Is there any evidence that a teacher has died from COVID that was transmitted from a student?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/14/890716897/teacher-recovering-from-covid-19-says-school-reopening-is-tough-decision

This is not evidence. The teachers could have easily given it to each other, and one got it from somewhere else.

Or they could have gotten it in school. But since contact trading in the US is a voluntary joke, and since positive kids often have minimal (explained away as "allergies") or no symptoms, entitled Open Er Up parents can pretend that all the teachers got it from " parties" or "vacations."

Exactly! When an adult has a symptom they might go get a test but when just their kid does they’re less likely to because most kids are not going to easily let you do the test. Most of my students were tested because we found out they traveled then came to school so they were immediately sent home and had to get a test before coming back (would be virtual two weeks if they refused). Then I’ve had students out for weeks because their parents were positive and they didn’t test the kid, or they did test them and they were positive. I work with a teacher who had to be out for two weeks because her adult daughter whom she lives with had tested positive. This teacher never had symptoms and had two negative tests during that time she was out. It’s a strange virus and some strands are more contagious than others. Everyone’s immunity is different too. I know of two couples who live and sleep together but only one tested positive and it appeared their spouse never got it. Then there’s sad stories like an elderly grocery store worker in Dartmouth, MA coming home and changing her clothes and bathing before even going near her husband who ended up dying from covid... and she feels she brought covid home and caused his death. it’s so heartbreaking. My brother in law doesn’t believe covid is real (just found out a few days ago) and says he only wears masks around my grandparents because he doesn’t want to be blamed should they get it.

I think many don’t take it seriously until it hits close to home for them. Be careful and look out for others. It’s okay to push for schools to open but also push for teachers to get the vaccine offered (sounds like it has been in the DMV area) and push for their safety. Maybe they don’t get sick but they bring it home and lose a loved one. Teachers do love their students but they love their own families and friends more. Sorry.

Has anyone ever noticed that "bringing it home and infecting a loved one" is only a concern when teachers are talking about how they shouldn't have to go in? There is not one other profession that I am aware of where that is a consideration. Hell, we had stories about healthcare workers living in tents. If you're so worried about bringing it home from your work, go live in a tent. Get your own place to stay. It's your responsibility, no one else's.

Are you saying that the healthcare workers who were sleeping in tents weren't concerned about bringing it home to their families? I completely do not understand what you are saying here.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/14/890716897/teacher-recovering-from-covid-19-says-school-reopening-is-tough-decision

This is not evidence. The teachers could have easily given it to each other, and one got it from somewhere else.

Or they could have gotten it in school. But since contact trading in the US is a voluntary joke, and since positive kids often have minimal (explained away as "allergies") or no symptoms, entitled Open Er Up parents can pretend that all the teachers got it from " parties" or "vacations."

Exactly! When an adult has a symptom they might go get a test but when just their kid does they’re less likely to because most kids are not going to easily let you do the test. Most of my students were tested because we found out they traveled then came to school so they were immediately sent home and had to get a test before coming back (would be virtual two weeks if they refused). Then I’ve had students out for weeks because their parents were positive and they didn’t test the kid, or they did test them and they were positive. I work with a teacher who had to be out for two weeks because her adult daughter whom she lives with had tested positive. This teacher never had symptoms and had two negative tests during that time she was out. It’s a strange virus and some strands are more contagious than others. Everyone’s immunity is different too. I know of two couples who live and sleep together but only one tested positive and it appeared their spouse never got it. Then there’s sad stories like an elderly grocery store worker in Dartmouth, MA coming home and changing her clothes and bathing before even going near her husband who ended up dying from covid... and she feels she brought covid home and caused his death. it’s so heartbreaking. My brother in law doesn’t believe covid is real (just found out a few days ago) and says he only wears masks around my grandparents because he doesn’t want to be blamed should they get it.

I think many don’t take it seriously until it hits close to home for them. Be careful and look out for others. It’s okay to push for schools to open but also push for teachers to get the vaccine offered (sounds like it has been in the DMV area) and push for their safety. Maybe they don’t get sick but they bring it home and lose a loved one. Teachers do love their students but they love their own families and friends more. Sorry.

Has anyone ever noticed that "bringing it home and infecting a loved one" is only a concern when teachers are talking about how they shouldn't have to go in? There is not one other profession that I am aware of where that is a consideration. Hell, we had stories about healthcare workers living in tents. If you're so worried about bringing it home from your work, go live in a tent. Get your own place to stay. It's your responsibility, no one else's.

Are you saying that the healthcare workers who were sleeping in tents weren't concerned about bringing it home to their families? I completely do not understand what you are saying here.

I think pp is saying that healthcare workers were so worried about possible infection to their families, that they opted to sleep in tents so they weren't in the house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please give link(s) to any evidence of a teacher getting COVID from a student and subsequently dying of COVID in the entire USA.

TIA

Zero evidence. So much for science!!

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Anonymous wrote:What evidence that a nurse got it from a patient? Or a grocery worker from a customer? Or a bus driver from a passenger?

Teachers can, have, and will spread it to each other because teachers are forced to share classrooms and other poorly ventilated spaces. Since teachers can only use the bathroom in between classes, they often cram into multi-stall staff restrooms at the same time. Will we ask teachers to hold their bladders all day or wear diapers? Or should they just leave classes unattended so they can stagger bathroom breaks? Likewise, workrooms are often unventilated spaces where teachers have to go to pickup mail, make copies, and call parents. If you want hard copy worksheets rather than screens, you are going to need teachers to line up to make copies during their planning periods.

Wear a mask. Planes are completely full. Flight Attendants are unvaccinated. And people wear masks and there are no mass outbreaks. I don't understand why you think classrooms are worse than planes?

And wash hands with warm water and a good soap for at least 20 sec. every time you touch your mouth to eat like crazy during class. Don’t you dare to touch students’ materials with those dirty hands.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What evidence that a nurse got it from a patient? Or a grocery worker from a customer? Or a bus driver from a passenger?

Teachers can, have, and will spread it to each other because teachers are forced to share classrooms and other poorly ventilated spaces. Since teachers can only use the bathroom in between classes, they often cram into multi-stall staff restrooms at the same time. Will we ask teachers to hold their bladders all day or wear diapers? Or should they just leave classes unattended so they can stagger bathroom breaks? Likewise, workrooms are often unventilated spaces where teachers have to go to pickup mail, make copies, and call parents. If you want hard copy worksheets rather than screens, you are going to need teachers to line up to make copies during their planning periods.

Wear a mask. Planes are completely full. Flight Attendants are unvaccinated. And people wear masks and there are no mass outbreaks. I don't understand why you think classrooms are worse than planes?

And wash hands with warm water and a good soap for at least 20 sec. every time you touch your mouth to eat like crazy during class. Don’t you dare to touch students’ materials with those dirty hands.

The same goes to doctors examining patients.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/14/890716897/teacher-recovering-from-covid-19-says-school-reopening-is-tough-decision

This is not evidence. The teachers could have easily given it to each other, and one got it from somewhere else.

Or they could have gotten it in school. But since contact trading in the US is a voluntary joke, and since positive kids often have minimal (explained away as "allergies") or no symptoms, entitled Open Er Up parents can pretend that all the teachers got it from " parties" or "vacations."

Exactly! When an adult has a symptom they might go get a test but when just their kid does they’re less likely to because most kids are not going to easily let you do the test. Most of my students were tested because we found out they traveled then came to school so they were immediately sent home and had to get a test before coming back (would be virtual two weeks if they refused). Then I’ve had students out for weeks because their parents were positive and they didn’t test the kid, or they did test them and they were positive. I work with a teacher who had to be out for two weeks because her adult daughter whom she lives with had tested positive. This teacher never had symptoms and had two negative tests during that time she was out. It’s a strange virus and some strands are more contagious than others. Everyone’s immunity is different too. I know of two couples who live and sleep together but only one tested positive and it appeared their spouse never got it. Then there’s sad stories like an elderly grocery store worker in Dartmouth, MA coming home and changing her clothes and bathing before even going near her husband who ended up dying from covid... and she feels she brought covid home and caused his death. it’s so heartbreaking. My brother in law doesn’t believe covid is real (just found out a few days ago) and says he only wears masks around my grandparents because he doesn’t want to be blamed should they get it.

I think many don’t take it seriously until it hits close to home for them. Be careful and look out for others. It’s okay to push for schools to open but also push for teachers to get the vaccine offered (sounds like it has been in the DMV area) and push for their safety. Maybe they don’t get sick but they bring it home and lose a loved one. Teachers do love their students but they love their own families and friends more. Sorry.

Has anyone ever noticed that "bringing it home and infecting a loved one" is only a concern when teachers are talking about how they shouldn't have to go in? There is not one other profession that I am aware of where that is a consideration. Hell, we had stories about healthcare workers living in tents. If you're so worried about bringing it home from your work, go live in a tent. Get your own place to stay. It's your responsibility, no one else's.

Are you saying that the healthcare workers who were sleeping in tents weren't concerned about bringing it home to their families? I completely do not understand what you are saying here.

I think pp is saying that healthcare workers were so worried about possible infection to their families, that they opted to sleep in tents so they weren't in the house.

And that yet, they still aren't being given priority. So it would be preposterous to give priority to teacher family AND FRIENDS. God.

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Anonymous wrote:PP- oh and push for the families of teachers to get the vaccine too. Because they’re saying the vaccine may just reduce or eliminate symptoms for the vaccinated person, but that a vaccinated person could still give the virus to someone who then gets symptoms which could be serious or deadly. There’s a lot they don’t know. I know people love to say “trust science” but I have a friend who did her master’s at Harvard and works in biotech in San Fransisco and she refuses to get the vaccine herself because the mRNA technology is too new for her. Her sister who is a nurse did get the vaccine though and has been fine, but who knows the long term effects or for how long it’s effective, or if it only protects the vaccinated person from developing symptoms but they could still pass the virus onto someone who could die.

The class sizes can be insane in VA (I taught there but now in MA). I don’t blame the teachers for being nervous but I’m glad to hear the state let them get vaccinated. Maybe offer vaccines to everyone in their house and all those they come in close contact with too. Might help and might be a really good idea. Sorry to say is teachers prefer having our loved ones alive over teaching in person. (I am teaching in person but I understand the anxiety many teachers are facing- I feel safe in my situation and only have 6-8 kids in person per day.

This is it. We have reached the nadir. We can't make a worse argument.

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Anonymous wrote:https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/cdc-study-teachers-key-covid-19-infections-district-76045608

https://www.pasteur.fr/en/press-area/press-documents/covid-19-primary-schools-no-significant-transmission-among-children-students-teachers

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/risk-comms-updates/update39-covid-and-schools.pdf?sfvrsn=320db233_2

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/kids-school-and-covid-19-what-we-know-and-what-we-don-t

Not exactly what OP asked but leaning towards conclusion kids do NOT infect teachers

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And we know that if a student had ever infected a teacher who later died of COVID, it would be ALL OVER the news.

Wrong. Just the opposite as that is not the agenda. We want everyone to go back not a scare pepper and make it look unsafe.

[Anonymous]

It does not spread from surfaces!
How dumb are you all?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My friend is a nurse, but she did not work with Covid patients and none of her patients tested positive to her knowledge. However, she did! And everyone assumes she caught it being a heroic health care worker when she thinks she caught it at a tented family gathering.

This proves we cannot definitively tell where a teacher gets infected. Teacher is negative all year and then upon going back turns positive? Can’t be the kids in the classroom! No it must have been the time they went to the grocery store.

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Anonymous wrote:My friend is a nurse, but she did not work with Covid patients and none of her patients tested positive to her knowledge. However, she did! And everyone assumes she caught it being a heroic health care worker when she thinks she caught it at a tented family gathering.

This proves we cannot definitively tell where a teacher gets infected. Teacher is negative all year and then upon going back turns positive? Can’t be the kids in the classroom! No it must have been the time they went to the grocery store.

loooool this is what you consider definitive proof?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My friend is a nurse, but she did not work with Covid patients and none of her patients tested positive to her knowledge. However, she did! And everyone assumes she caught it being a heroic health care worker when she thinks she caught it at a tented family gathering.

This proves we cannot definitively tell where a teacher gets infected. Teacher is negative all year and then upon going back turns positive? Can’t be the kids in the classroom! No it must have been the time they went to the grocery store.

loooool this is what you consider definitive proof?

Sarcasm.

Bottom line, without sequencing genomes and how far they were apart in time, there is no definitive proof because schools aren’t going to those lengths to test. So no, you won’t hear about how anyone died. They quietly die without headlines and fanfare of how it happened as in most professions.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t teachers vaccinated?

Yes, teachers have been vaccinated. 95% effective rate.

I am a teacher. I live in Arlington. There were no spots left. I am still waiting.

I am eligible but the supply is not there.

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Anonymous wrote:Please give link(s) to any evidence of a teacher getting COVID from a student and subsequently dying of COVID in the entire USA.

TIA

This is disingenuous question and you know it OP. Shame on you.

Actually, I think a lot of teachers would like to know the answer. But there is no answer, because no one has been keeping track.

It is very very difficult to prove occupational transmission unless you are constructing phylogenetic relationships of individual sequences AND have full knowledge of timeline and all contacts AND there is either low community caseload or limited contacts between people. There is a reason that occupational health exposures more broadly are such a legal nightmare to prove. Some of the replies in this thread is so disingenuous. As PP pointed out, no one is asking doctors if they got COVID at a restaurant/gym/dinner party. I want schools to open safely too, but teachers are right to be concerned for their health if they are exposed on a daily basis for a prolonged period of time, indoors, with questionable ventilation, to a bunch of kids whose parents have varying levels of COVID safety. Hopefully they can all be vaccinated soon and we can all GTFBackToNormal.

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So disingenuous. Without surveillance testing and tracing we don’t know.

Teacher haters are so transparent with their “must have caught out of school” claims. Sure, dude.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please give link(s) to any evidence of a teacher getting COVID from a student and subsequently dying of COVID in the entire USA.

TIA

This is disingenuous question and you know it OP. Shame on you.

Actually, I think a lot of teachers would like to know the answer. But there is no answer, because no one has been keeping track.

It is very very difficult to prove occupational transmission unless you are constructing phylogenetic relationships of individual sequences AND have full knowledge of timeline and all contacts AND there is either low community caseload or limited contacts between people. There is a reason that occupational health exposures more broadly are such a legal nightmare to prove. Some of the replies in this thread is so disingenuous. As PP pointed out, no one is asking doctors if they got COVID at a restaurant/gym/dinner party. I want schools to open safely too, but teachers are right to be concerned for their health if they are exposed on a daily basis for a prolonged period of time, indoors, with questionable ventilation, to a bunch of kids whose parents have varying levels of COVID safety. Hopefully they can all be vaccinated soon and we can all GTFBackToNormal.

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So disingenuous. Without surveillance testing and tracing we don’t know.

Teacher haters are so transparent with their “must have caught out of school” claims. Sure, dude.

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