Lil Nas X MONTERO controversy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was smut when 2 Live Crew did it, it was smut when Uncle Luke did it, it was smut when Cardi B did it, it was smut when Miley Cyrus did it. There’s nothing groundbreaker about smut, and that video is smut regardless of that smut peddlers sexual orientation.

Agree. This is “culture” now not even hiding it anymore.
Very damaging to hold this up as empowerment when it is really debasement and inversion.

it is a hard battle to convince people that defiling oneself for public consumption has little to do with art or empowerment, instead it is more commonly a road to pain, dehumanization and debauchery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was smut when 2 Live Crew did it, it was smut when Uncle Luke did it, it was smut when Cardi B did it, it was smut when Miley Cyrus did it. There’s nothing groundbreaker about smut, and that video is smut regardless of that smut peddlers sexual orientation.

Agree. This is “culture” now not even hiding it anymore.
Very damaging to hold this up as empowerment when it is really debasement and inversion.

it is a hard battle to convince people that defiling oneself for public consumption has little to do with art or empowerment, instead it is more commonly a road to pain, dehumanization and debauchery.

DP. I feel that way about the Cardi B and MtS performance at the Grammys. Incessant boasting about the condition of your genitals while performatively scissoring is not as empowering as some people claim to believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The USA today article about the song and the controversy used the phrase "unapologetically queer" in the headline which is not something I ever thought, as a 40 something queer person, I would see in my life.

And this is why I think the video is something that should have been done ages ago. Lil Nas X is breaking barriers (not shocking considering Stonewall was started by black trans activists) but I can see more 'gay' music videos coming in two years and...*crickets* when they do.

- a straight ally

The people who started Stonewall were gay male cross dressers and butch lesbians. They did not identify as trans.

[Anonymous]

As a black woman I applaud Lil' Nas for bringing putting a powerful depiction of male-male desire front and center. We need more representations of those erotic experiences in the mainstream culture. This is groundbreaking pop art.

[Anonymous]

Oops - Lil Nas X. (My age is showing.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was smut when 2 Live Crew did it, it was smut when Uncle Luke did it, it was smut when Cardi B did it, it was smut when Miley Cyrus did it. There’s nothing groundbreaker about smut, and that video is smut regardless of that smut peddlers sexual orientation.

Agree. This is “culture” now not even hiding it anymore.
Very damaging to hold this up as empowerment when it is really debasement and inversion.

it is a hard battle to convince people that defiling oneself for public consumption has little to do with art or empowerment, instead it is more commonly a road to pain, dehumanization and debauchery.

DP. I feel that way about the Cardi B and MtS performance at the Grammys. Incessant boasting about the condition of your genitals while performatively scissoring is not as empowering as some people claim to believe.

+1 And of course Prince did it and years later refused to perform some of his art for his audience. There’s also Vanity, Alice Cooper and Dave Mustaine of Megadeath.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The USA today article about the song and the controversy used the phrase "unapologetically queer" in the headline which is not something I ever thought, as a 40 something queer person, I would see in my life.

And this is why I think the video is something that should have been done ages ago. Lil Nas X is breaking barriers (not shocking considering Stonewall was started by black trans activists) but I can see more 'gay' music videos coming in two years and...*crickets* when they do.

- a straight ally

The people who started Stonewall were gay male cross dressers and butch lesbians. They did not identify as trans.

It’s become popular among both the left and the right to sacrifice the truth for a political agenda. But there’s no need to erase gays and lesbians from their own history. Stonewall was not started by trans activists.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/reason.com/2020/06/30/marsha-p-johnson-didnt-start-stonewall-pride-might-not-have-been-trans/%3famp

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Nicki Minaj made this video, it would be 6 hours of Twitter talk and the online tabloids would be, like, “See Nicki’s HOT new video!!!” People just are bent out of shape about this because he’s gay. The same thing happened to Adam Lambert years ago when he did a “controversial” performance on some awards show and it nearly killed his career.

That is part of it but I’m also seeing complaints that there should’ve been a disclaimer when the video dropped bc lil Nas x has a targeted population which is kids.

Kids are not Lil Nas Xs targeted population. His first major song was about 'lean' and having sex. Just because parents let their kids repeat the lyrics - just as parents let their kids sing the lyrics of Watermelon Sugar which is about cunnilingus - does not make it a kids song.

Never said his songs were for kids but that’s who listens. Old town road is popular bc kids loved that crap. So yeah, his main audience is kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a black woman I applaud Lil' Nas for bringing putting a powerful depiction of male-male desire front and center. We need more representations of those erotic experiences in the mainstream culture. This is groundbreaking pop art.

m

It really isn’t. It’s been done before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a black woman I applaud Lil' Nas for bringing putting a powerful depiction of male-male desire front and center. We need more representations of those erotic experiences in the mainstream culture. This is groundbreaking pop art.

m

It really isn’t. It’s been done before.

Examples?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Nicki Minaj made this video, it would be 6 hours of Twitter talk and the online tabloids would be, like, “See Nicki’s HOT new video!!!” People just are bent out of shape about this because he’s gay. The same thing happened to Adam Lambert years ago when he did a “controversial” performance on some awards show and it nearly killed his career.

That is part of it but I’m also seeing complaints that there should’ve been a disclaimer when the video dropped bc lil Nas x has a targeted population which is kids.

Kids are not Lil Nas Xs targeted population. His first major song was about 'lean' and having sex. Just because parents let their kids repeat the lyrics - just as parents let their kids sing the lyrics of Watermelon Sugar which is about cunnilingus - does not make it a kids song.

Never said his songs were for kids but that’s who listens. Old town road is popular bc kids loved that crap. So yeah, his main audience is kids.

And it’s the responsibility of adults to limit that.

I couldn’t listen to Police in middle school because Roxanne was a prostitute and there was apparently a chance I would work the red light district if I listened to Police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a black woman I applaud Lil' Nas for bringing putting a powerful depiction of male-male desire front and center. We need more representations of those erotic experiences in the mainstream culture. This is groundbreaking pop art.

m

It really isn’t. It’s been done before.

Examples?

This. I’ve never this LGBTQ focus in mainstream music videos before. Anywhere.

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Actually it’s a brilliant take on Dante’s inferno with all that gorgeous medieval and renaissance imagery it’s great to see classics revived!

Someone should write a thesis on this!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Nicki Minaj made this video, it would be 6 hours of Twitter talk and the online tabloids would be, like, “See Nicki’s HOT new video!!!” People just are bent out of shape about this because he’s gay. The same thing happened to Adam Lambert years ago when he did a “controversial” performance on some awards show and it nearly killed his career.

That is part of it but I’m also seeing complaints that there should’ve been a disclaimer when the video dropped bc lil Nas x has a targeted population which is kids.

Kids are not Lil Nas Xs targeted population. His first major song was about 'lean' and having sex. Just because parents let their kids repeat the lyrics - just as parents let their kids sing the lyrics of Watermelon Sugar which is about cunnilingus - does not make it a kids song.

Never said his songs were for kids but that’s who listens. Old town road is popular bc kids loved that crap. So yeah, his main audience is kids.

And it’s the responsibility of adults to limit that.

I couldn’t listen to Police in middle school because Roxanne was a prostitute and there was apparently a chance I would work the red light district if I listened to Police.

That’s fine but that isn’t what is happening. So trying to ignore who his audience consist of isn’t going to work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Nicki Minaj made this video, it would be 6 hours of Twitter talk and the online tabloids would be, like, “See Nicki’s HOT new video!!!” People just are bent out of shape about this because he’s gay. The same thing happened to Adam Lambert years ago when he did a “controversial” performance on some awards show and it nearly killed his career.

That is part of it but I’m also seeing complaints that there should’ve been a disclaimer when the video dropped bc lil Nas x has a targeted population which is kids.

Kids are not Lil Nas Xs targeted population. His first major song was about 'lean' and having sex. Just because parents let their kids repeat the lyrics - just as parents let their kids sing the lyrics of Watermelon Sugar which is about cunnilingus - does not make it a kids song.

Never said his songs were for kids but that’s who listens. Old town road is popular bc kids loved that crap. So yeah, his main audience is kids.

And it’s the responsibility of adults to limit that.

I couldn’t listen to Police in middle school because Roxanne was a prostitute and there was apparently a chance I would work the red light district if I listened to Police.

That’s fine but that isn’t what is happening. So trying to ignore who his audience consist of isn’t going to work.

What isn’t happening? Parents aren’t parenting?

So? What exactly will happen..,, btw I never became a holler even though I listened to Roxanne. What exactly is going to happen?

Also, btw.... a very high % of country songs talk about drinking too much and getting wasted... which is actually a huge issue in the US. Do you suggest no kids listen to country?