijah McClain, nor does it cover other sorts of police abuse of their power like planting evidence and raping people. Daniel Holtzclaw is an extreme example, but he’s probably not the only one.

But sure. The police force is a pure as the driven snow and anyone with any evidence to the contrary is crazy or something.

Officer's wife here. Literally NOBODY, including me, is saying that a police force is as "pure as the driven snow." Let's stop the hyperbole, shall we? It doesn't help your argument at all. I have already... repeatedly.. said that there are officer-involved shootings in which the officer is CLEARLY in the wrong. What I take great offense to is the notion that 800,000 officers should be held as inherently bad because of the actions of the few.

There were 1,021 officer-involved shootings in 2021, of which 32 were of unarmed citizens. (This information came from the Washington Post database.) That's in a population of over 333,000,000. There are over 800,000 police officers in the United States, and the majority of them have not even touched a weapon in months except for mandatory training. Over 99% of police interactions have no use-of-force. Do horrific shootings occur? Of course. Nobody... again: nobody... is denying that. The issue I have is with blatantly ignoring the facts and assuming officers are evil. It's not true and it's actually dangerous rhetoric that leads to understaffed shifts.

I've said this before: you are welcome to hate police, but if you post inaccurate information, I will be here to correct it.

NP. Here’s the thing. It’s not just about shooting unarmed black people. There are many ways racism and unethical behavior pervades the justice system. The police aren’t bad apples only when they murder people without cause.

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My God. What is wrong with people? JFC
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/officers-in-photos-near-elijah-mcclain-memorial-fired/index.html

Laughingly reenacting their murder of this kid?

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Anonymous wrote:The Aurora police dept is an abomination. Weren't they the same who dragged the little girls out of a car because they assumed it couldn't belong to black people. They were forced to lie face down on asphalt with guns drawn on them. The car wasn't even the make and model that was reported stolen.

There was also video 2 black women took in their apt complex of a 2 cops trying to detain a white woman in a car. The white woman refused to stop and the cops were befuddled. An young black male walks by and the cops dropped dealing with the woman and began hassling him and tried to detain him. The women walked over and let the officers know they had recorded everything and they had no right to stop the young man. He was clearly terrified. One of the cops literally turned around and took off when he saw he was being recorded. The other followed.

There is so much more.

Citation please. There are over 700 officers working for Aurora PD if you didn't know.

Do you know the phrase “a few bad apples spoils the bunch”? Probably not, and if you do, you probably don’t understand what it means. You see, back in the olden times, apples were stored in barrels and if even one or two apples went bad, soon the whole barrel would be rotten. It’s the same thing in policing. How many covert or overt acts of racism by the police have occurred where McClain was murdered? How many “good” cops looked the other way? How many “good” supervisors quietly squashed stories or investigations to protect the bad cops? How many good cops were retaliated against? Now repeat that across the country. There’s no accountability. Black people are just left to dangle on their own, their stories pretty unbelieved or waved away.

We need the police. We need a police force that works for everyone, not just to the benefit of some.

My husband is a police officer. He has been criticized for not doing more to turn in bad cops, even though he has logically and clearly explained that he works on a shift of 5... all honest, hard-working officers who consciously try to make good decisions. He was once accused openly in front of many people for not stopping something that happened across his county among officers he doesn't even know. There are 1,800 officers in his department. He is apparently personally responsible for what all of them do, regardless of whether or not he has ever met them.

That's the problem with your "bad apples" analogy that you try so hard to insult a PP above. Those apples are stored in MANY different barrels. The apples in barrel #245 are not responsible for the applies in barrel #742, but yet that's exactly the mindset we are using when we judge police today. You are only assuming there are legions of "good" cops looking the other way and "good" supervisors squashing stories. Data actually suggests otherwise, especially when you look at use-of-force statistics. The overwhelming majority of police intereactions are actually of the helpful variety, not the type that unfortunately make the news.

This story on this thread is about bad apples. Condemn the bad ones, but let the other ones stand on their own merits.

You’re trying to hard to defend those who cover for bad cops.

Again: you have no proof that officers are inherently bad. That’s the only explanation that would work to explain how all your barrels would be spoiled. There is literally no proof, and you know it. I’m not defending “bad cops.” I’m defending people who went into this profession honorably who are now being held accountable for stuff that happens counties or states away.

If we go down this road, be prepared to talk about how all teachers are inherently bad, all doctors are inherently bad, etc. I can find bad in all groups of people, so if one bad apple spoils an entire profession…

You have no proof that they aren't inherently bad. For the sake of argument, maybe your husband is a "good" cop but if he was with other cops who stopped a black man for no reason other than the color of his skin and who put him in a choke hold, what would your husband do? Would he tell his fellow cops to stop? Would he report them? We all know that he would do absolutely nothing

I’m not taking your bait. No, “we all” don’t know that. I also know that regional statistics in the DMV area also don’t support your bias and hate. Your tone alone suggests that no data, nor documented anecdotes, will change your mind. I’ve been down this road on DCUM before and have noticed that people who want to hate will simply continue to hate, no matter how unwarranted their feelings may be.

To get this thread back on track: condemn the officers who should be condemned. Don’t blame 800,000 for the actions of a few.

Honest questions: do you think the cops that did this thought they could get away with it because they were cops? I cant imagine doing something like that- surrounded by other people and plentiful evidence- and think that I was 1) doing the right thing and 2) if I thought it was wrong, not thinking I wouldnt get caught and YET......this is where the birth and culture of policing in America is most of the problem and it has only gotten worse by the militarization of the policing in America.

I can’t presume to know what went through their minds. I’ve already stated above that I don’t condone their actions. What I also don’t condone is the blanket “all police are bad” nonsense in which certain posters on DCUM love to engage. It’s this type of misplaced anger that puts good officers in danger. Look at local police departments. They are severely understaffed, so officers are responding to calls without sufficient backup. They are working extra shifts, so they are regularly tired. My husband had been spit on for doing nothing more than getting out of his car. He has been pulled away from helping others, including administering first aid, by “well meaning” people. He has had threats put on his car. He is not the enemy.

Your questions above insinuate that he is, that somehow merely suggesting that officers are not a monolith somehow is equal to supporting the actions of officers that day.

I don’t operate that way. I don’t make assumptions about groups of people.

Cool story. Policing in america is dysfuctional, add in the well documented racism and there you have it . Your anecdote is garbage next to the data.

I’ve placed data here on DCUM before, including local and national data, that shows police interactions overwhelmingly end without incident. For most jurisdictions, over 99.4% (on average) of these interactions contained no use of force. For those that do end in force, most (again over 90%) are deemed appropriate. These are the facts. Does bad policing happen? Absolutely. Should the majority of officers who are contributing positively take the blame? Nope.

You say my anecdote is garbage. If you’re comfortable with abusing people who don’t deserve abuse, then that’s unfortunate and there’s nothing I can say to change your mind.

Why do police wear a uniform? What is the symbolism behind a badge?

It’s to demonstrate unity and erase any sense of the individual. In the police academy a whole class can be punished for the actions of one cadet. Everything about the police as an institution is designed to reinforce this sense of collective duty and responsibility. It is completely hypocritical for police officers to ignore these aspects of their own institution just so that they can shirk responsibility and play martyr.

This is such a tremendous reach of an argument. You are aware that officers are tested as individuals during the academy, correct? That this occurs both with role-play scenarios and paper/pen tests? You’re also aware that they are judged individually as part of the FTO process? And that they receive regular, individual evaluations? They do not “erase any sense of the individual.” Your post suggests that your knowledge of academies comes from social media and/or movies.

Also, where is the shirking of responsibility and the playing martyrdom? I’ve looked over this thread and have seen none of that.

You’re welcome to hate police for no other reason than the fact they are police, of course. Just expect someone to call you on inaccurate or malicious statements.

Officers are tested ? Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah .

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Anonymous wrote:18:18 again.

Just a few days ago a Colorado police officer parked his cruiser, with a suspect in it, on train tracks. The cruiser and the woman inside were hit by a train. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-train-hits-police-car-woman-handcuffed-back-seat-fort-lupton-colorado/

Parks her on train tracks. On train tracks. Presumably the place where everyone knows not to park and he left a suspect parked there.

This is truly awful. However I am hoping it was just stupidity on the officers' part, and not intentional.

Unlike this guy who broke the arm of a dementia patient and then laughed about it.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/former-officer-sentenced-arrest-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-that-broke-her-arm/WVRABH3HTZDEVK6T6RVLQ4QLWU/

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Anonymous wrote:18:18 again.

Just a few days ago a Colorado police officer parked his cruiser, with a suspect in it, on train tracks. The cruiser and the woman inside were hit by a train. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-train-hits-police-car-woman-handcuffed-back-seat-fort-lupton-colorado/

Parks her on train tracks. On train tracks. Presumably the place where everyone knows not to park and he left a suspect parked there.

This is truly awful. However I am hoping it was just stupidity on the officers' part, and not intentional.

Unlike this guy who broke the arm of a dementia patient and then laughed about it.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/former-officer-sentenced-arrest-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-that-broke-her-arm/WVRABH3HTZDEVK6T6RVLQ4QLWU/

Anyone with an I.Q. of 80 knows that you NEVER park an automobile on railroad tracks! This had to be intentional and he should be tried for 1st degree murder and get the death penalty. If convicted. I say, IF, because far too many people think the police do no wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:18:18 again.

Just a few days ago a Colorado police officer parked his cruiser, with a suspect in it, on train tracks. The cruiser and the woman inside were hit by a train. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-train-hits-police-car-woman-handcuffed-back-seat-fort-lupton-colorado/

Parks her on train tracks. On train tracks. Presumably the place where everyone knows not to park and he left a suspect parked there.

This is truly awful. However I am hoping it was just stupidity on the officers' part, and not intentional.

Unlike this guy who broke the arm of a dementia patient and then laughed about it.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/former-officer-sentenced-arrest-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-that-broke-her-arm/WVRABH3HTZDEVK6T6RVLQ4QLWU/

Karma is real. The officers who roughed up the old lady in this story were having an affair. Both lost their jobs, broke up, got found guilty, jail time (he got 5 years) and his wife dumped him.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9529567/Colorado-cops-cheered-watching-footage-73-year-old-woman-romantic-relationship.html

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Anonymous wrote:18:18 again.

Just a few days ago a Colorado police officer parked his cruiser, with a suspect in it, on train tracks. The cruiser and the woman inside were hit by a train. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-train-hits-police-car-woman-handcuffed-back-seat-fort-lupton-colorado/

Parks her on train tracks. On train tracks. Presumably the place where everyone knows not to park and he left a suspect parked there.

This is truly awful. However I am hoping it was just stupidity on the officers' part, and not intentional.

Unlike this guy who broke the arm of a dementia patient and then laughed about it.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/former-officer-sentenced-arrest-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-that-broke-her-arm/WVRABH3HTZDEVK6T6RVLQ4QLWU/

Bet the cops wife poster will bend over backwards to defend this.

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Anonymous wrote:My God. What is wrong with people? JFC
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/officers-in-photos-near-elijah-mcclain-memorial-fired/index.html

Laughingly reenacting their murder of this kid?

Yup.

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Anonymous wrote:The Aurora police dept is an abomination. Weren't they the same who dragged the little girls out of a car because they assumed it couldn't belong to black people. They were forced to lie face down on asphalt with guns drawn on them. The car wasn't even the make and model that was reported stolen.

There was also video 2 black women took in their apt complex of a 2 cops trying to detain a white woman in a car. The white woman refused to stop and the cops were befuddled. An young black male walks by and the cops dropped dealing with the woman and began hassling him and tried to detain him. The women walked over and let the officers know they had recorded everything and they had no right to stop the young man. He was clearly terrified. One of the cops literally turned around and took off when he saw he was being recorded. The other followed.

There is so much more.

Citation please. There are over 700 officers working for Aurora PD if you didn't know.

Do you know the phrase “a few bad apples spoils the bunch”? Probably not, and if you do, you probably don’t understand what it means. You see, back in the olden times, apples were stored in barrels and if even one or two apples went bad, soon the whole barrel would be rotten. It’s the same thing in policing. How many covert or overt acts of racism by the police have occurred where McClain was murdered? How many “good” cops looked the other way? How many “good” supervisors quietly squashed stories or investigations to protect the bad cops? How many good cops were retaliated against? Now repeat that across the country. There’s no accountability. Black people are just left to dangle on their own, their stories pretty unbelieved or waved away.

We need the police. We need a police force that works for everyone, not just to the benefit of some.

My husband is a police officer. He has been criticized for not doing more to turn in bad cops, even though he has logically and clearly explained that he works on a shift of 5... all honest, hard-working officers who consciously try to make good decisions. He was once accused openly in front of many people for not stopping something that happened across his county among officers he doesn't even know. There are 1,800 officers in his department. He is apparently personally responsible for what all of them do, regardless of whether or not he has ever met them.

That's the problem with your "bad apples" analogy that you try so hard to insult a PP above. Those apples are stored in MANY different barrels. The apples in barrel #245 are not responsible for the applies in barrel #742, but yet that's exactly the mindset we are using when we judge police today. You are only assuming there are legions of "good" cops looking the other way and "good" supervisors squashing stories. Data actually suggests otherwise, especially when you look at use-of-force statistics. The overwhelming majority of police intereactions are actually of the helpful variety, not the type that unfortunately make the news.

This story on this thread is about bad apples. Condemn the bad ones, but let the other ones stand on their own merits.

Use that same energy about black people these bad cops are killing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My God. What is wrong with people? JFC
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/officers-in-photos-near-elijah-mcclain-memorial-fired/index.html

Laughingly reenacting their murder of this kid?

I generally don’t believe in the death penalty, but I will make an exception for these officers.

And there is a special place in hell for the police union officials defending them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:18:18 again.

Just a few days ago a Colorado police officer parked his cruiser, with a suspect in it, on train tracks. The cruiser and the woman inside were hit by a train. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-train-hits-police-car-woman-handcuffed-back-seat-fort-lupton-colorado/

Parks her on train tracks. On train tracks. Presumably the place where everyone knows not to park and he left a suspect parked there.

This is truly awful. However I am hoping it was just stupidity on the officers' part, and not intentional.

Unlike this guy who broke the arm of a dementia patient and then laughed about it.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/former-officer-sentenced-arrest-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-that-broke-her-arm/WVRABH3HTZDEVK6T6RVLQ4QLWU/

Bet the cops wife poster will bend over backwards to defend this.

Sigh. No. I know a couple posters here would like me to, but as I have repeatedly said, I do not condone the horrific actions of some officers.

I simply don’t cast aspersions at wide groups of people. I don’t spit on or threaten officers as they go about their days doing their jobs, which has happened several times to my husband. I assume that’s acceptable behavior to a couple posters here. He just deserves it, correct?

I don’t hold police solely responsible for society’s faults. I also know, based on many interactions, volunteer experiences, and participation in community policing initiatives, that there is a lot of good work being done in communities. Instead of making things harder for everyone (police and citizens alike) by intentionally demeaning and denigrating people trying to be good officers and citizens, I choose to help.

I’m saddened by the fact that simply saying something positive caused so much hatred and hostility. I did notice that statistics I posted about use-of-force and police training did not receive angry retorts, which I take to mean that the facts were generally accepted. I wonder, then, why the hate?

You’re welcome to answer, but I’m done responding. This puts hate into the world, and that’s not my thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:18:18 again.

Just a few days ago a Colorado police officer parked his cruiser, with a suspect in it, on train tracks. The cruiser and the woman inside were hit by a train. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-train-hits-police-car-woman-handcuffed-back-seat-fort-lupton-colorado/

Parks her on train tracks. On train tracks. Presumably the place where everyone knows not to park and he left a suspect parked there.

This is truly awful. However I am hoping it was just stupidity on the officers' part, and not intentional.

Unlike this guy who broke the arm of a dementia patient and then laughed about it.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/former-officer-sentenced-arrest-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-that-broke-her-arm/WVRABH3HTZDEVK6T6RVLQ4QLWU/

Bet the cops wife poster will bend over backwards to defend this.

Sigh. No. I know a couple posters here would like me to, but as I have repeatedly said, I do not condone the horrific actions of some officers.

I simply don’t cast aspersions at wide groups of people. I don’t spit on or threaten officers as they go about their days doing their jobs, which has happened several times to my husband. I assume that’s acceptable behavior to a couple posters here. He just deserves it, correct?

I don’t hold police solely responsible for society’s faults. I also know, based on many interactions, volunteer experiences, and participation in community policing initiatives, that there is a lot of good work being done in communities. Instead of making things harder for everyone (police and citizens alike) by intentionally demeaning and denigrating people trying to be good officers and citizens, I choose to help.

I’m saddened by the fact that simply saying something positive caused so much hatred and hostility. I did notice that statistics I posted about use-of-force and police training did not receive angry retorts, which I take to mean that the facts were generally accepted. I wonder, then, why the hate?

You’re welcome to answer, but I’m done responding. This puts hate into the world, and that’s not my thing.

Professional victim right here. I know you think you’re painting police in a positive light but your incessant nattering about how cops just aren’t that bad is painting you all in a worse light. I replied to your facts and figures and you reply with martyrdom, martyrdom you’re so deep into that you can’t even identify it as such. Like “I did notice that statistics I posted about use-of-force and police training did not receive angry retorts, which I take to mean that the facts were generally accepted. I wonder, then, why the hate?” I replied to two of your “statistics” posts with calm, fact based replies and you reply with “Nope, I’m sorry. I will not hate people because somebody on DCUM told me to.” No one told you to hate anyone, bub.

What you and all the other police force cheerleaders pretend not to see is that there are serious and deeply entrenched problems in police forces. Like the Oathkeepers who have been publicly identified. https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers-leaked-membership-rolls-2ca4195ed3a10e45dd189bf98f3e5a26 Like active white supremacists in police forces. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/prevalence-white-supremacists-law-enforcement-demands-drastic-change-2022-05-12/ Like the amount of force used against Black people and in Black neighborhoods. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

When you and your husband’s career line pretend you’re high and mighty and above reproach, guess what? Innocent Black people are going to continue to get murdered. Mentally ill people are going to continue to get injured and murdered. People with hearing problems are going to continue to get beat down. People are going to continue to have a can of pepper spray emptied in their face for attempting to follow disparate commands. But you don’t see a problem and you sure as shoot don’t respond honestly.

So in fact you’re correct. You are putting hate out there. Your instinct to not once again respond thoughtlessly, like a mynah bird, is the correct one. Don’t reply at all until you’ve actually read some of the dozen cites I know that I’ve posted. Don’t come back until you want to learn something, because your endless cheerleading of racism and problems in the force in the face of facts is beyond irritating, it’s pathological.