Is there any evidence that a teacher has died from COVID that was transmitted from a student?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not necessarily kids, but they’re less likely to be tested. Read this... heartbreaking how selfish many adults are.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/lkf9fa/students_family_gave_my_grandpa_covid_and_my/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Sad, but also, this is adults transmitting to other adults, outside of a classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please give link(s) to any evidence of a teacher getting COVID from a student and subsequently dying of COVID in the entire USA.

TIA

OP, Please give a link(s) to any evidence that (any employee) caught COVID from work and it was proven. Can't do it? That's because it's not possible to 100% prove, even medical workers, doctors, cashiers, police, miltary, every day we expose ourselves and no, we can't prove it. This is where common sense comes into play.

Yes. I don’t see anyone angrily claiming that sick doctors “must have been going to indoor dining”. It’s gross, and it’s victim blaming. As a teacher, it is very uninspiring to work in person, putting myself and my family at risk, knowing that parents are quick to turn around and point fingers at us if we do get COVID. Zero gratitude or respect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/14/890716897/teacher-recovering-from-covid-19-says-school-reopening-is-tough-decision

This is not evidence. The teachers could have easily given it to each other, and one got it from somewhere else.

Or they could have gotten it in school. But since contact trading in the US is a voluntary joke, and since positive kids often have minimal (explained away as "allergies") or no symptoms, entitled Open Er Up parents can pretend that all the teachers got it from " parties" or "vacations."

Exactly! When an adult has a symptom they might go get a test but when just their kid does they’re less likely to because most kids are not going to easily let you do the test. Most of my students were tested because we found out they traveled then came to school so they were immediately sent home and had to get a test before coming back (would be virtual two weeks if they refused). Then I’ve had students out for weeks because their parents were positive and they didn’t test the kid, or they did test them and they were positive. I work with a teacher who had to be out for two weeks because her adult daughter whom she lives with had tested positive. This teacher never had symptoms and had two negative tests during that time she was out. It’s a strange virus and some strands are more contagious than others. Everyone’s immunity is different too. I know of two couples who live and sleep together but only one tested positive and it appeared their spouse never got it. Then there’s sad stories like an elderly grocery store worker in Dartmouth, MA coming home and changing her clothes and bathing before even going near her husband who ended up dying from covid... and she feels she brought covid home and caused his death. it’s so heartbreaking. My brother in law doesn’t believe covid is real (just found out a few days ago) and says he only wears masks around my grandparents because he doesn’t want to be blamed should they get it.

I think many don’t take it seriously until it hits close to home for them. Be careful and look out for others. It’s okay to push for schools to open but also push for teachers to get the vaccine offered (sounds like it has been in the DMV area) and push for their safety. Maybe they don’t get sick but they bring it home and lose a loved one. Teachers do love their students but they love their own families and friends more. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

PP- oh and push for the families of teachers to get the vaccine too. Because they’re saying the vaccine may just reduce or eliminate symptoms for the vaccinated person, but that a vaccinated person could still give the virus to someone who then gets symptoms which could be serious or deadly. There’s a lot they don’t know. I know people love to say “trust science” but I have a friend who did her master’s at Harvard and works in biotech in San Fransisco and she refuses to get the vaccine herself because the mRNA technology is too new for her. Her sister who is a nurse did get the vaccine though and has been fine, but who knows the long term effects or for how long it’s effective, or if it only protects the vaccinated person from developing symptoms but they could still pass the virus onto someone who could die.

The class sizes can be insane in VA (I taught there but now in MA). I don’t blame the teachers for being nervous but I’m glad to hear the state let them get vaccinated. Maybe offer vaccines to everyone in their house and all those they come in close contact with too. Might help and might be a really good idea. Sorry to say is teachers prefer having our loved ones alive over teaching in person. (I am teaching in person but I understand the anxiety many teachers are facing- I feel safe in my situation and only have 6-8 kids in person per day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please give link(s) to any evidence of a teacher getting COVID from a student and subsequently dying of COVID in the entire USA.

TIA

OP, Please give a link(s) to any evidence that (any employee) caught COVID from work and it was proven. Can't do it? That's because it's not possible to 100% prove, even medical workers, doctors, cashiers, police, miltary, every day we expose ourselves and no, we can't prove it. This is where common sense comes into play.

Yes. I don’t see anyone angrily claiming that sick doctors “must have been going to indoor dining”. It’s gross, and it’s victim blaming. As a teacher, it is very uninspiring to work in person, putting myself and my family at risk, knowing that parents are quick to turn around and point fingers at us if we do get COVID. Zero gratitude or respect.

Respect is earned. And I don't care if you're "inspired." Most people aren't "inspired" by their jobs. It's a job. They do it. I don't have to be grateful to you for you doing your job, for which you receive adequate remuneration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/14/890716897/teacher-recovering-from-covid-19-says-school-reopening-is-tough-decision

This is not evidence. The teachers could have easily given it to each other, and one got it from somewhere else.

Or they could have gotten it in school. But since contact trading in the US is a voluntary joke, and since positive kids often have minimal (explained away as "allergies") or no symptoms, entitled Open Er Up parents can pretend that all the teachers got it from " parties" or "vacations."

Exactly! When an adult has a symptom they might go get a test but when just their kid does they’re less likely to because most kids are not going to easily let you do the test. Most of my students were tested because we found out they traveled then came to school so they were immediately sent home and had to get a test before coming back (would be virtual two weeks if they refused). Then I’ve had students out for weeks because their parents were positive and they didn’t test the kid, or they did test them and they were positive. I work with a teacher who had to be out for two weeks because her adult daughter whom she lives with had tested positive. This teacher never had symptoms and had two negative tests during that time she was out. It’s a strange virus and some strands are more contagious than others. Everyone’s immunity is different too. I know of two couples who live and sleep together but only one tested positive and it appeared their spouse never got it. Then there’s sad stories like an elderly grocery store worker in Dartmouth, MA coming home and changing her clothes and bathing before even going near her husband who ended up dying from covid... and she feels she brought covid home and caused his death. it’s so heartbreaking. My brother in law doesn’t believe covid is real (just found out a few days ago) and says he only wears masks around my grandparents because he doesn’t want to be blamed should they get it.

I think many don’t take it seriously until it hits close to home for them. Be careful and look out for others. It’s okay to push for schools to open but also push for teachers to get the vaccine offered (sounds like it has been in the DMV area) and push for their safety. Maybe they don’t get sick but they bring it home and lose a loved one. Teachers do love their students but they love their own families and friends more. Sorry.

I strongly dispute this. Kids go to dentist and doctor visits all the time. The majority of children successfully complete health visits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/14/890716897/teacher-recovering-from-covid-19-says-school-reopening-is-tough-decision

This is not evidence. The teachers could have easily given it to each other, and one got it from somewhere else.

Or they could have gotten it in school. But since contact trading in the US is a voluntary joke, and since positive kids often have minimal (explained away as "allergies") or no symptoms, entitled Open Er Up parents can pretend that all the teachers got it from " parties" or "vacations."

Exactly! When an adult has a symptom they might go get a test but when just their kid does they’re less likely to because most kids are not going to easily let you do the test. Most of my students were tested because we found out they traveled then came to school so they were immediately sent home and had to get a test before coming back (would be virtual two weeks if they refused). Then I’ve had students out for weeks because their parents were positive and they didn’t test the kid, or they did test them and they were positive. I work with a teacher who had to be out for two weeks because her adult daughter whom she lives with had tested positive. This teacher never had symptoms and had two negative tests during that time she was out. It’s a strange virus and some strands are more contagious than others. Everyone’s immunity is different too. I know of two couples who live and sleep together but only one tested positive and it appeared their spouse never got it. Then there’s sad stories like an elderly grocery store worker in Dartmouth, MA coming home and changing her clothes and bathing before even going near her husband who ended up dying from covid... and she feels she brought covid home and caused his death. it’s so heartbreaking. My brother in law doesn’t believe covid is real (just found out a few days ago) and says he only wears masks around my grandparents because he doesn’t want to be blamed should they get it.

I think many don’t take it seriously until it hits close to home for them. Be careful and look out for others. It’s okay to push for schools to open but also push for teachers to get the vaccine offered (sounds like it has been in the DMV area) and push for their safety. Maybe they don’t get sick but they bring it home and lose a loved one. Teachers do love their students but they love their own families and friends more. Sorry.

Has anyone ever noticed that "bringing it home and infecting a loved one" is only a concern when teachers are talking about how they shouldn't have to go in? There is not one other profession that I am aware of where that is a consideration. Hell, we had stories about healthcare workers living in tents. If you're so worried about bringing it home from your work, go live in a tent. Get your own place to stay. It's your responsibility, no one else's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just send the kids back already, so you can stop the whining about how you hate your kids being at home.

Just curious - do you worry about about anyone other than yourself or your family?

Here's a newsflash. Some of us have kids who are doing fine with DL and actually like having them home with us. But we also worry about the long term consequences of continued DL for other children and for families struggling with DL, including related the departure of women from the workforce. Do you care about any of that?

I'll bet that if you holier than thou people are actual people and not just trolls, you will be complaining and extremely dissatisfied when forced to confront the consequences of the level of safety you demanded.

If your kids are doing well in DL, they will be fine a little while longer. You realize many of us have to depart in the past for our kids needs. This isn't new to DL. My child had SN. My income wouldn't cover a nanny to take mine to all the therapies so I had to quit. When I wanted to go back, my parent got sick and I had to stay home and care for them as they had no money and we'd pay more in help between child care and parent care than I'd earn. Welcome to the real world of parenting.

[Anonymous]

My friend is a nurse, but she did not work with Covid patients and none of her patients tested positive to her knowledge. However, she did! And everyone assumes she caught it being a heroic health care worker when she thinks she caught it at a tented family gathering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP- oh and push for the families of teachers to get the vaccine too. Because they’re saying the vaccine may just reduce or eliminate symptoms for the vaccinated person, but that a vaccinated person could still give the virus to someone who then gets symptoms which could be serious or deadly. There’s a lot they don’t know. I know people love to say “trust science” but I have a friend who did her master’s at Harvard and works in biotech in San Fransisco and she refuses to get the vaccine herself because the mRNA technology is too new for her. Her sister who is a nurse did get the vaccine though and has been fine, but who knows the long term effects or for how long it’s effective, or if it only protects the vaccinated person from developing symptoms but they could still pass the virus onto someone who could die.

The class sizes can be insane in VA (I taught there but now in MA). I don’t blame the teachers for being nervous but I’m glad to hear the state let them get vaccinated. Maybe offer vaccines to everyone in their house and all those they come in close contact with too. Might help and might be a really good idea. Sorry to say is teachers prefer having our loved ones alive over teaching in person. (I am teaching in person but I understand the anxiety many teachers are facing- I feel safe in my situation and only have 6-8 kids in person per day.

"Family of a teacher" shouldn't be a consideration any more than the families of anyone else who works in person. Teacher's families are not more important than the families of medical professionals, who aren't prioritized. Once again, teachers asking for special treatment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just send the kids back already, so you can stop the whining about how you hate your kids being at home.

Just curious - do you worry about about anyone other than yourself or your family?

Here's a newsflash. Some of us have kids who are doing fine with DL and actually like having them home with us. But we also worry about the long term consequences of continued DL for other children and for families struggling with DL, including related the departure of women from the workforce. Do you care about any of that?

I'll bet that if you holier than thou people are actual people and not just trolls, you will be complaining and extremely dissatisfied when forced to confront the consequences of the level of safety you demanded.

If your kids are doing well in DL, they will be fine a little while longer. You realize many of us have to depart in the past for our kids needs. This isn't new to DL. My child had SN. My income wouldn't cover a nanny to take mine to all the therapies so I had to quit. When I wanted to go back, my parent got sick and I had to stay home and care for them as they had no money and we'd pay more in help between child care and parent care than I'd earn. Welcome to the real world of parenting.

What on earth are you talking about? The PP was indicating concern for other people's kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP- oh and push for the families of teachers to get the vaccine too. Because they’re saying the vaccine may just reduce or eliminate symptoms for the vaccinated person, but that a vaccinated person could still give the virus to someone who then gets symptoms which could be serious or deadly. There’s a lot they don’t know. I know people love to say “trust science” but I have a friend who did her master’s at Harvard and works in biotech in San Fransisco and she refuses to get the vaccine herself because the mRNA technology is too new for her. Her sister who is a nurse did get the vaccine though and has been fine, but who knows the long term effects or for how long it’s effective, or if it only protects the vaccinated person from developing symptoms but they could still pass the virus onto someone who could die.

The class sizes can be insane in VA (I taught there but now in MA). I don’t blame the teachers for being nervous but I’m glad to hear the state let them get vaccinated. Maybe offer vaccines to everyone in their house and all those they come in close contact with too. Might help and might be a really good idea. Sorry to say is teachers prefer having our loved ones alive over teaching in person. (I am teaching in person but I understand the anxiety many teachers are facing- I feel safe in my situation and only have 6-8 kids in person per day.

"Family of a teacher" shouldn't be a consideration any more than the families of anyone else who works in person. Teacher's families are not more important than the families of medical professionals, who aren't prioritized. Once again, teachers asking for special treatment.

lol oh wow and it includes not just their families but OTHER close contacts. how much more out of touch can you get?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP- oh and push for the families of teachers to get the vaccine too. Because they’re saying the vaccine may just reduce or eliminate symptoms for the vaccinated person, but that a vaccinated person could still give the virus to someone who then gets symptoms which could be serious or deadly. There’s a lot they don’t know. I know people love to say “trust science” but I have a friend who did her master’s at Harvard and works in biotech in San Fransisco and she refuses to get the vaccine herself because the mRNA technology is too new for her. Her sister who is a nurse did get the vaccine though and has been fine, but who knows the long term effects or for how long it’s effective, or if it only protects the vaccinated person from developing symptoms but they could still pass the virus onto someone who could die.

The class sizes can be insane in VA (I taught there but now in MA). I don’t blame the teachers for being nervous but I’m glad to hear the state let them get vaccinated. Maybe offer vaccines to everyone in their house and all those they come in close contact with too. Might help and might be a really good idea. Sorry to say is teachers prefer having our loved ones alive over teaching in person. (I am teaching in person but I understand the anxiety many teachers are facing- I feel safe in my situation and only have 6-8 kids in person per day.

Out of touch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP- oh and push for the families of teachers to get the vaccine too. Because they’re saying the vaccine may just reduce or eliminate symptoms for the vaccinated person, but that a vaccinated person could still give the virus to someone who then gets symptoms which could be serious or deadly. There’s a lot they don’t know. I know people love to say “trust science” but I have a friend who did her master’s at Harvard and works in biotech in San Fransisco and she refuses to get the vaccine herself because the mRNA technology is too new for her. Her sister who is a nurse did get the vaccine though and has been fine, but who knows the long term effects or for how long it’s effective, or if it only protects the vaccinated person from developing symptoms but they could still pass the virus onto someone who could die.

The class sizes can be insane in VA (I taught there but now in MA). I don’t blame the teachers for being nervous but I’m glad to hear the state let them get vaccinated. Maybe offer vaccines to everyone in their house and all those they come in close contact with too. Might help and might be a really good idea. Sorry to say is teachers prefer having our loved ones alive over teaching in person. (I am teaching in person but I understand the anxiety many teachers are facing- I feel safe in my situation and only have 6-8 kids in person per day.

THIS is how you refute science? My god...what do you teach?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please give link(s) to any evidence of a teacher getting COVID from a student and subsequently dying of COVID in the entire USA.

TIA

This is disingenuous question and you know it OP. Shame on you.

Actually, I think a lot of teachers would like to know the answer. But there is no answer, because no one has been keeping track.

It is very very difficult to prove occupational transmission unless you are constructing phylogenetic relationships of individual sequences AND have full knowledge of timeline and all contacts AND there is either low community caseload or limited contacts between people. There is a reason that occupational health exposures more broadly are such a legal nightmare to prove. Some of the replies in this thread is so disingenuous. As PP pointed out, no one is asking doctors if they got COVID at a restaurant/gym/dinner party. I want schools to open safely too, but teachers are right to be concerned for their health if they are exposed on a daily basis for a prolonged period of time, indoors, with questionable ventilation, to a bunch of kids whose parents have varying levels of COVID safety. Hopefully they can all be vaccinated soon and we can all GTFBackToNormal.