Drive by shooting at John Eaton in Cleveland Park today (construction site)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For an anti gun ownership kind of city, there is remarkably little reaction to actual gun crime

We’ll every time we pass gun control laws, Congress overturns them.

But also, yeah, we are too soft on crime and there need to be comprehensive programs to prevent young people in DC from getting involved in this crap in the first place. We need to approach it from all angles. Because DC is so segregated it’s easy for th e rich to tolerate it but they are the ones that have the power to change it across the city.

The rich aren’t tolerating anything. It’s the mayor and council who tolerate this kind of behavior. They have the power to change the law.

[Anonymous]

Is it still a federal crime to carry a firearm within 1000 feet if a school? Shouldn’t the perps face that federal charge in addition to any DC criminal law charges?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it still a federal crime to carry a firearm within 1000 feet if a school? Shouldn’t the perps face that federal charge in addition to any DC criminal law charges?

Most crimes in DC are already prosecuted by the US Attorney regardless. Carrying a gun in a school zone is probably a sentence enhancement to the attempted murder and conspiracy charges that the 4 arrested will certainly face. So these dummies are in big trouble no matter what.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it still a federal crime to carry a firearm within 1000 feet if a school? Shouldn’t the perps face that federal charge in addition to any DC criminal law charges?

Most crimes in DC are already prosecuted by the US Attorney regardless. Carrying a gun in a school zone is probably a sentence enhancement to the attempted murder and conspiracy charges that the 4 arrested will certainly face. So these dummies are in big trouble no matter what.

It's true that the US Attorney prosecutes violations of DC criminal law. But if there's a federal crime committed, they also have the ability to charge that. That can carry more jail time. It would be interesting to know if federal law is as lenient with a "juvenile" charged with a violent crime as is DC law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For an anti gun ownership kind of city, there is remarkably little reaction to actual gun crime

We’ll every time we pass gun control laws, Congress overturns them.

Do you have examples in the last decade? Can you cite which laws concerning sentencing for gun crime were reduced by Congress? I see none at all. The courts did nix DC total ban, even for law abiding citizens, who have had full background check, fingerprints, and training, who were banned from having even a revolver in a gun safe, which was a patently unconistutional DC law.

But where the rubber hits the road is gun crimes. It is the hard left constantly fighting for lower sentences and less prosecution of gun crimes in DC, for the really dangerous crime, the ones where people get injured or killed 1) FELON IN POSESSION, ADW and other violent crimes.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/12/986537208/advocates-say-how-gun-crimes-are-charged-in-washington-d-c-is-a-civil-rights-iss
https://wtop.com/dc/2020/04/dc-attorney-general-opposes-prosecution-of-local-gun-cases-in-federal-court/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it still a federal crime to carry a firearm within 1000 feet if a school? Shouldn’t the perps face that federal charge in addition to any DC criminal law charges?

DC has, by code, its own doubling enhancement for any gun crime, including unlawful possession within 1,000 feet of a school. DC almost never adds that DC enhancement.
And it is not illegal to carry within 1,000 feet of a school, but to illegally carry (ie not have a license), as well as to commit other actual crimes.

For example if you commit an assault with a firearm, armed robbery, mugging, or illegally posses or carry or any other firearm crime, DC code is supposed to double it. Racine's office almost never does this for possession or illegal carry since most under 25s illegally in possession are within 1,000' of a DC school, thereby converting the crime to a felony, and for some reason Racine does not want to bring felony charges for the cohort that commits the most gun crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For an anti gun ownership kind of city, there is remarkably little reaction to actual gun crime

We’ll every time we pass gun control laws, Congress overturns them.

Do you have examples in the last decade? Can you cite which laws concerning sentencing for gun crime were reduced by Congress? I see none at all. The courts did nix DC total ban, even for law abiding citizens, who have had full background check, fingerprints, and training, who were banned from having even a revolver in a gun safe, which was a patently unconistutional DC law.

But where the rubber hits the road is gun crimes. It is the hard left constantly fighting for lower sentences and less prosecution of gun crimes in DC, for the really dangerous crime, the ones where people get injured or killed 1) FELON IN POSESSION, ADW and other violent crimes.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/12/986537208/advocates-say-how-gun-crimes-are-charged-in-washington-d-c-is-a-civil-rights-iss
https://wtop.com/dc/2020/04/dc-attorney-general-opposes-prosecution-of-local-gun-cases-in-federal-court/

So true..we had to bend over backwards for a firearm permit, meanwhile actual illegal use.of firearms is barely glanced at in DC .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it still a federal crime to carry a firearm within 1000 feet if a school? Shouldn’t the perps face that federal charge in addition to any DC criminal law charges?

DC has, by code, its own doubling enhancement for any gun crime, including unlawful possession within 1,000 feet of a school. DC almost never adds that DC enhancement.
And it is not illegal to carry within 1,000 feet of a school, but to illegally carry (ie not have a license), as well as to commit other actual crimes.

For example if you commit an assault with a firearm, armed robbery, mugging, or illegally posses or carry or any other firearm crime, DC code is supposed to double it. Racine's office almost never does this for possession or illegal carry since most under 25s illegally in possession are within 1,000' of a DC school, thereby converting the crime to a felony, and for some reason Racine does not want to bring felony charges for the cohort that commits the most gun crime.

Because of the legacy of oppression.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tomorrow should be a fun day with thousands of young scholars suddenly without school on a 90 degree Friday. Good luck everyone.

The shooting was at the construction site. No students were there. Eaton students have been at a swing space on Van Ness Street on the UDC campus for two years while Eaton is being renovated.

The shooting sounds personal.

I’d be shocked if any construction workers knew the perpetrators.

Oh yeah totally, construction workers don't run around with sketchy people at all. High class citizens, every one. It's not like it's the profession that has the most hard drug addicts in the U.S. or anything like that, right? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/10/191030082825.htm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tomorrow should be a fun day with thousands of young scholars suddenly without school on a 90 degree Friday. Good luck everyone.

The shooting was at the construction site. No students were there. Eaton students have been at a swing space on Van Ness Street on the UDC campus for two years while Eaton is being renovated.

The shooting sounds personal.

I’d be shocked if any construction workers knew the perpetrators.

Oh yeah totally, construction workers don't run around with sketchy people at all. High class citizens, every one. It's not like it's the profession that has the most hard drug addicts in the U.S. or anything like that, right? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/10/191030082825.htm

So, what are you saying, that the shooting is somehow understandable, even justified?

Your disdain for those who work with their hands is really something. You are ok to rely on their labor to build your kids' school or maybe your home. But you don't consider them to be "high class citizens."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For an anti gun ownership kind of city, there is remarkably little reaction to actual gun crime

We’ll every time we pass gun control laws, Congress overturns them.

Do you have examples in the last decade? Can you cite which laws concerning sentencing for gun crime were reduced by Congress? I see none at all. The courts did nix DC total ban, even for law abiding citizens, who have had full background check, fingerprints, and training, who were banned from having even a revolver in a gun safe, which was a patently unconistutional DC law.

But where the rubber hits the road is gun crimes. It is the hard left constantly fighting for lower sentences and less prosecution of gun crimes in DC, for the really dangerous crime, the ones where people get injured or killed 1) FELON IN POSESSION, ADW and other violent crimes.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/12/986537208/advocates-say-how-gun-crimes-are-charged-in-washington-d-c-is-a-civil-rights-iss
https://wtop.com/dc/2020/04/dc-attorney-general-opposes-prosecution-of-local-gun-cases-in-federal-court/

So true..we had to bend over backwards for a firearm permit, meanwhile actual illegal use.of firearms is barely glanced at in DC .

Yep. DC only cares about preventing legal gun ownership.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For an anti gun ownership kind of city, there is remarkably little reaction to actual gun crime

We’ll every time we pass gun control laws, Congress overturns them.

Do you have examples in the last decade? Can you cite which laws concerning sentencing for gun crime were reduced by Congress? I see none at all. The courts did nix DC total ban, even for law abiding citizens, who have had full background check, fingerprints, and training, who were banned from having even a revolver in a gun safe, which was a patently unconistutional DC law.

But where the rubber hits the road is gun crimes. It is the hard left constantly fighting for lower sentences and less prosecution of gun crimes in DC, for the really dangerous crime, the ones where people get injured or killed 1) FELON IN POSESSION, ADW and other violent crimes.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/12/986537208/advocates-say-how-gun-crimes-are-charged-in-washington-d-c-is-a-civil-rights-iss
https://wtop.com/dc/2020/04/dc-attorney-general-opposes-prosecution-of-local-gun-cases-in-federal-court/

So true..we had to bend over backwards for a firearm permit, meanwhile actual illegal use.of firearms is barely glanced at in DC .

Yep. DC only cares about preventing legal gun ownership.

It does seem that way. I don't mind that we had to jump through lots of hoops to legally obtain and register our gun, it should be that way everywhere. But the gun control righteousness does ring hollow when DC routinely pleads down/dismisses illegal firearms used in the commission of crimes. Isn't that another side.of gun control - to strongly disincentive gun.crimes through criminal.penalties?. Makes no sense to me!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For an anti gun ownership kind of city, there is remarkably little reaction to actual gun crime

We’ll every time we pass gun control laws, Congress overturns them.

Do you have examples in the last decade? Can you cite which laws concerning sentencing for gun crime were reduced by Congress? I see none at all. The courts did nix DC total ban, even for law abiding citizens, who have had full background check, fingerprints, and training, who were banned from having even a revolver in a gun safe, which was a patently unconistutional DC law.

But where the rubber hits the road is gun crimes. It is the hard left constantly fighting for lower sentences and less prosecution of gun crimes in DC, for the really dangerous crime, the ones where people get injured or killed 1) FELON IN POSESSION, ADW and other violent crimes.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/12/986537208/advocates-say-how-gun-crimes-are-charged-in-washington-d-c-is-a-civil-rights-iss
https://wtop.com/dc/2020/04/dc-attorney-general-opposes-prosecution-of-local-gun-cases-in-federal-court/

So true..we had to bend over backwards for a firearm permit, meanwhile actual illegal use.of firearms is barely glanced at in DC .

Yep. DC only cares about preventing legal gun ownership.

It does seem that way. I don't mind that we had to jump through lots of hoops to legally obtain and register our gun, it should be that way everywhere. But the gun control righteousness does ring hollow when DC routinely pleads down/dismisses illegal firearms used in the commission of crimes. Isn't that another side.of gun control - to strongly disincentive gun.crimes through criminal.penalties?. Makes no sense to me!

I favor strict gun safety and registration laws. That said, I read that a lot of the gun prosecutions in DC are of otherwise law-abiding people from other states with looser gun laws who out of habit bring their guns into the District, without necessarily knowing about DC's strict gun laws. They might be reported by a staff member in a hotel, for example. Even if they plea and don't get jail time, the conviction screws up their employment and costs thousands of dollars in legal fees and court costs.

Yet someone can commit a crime with an illegal gun, and especially if they're a juvenile, they effectively get off from real penalties. They have a public defender and their record is sealed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For an anti gun ownership kind of city, there is remarkably little reaction to actual gun crime

We’ll every time we pass gun control laws, Congress overturns them.

Do you have examples in the last decade? Can you cite which laws concerning sentencing for gun crime were reduced by Congress? I see none at all. The courts did nix DC total ban, even for law abiding citizens, who have had full background check, fingerprints, and training, who were banned from having even a revolver in a gun safe, which was a patently unconistutional DC law.

But where the rubber hits the road is gun crimes. It is the hard left constantly fighting for lower sentences and less prosecution of gun crimes in DC, for the really dangerous crime, the ones where people get injured or killed 1) FELON IN POSESSION, ADW and other violent crimes.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/12/986537208/advocates-say-how-gun-crimes-are-charged-in-washington-d-c-is-a-civil-rights-iss
https://wtop.com/dc/2020/04/dc-attorney-general-opposes-prosecution-of-local-gun-cases-in-federal-court/

So true..we had to bend over backwards for a firearm permit, meanwhile actual illegal use.of firearms is barely glanced at in DC .

Yep. DC only cares about preventing legal gun ownership.

It does seem that way. I don't mind that we had to jump through lots of hoops to legally obtain and register our gun, it should be that way everywhere. But the gun control righteousness does ring hollow when DC routinely pleads down/dismisses illegal firearms used in the commission of crimes. Isn't that another side.of gun control - to strongly disincentive gun.crimes through criminal.penalties?. Makes no sense to me!

Doubling of gun crime sentences is not a deterrent. It might make you feel better, but it doesn't prevent gun violence. You should be asking what is going on with our kids in this city. Schools were closed for a long time and parents weren't paying alot of attention. We need to figure out the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For an anti gun ownership kind of city, there is remarkably little reaction to actual gun crime

We’ll every time we pass gun control laws, Congress overturns them.

Do you have examples in the last decade? Can you cite which laws concerning sentencing for gun crime were reduced by Congress? I see none at all. The courts did nix DC total ban, even for law abiding citizens, who have had full background check, fingerprints, and training, who were banned from having even a revolver in a gun safe, which was a patently unconistutional DC law.

But where the rubber hits the road is gun crimes. It is the hard left constantly fighting for lower sentences and less prosecution of gun crimes in DC, for the really dangerous crime, the ones where people get injured or killed 1) FELON IN POSESSION, ADW and other violent crimes.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/12/986537208/advocates-say-how-gun-crimes-are-charged-in-washington-d-c-is-a-civil-rights-iss
https://wtop.com/dc/2020/04/dc-attorney-general-opposes-prosecution-of-local-gun-cases-in-federal-court/

So true..we had to bend over backwards for a firearm permit, meanwhile actual illegal use.of firearms is barely glanced at in DC .

Yep. DC only cares about preventing legal gun ownership.

It does seem that way. I don't mind that we had to jump through lots of hoops to legally obtain and register our gun, it should be that way everywhere. But the gun control righteousness does ring hollow when DC routinely pleads down/dismisses illegal firearms used in the commission of crimes. Isn't that another side.of gun control - to strongly disincentive gun.crimes through criminal.penalties?. Makes no sense to me!

I favor strict gun safety and registration laws. That said, I read that a lot of the gun prosecutions in DC are of otherwise law-abiding people from other states with looser gun laws who out of habit bring their guns into the District, without necessarily knowing about DC's strict gun laws. They might be reported by a staff member in a hotel, for example. Even if they plea and don't get jail time, the conviction screws up their employment and costs thousands of dollars in legal fees and court costs.

Yet someone can commit a crime with an illegal gun, and especially if they're a juvenile, they effectively get off from real penalties. They have a public defender and their record is sealed.

Yes, this has actually happened to people traveling etc. DC is very zealous about prosecuting non-criminals it seems.