Is there any evidence that a teacher has died from COVID that was transmitted from a student?

[Anonymous]

That article posted about recently (the infectious disease doctor who wants schools to reopen schools cited 3 studies that indicated no infections of teachers from children.

[Anonymous]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/cdc-study-teachers-key-covid-19-infections-district-76045608

https://www.pasteur.fr/en/press-area/press-documents/covid-19-primary-schools-no-significant-transmission-among-children-students-teachers

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/risk-comms-updates/update39-covid-and-schools.pdf?sfvrsn=320db233_2

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/kids-school-and-covid-19-what-we-know-and-what-we-don-t

Not exactly what OP asked but leaning towards conclusion kids do NOT infect teachers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t teachers vaccinated?

Yes, teachers have been vaccinated. 95% effective rate.

Some teachers have been vaccinated. In my school, only a few teachers have had both shots and only 25% had one shot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What evidence that a nurse got it from a patient? Or a grocery worker from a customer? Or a bus driver from a passenger?

Teachers can, have, and will spread it to each other because teachers are forced to share classrooms and other poorly ventilated spaces. Since teachers can only use the bathroom in between classes, they often cram into multi-stall staff restrooms at the same time. Will we ask teachers to hold their bladders all day or wear diapers? Or should they just leave classes unattended so they can stagger bathroom breaks? Likewise, workrooms are often unventilated spaces where teachers have to go to pickup mail, make copies, and call parents. If you want hard copy worksheets rather than screens, you are going to need teachers to line up to make copies during their planning periods.

Wear a mask. Planes are completely full. Flight Attendants are unvaccinated. And people wear masks and there are no mass outbreaks. I don't understand why you think classrooms are worse than planes?

Planes actually have state of the art ventilation and air cleaning and recycling that changes the air very frequently and use industrial hepa filters.
https://www.cheapair.com/blog/how-airplane-ventilation-actually-works/

Its like cheap casinos and expensive ones. The pricey ones have air vents and filters in the floors and all ofer and you cant smell the cigsr of the guy smoking across the craps table from you. In the cheap casino the whole floor smells of smoke all the time.

Not until the plane leaves the ground. On the ground the filters are off.

And there is no proof that these ventilation systems actually remove the virus before the person in the seat next to you infects you. What is working on airplanes is that everyone is wearing a mask.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:3 million kids had covid so far. I think it is safe to say that some kids infected adults.

But apparently not in a school setting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/cdc-study-teachers-key-covid-19-infections-district-76045608

https://www.pasteur.fr/en/press-area/press-documents/covid-19-primary-schools-no-significant-transmission-among-children-students-teachers

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/risk-comms-updates/update39-covid-and-schools.pdf?sfvrsn=320db233_2

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/kids-school-and-covid-19-what-we-know-and-what-we-don-t

Not exactly what OP asked but leaning towards conclusion kids do NOT infect teachers

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And we know that if a student had ever infected a teacher who later died of COVID, it would be ALL OVER the news.

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Anonymous wrote:If they don't test everyone in the school weekly, its impossible to know the spread.

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Without surveillance testing and tracing it it very difficult to determine transmission.



Plus, most kids in the US have been virtual to minimize this very thing. Good job, us.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/14/890716897/teacher-recovering-from-covid-19-says-school-reopening-is-tough-decision

This is not evidence. The teachers could have easily given it to each other, and one got it from somewhere else.

Testing and contact tracing is so bad/community spread is so prevalent that in many circumstances it's not going to be possible to rule out every other possibility.

I know you all like to robotically repeat this, but anywhere with a positivity rate of less than 5% is doing adequate testing. Moreover, at least in MD, the vast majority of cases are contact traced.

Do you actually research before you form opinions?

Yes. Unless you are doing *surveillance* testing, you could very easily end up with an asymptomatic carrier spreading it to people and you'll never know for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is it necessary to prove they got it from student? I don't Iike what you are implying- that there's no risk here. Putting hundreds of people in a building IS A RISK. Period.

Kids are asymptomatic quite often as are many adults. No one's testing, no one's contact tracing. Teachers definitely will be at risk. So will students. So will the community.

So the question becomes what is that risk? What is the risk of becoming seriously ill as a result of attending school? What is the risk of death? What are the risks of continuing with DL indefinitely for all students? How will we, as a society, pick up the pieces after the pandemic is over? Where will the funding come from to address the issues created through continue exclusion from school buildings? What harms are some children suffering?

Public policy decision are not made based on individual risks. Every action has consequences and associated cost, and policy is made by evaluating risks, rewards, and cost and determining what course is best. There is room for disagreement in any policy decision, and that is absolutely true in the debate surrounding return to in-person school. Some of the more individual concerns about risk can be addressed through ADA accommodations on the staff side and the continued availability of DL on the student/family side. Beyond that, there is a considerable downside to continued closures, including the fact that many students are receiving an in person education, some children whose families prefer DL for safety reasons are not receiving the education they should, many teachers hate in person learning, and the fact that all experts agree that in person learning model is best for most students. It works great for some, not so much for others. From a social and community standpoint, it is less than idea. Public policy is about what is best for the public at large. Overall, are we as a society better off with all children excluded from school buildings or, on balance, do the benefits associated with in person school, which may include social benefits by eliminating isolation, benefits conferred through school attendance during the day, observation of child heath (physical and mental) by adults at school, or any of the other reasons why have in person public school in the first place. A lost year of education is more than just a lost year; the cost might be a year of exclusion from the workforce. Children from families at all income levels suffer when their parents experience job insecurity, mental health issues, and stress from the pandemic. If continued DL remains an option, the fact that DL works well for some families should not negate the negative consequences for other families.

At some point, the costs of these closures must be considered. School buildings cannot remain closed for years.

[Anonymous]

If contact tracing was good in this country, you'd probably find that most teachers get it from dining in at restaurants - not from kids. The reason is simple. The virus is heavy - it falls down. It might hang in the air for a bit before it falls - but kids are shorter than teachers so even if not wearing a mask, the teacher would have to get down to their level and be breathed on. It doesn't drift upward. So wear a mask and don't stick your face in a child's face.

[Anonymous]

Yay! We did a good job protecting the lives of millions of teachers by mostly staying virtual this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yay! We did a good job protecting the lives of millions of teachers by mostly staying virtual this year.

...did you forget that there are plenty of places that are in person part or full-time?

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! We did a good job protecting the lives of millions of teachers by mostly staying virtual this year.

...did you forget that there are plenty of places that are in person part or full-time?

lol I think she did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is it necessary to prove they got it from student? I don't Iike what you are implying- that there's no risk here. Putting hundreds of people in a building IS A RISK. Period.

Kids are asymptomatic quite often as are many adults. No one's testing, no one's contact tracing. Teachers definitely will be at risk. So will students. So will the community.

So the question becomes what is that risk? What is the risk of becoming seriously ill as a result of attending school? What is the risk of death? What are the risks of continuing with DL indefinitely for all students? How will we, as a society, pick up the pieces after the pandemic is over? Where will the funding come from to address the issues created through continue exclusion from school buildings? What harms are some children suffering?

Public policy decision are not made based on individual risks. Every action has consequences and associated cost, and policy is made by evaluating risks, rewards, and cost and determining what course is best. There is room for disagreement in any policy decision, and that is absolutely true in the debate surrounding return to in-person school. Some of the more individual concerns about risk can be addressed through ADA accommodations on the staff side and the continued availability of DL on the student/family side. Beyond that, there is a considerable downside to continued closures, including the fact that many students are receiving an in person education, some children whose families prefer DL for safety reasons are not receiving the education they should, many teachers hate in person learning, and the fact that all experts agree that in person learning model is best for most students. It works great for some, not so much for others. From a social and community standpoint, it is less than idea. Public policy is about what is best for the public at large. Overall, are we as a society better off with all children excluded from school buildings or, on balance, do the benefits associated with in person school, which may include social benefits by eliminating isolation, benefits conferred through school attendance during the day, observation of child heath (physical and mental) by adults at school, or any of the other reasons why have in person public school in the first place. A lost year of education is more than just a lost year; the cost might be a year of exclusion from the workforce. Children from families at all income levels suffer when their parents experience job insecurity, mental health issues, and stress from the pandemic. If continued DL remains an option, the fact that DL works well for some families should not negate the negative consequences for other families.

At some point, the costs of these closures must be considered. School buildings cannot remain closed for years.

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I don't know why the conversation is all about risks to individual teachers and not about the risk to a generation of kids. We're mostly parents here. Why are we not more concerned with accumulating harm to children? Is it because the kids who are suffering the most aren't ours?

[Anonymous]

Just send the kids back already, so you can stop the whining about how you hate your kids being at home.