I feel politically lost

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like you, OP, but I’m still voting for Democrats. I’m uncomfortable with the rabid pro-choicers for sure, and kind of agnostic on illegal immigration. But for me, there’s one party that is ok with cutting taxes for the EXTREMELY wealthy while keeping taxes the same for everyone else, cutting all government services and public education, doesn’t see mass shootings as a crisis, and wants to keep people from voting through shady tactics, and one party that doesn’t want to do those things. So I know what party I’m voting for even if they don’t represent me 100% of the time.

I’m a PP and I also will continue to vote for Dems over GOP, but...not everyone will. And I will certainly speak out against the move to the left. We should remember that people vote with their pocketbooks.

I’m not so sure that “people vote with their pocketbooks” is true anymore. If that was true, you’d see a lot of low income people voting for Democrats because they are the ones who want to expand Medicare through the ACA and give more government services generally. Instead a lot of lower income people vote Republican which tends to make their financial situations the same, if not worse.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so politically lost. I grew up in a "vote Democrat or die" home and was raised to believe that Republicans were the source of all problems in America. However, as the Democrats moved further to the left and I saw firsthand how the culture and policies of dependency impacted my family, I identified less and less with Democrats (I'm also a closeted pro-lifer and I'm not very sympathetic to illegal immigration so that doesn't help in today's Democratic Party). However, the current GOP is repulsive and amoral and there's no way in heck I can support their agenda which I think is chipping away at our democracy. I'm not going to vote Republican (haven't since Bush at the national level), but I don't feel wanted by the Democrats, so I feel lost. Voting for a 3rd party might feel emotionally right but won't help to solve our nation's problems. Is anyone else feeling lost and disillusioned in today's political world? If so, how are you coping with it?

OP, this is me also.

Have voted Democrat in ALL the last presidential elections.

Agree that the Democrats have gone so far off the rails, and that I absolutely do not feel that they care about or want my vote.

I am actually going to be voting for Trump in the next election. I don’t like him as a person, but I can say that about many people I work with.

It is what it is.

Pick what issues matter most to you and vote based on those. Agree that you will not align completely with any candidate.

Such a predictable script.

Indeed. Anyone who would think that Trump would be a better pick for the country after what he has pulled is either brain-dead or completely amoral. Period. End of discussion.

Do you even hear yourself? Do you hear how much you sound like the Taliban? Or fundamentalist Christians?

No thanks. I'll keep my 'amoral' vote for Trump.

Yes, that's right, PP. You forget that Republicans have given up on morality all together. They are the party of amorality and Faustian bargains. As long as they get theirs, Satan himself can come and take America.

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OP is either a troll or really dumb. There ARE some people who can claim to be politically lost: actual conservatives and liberatarians with principals, who now have no party they can join with good conscience. Also conservatives of color who have to chose between their political beliefs and a racist party.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait a second. Someone doesn’t identify w/ current Democratic “messaging” (my words), and you’re calling a troll?

Really?
Why? You do that to your own detriment. Come on, guys. Get real. I’m 100% certain OP is legit because I know a lot of people just like OP.

Yep.

I think some posters need to get out of their liberal bubble and see that there are people who think differently than they do.

I don't disagree with the existence of the liberal bubble, but you have to be a giant dummy not to see that the current perception of the Democratic party as being "too far left" is being driven by GOP propaganda, and not the actual messaging. If you are getting your news from Fox and believe that all the Democratic candidates are for immediate abolition of the border and don't care about the coming brown menace ... well then, I don't think the problem is the liberal bubble.

Wow, dude, we are talking about Democrats who don’t identify anymore! We watch MSNBC and read the New York Times and the Economist and listen to NPR! I’m telling this to you because some PP’s aren’t quite understanding... we’re not talking about Republicans or Fox News watchers.

what do you concretely not identify with? 10/10 that it's actually a right-wing caricature. That's not to say there are not extremists on the left - of course there are - but that's always been the case. If you can't distinguish between the party mainstreams and extremists who have little influence, I don't know what to tell you.

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Anonymous wrote:I forgot mocking disabled people, war veterans, and the parents of people killed on active duty! Also, grabbing women by the p*ssy. Forgot those things too!

Another person missing the point. This is a thread about Democrats not identifying with current Dem candidates & their ideology. Many many Democrats would be in this category. This is not a thread about Democrats who like Trump. Every democrat I know hates Trump, but that doesn’t mean they like Bernie Sanders/AOC platform either.

This is me. I don't like Trump, but I REALLY don't like the Sanders/AOC/Harris platform at all. Ten hour school days from Kamala Harris? No thanks.

Interestingly, many of my Jewish/Israeli friends who always tended to vote Democratic are re-thinking their position in the Democratic party. Can you blame them?

We older Democrats who voted for Hillary see the Rolling Stone cover with Pelosi and Omar and AOC. That lets people know, loud and clear, where the Democratic party wants to go, and who it wants to leave behind.

That was having aftercare at schools. Pay attention.

^^ this is what I mean about OP being stupid or trolling. acting like a) Harris can be lumped in with AOC and b) ridiculous smears like Harris wants to make kids labor in the salt mines from 8-6 every day.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who was close to trump is in prison or on their way there.

I still don't believe there is anyone who voted for Hillary who is considering Trump. Let's try another whopper!



This image is now out of date since Stone was CONVICTED!

Sheesh. But tell me again how you look at a large field of qualified candidates and think no, trump's my guy? I mean, he's your guy if you need to shake down someone or get your buddy Rick Perry to score you some big contracts but come on...

I’m not the OP, but I am voting for Trump.

I don’t look at it and think ‘he’s my guy’. I do think that I am voting based on what matters to me. And, currently, Trump has my vote.

So you are a billionaire or racist? Those are the people who benefit from his plans.

A billionaire? Don't I wish. Not in a million years. My HHI is under $140K and we live in Silver Spring, MD. My kids go to a high FARMS/high ESOL school. So, I see on a daily basis how illegal immigration affects my life and I'm voting based on that.

Oh you are that poster. My kids go to a school with FARMS and english as second learners. I don't know their immigration status, and further more I have no idea how you would know anyone's immigration status. You make a lot of generalizing claims on multiple threads about how you know so many illegal immigrants and they aren't here to escape from anything but are instead here for jobs.

It is tiresome and transparent.

Not sure what you mean by ‘that poster’. I can guarantee you that I am not the only anti-illegal immigration poster on DCUM. And definitely not in Silver Spring. Come to our neighborhood and you will hear first-hand the frustration that many middle-class residents of MoCo feel about the Democratic leadership in the county. There are plenty of us, of various races and backgrounds.

And generalizing claims? There are lots of those in this thread from people yelling troll.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait a second. Someone doesn’t identify w/ current Democratic “messaging” (my words), and you’re calling a troll?

Really?
Why? You do that to your own detriment. Come on, guys. Get real. I’m 100% certain OP is legit because I know a lot of people just like OP.

Yep.

I think some posters need to get out of their liberal bubble and see that there are people who think differently than they do.

I don't disagree with the existence of the liberal bubble, but you have to be a giant dummy not to see that the current perception of the Democratic party as being "too far left" is being driven by GOP propaganda, and not the actual messaging. If you are getting your news from Fox and believe that all the Democratic candidates are for immediate abolition of the border and don't care about the coming brown menace ... well then, I don't think the problem is the liberal bubble.

Wow, dude, we are talking about Democrats who don’t identify anymore! We watch MSNBC and read the New York Times and the Economist and listen to NPR! I’m telling this to you because some PP’s aren’t quite understanding... we’re not talking about Republicans or Fox News watchers.

what do you concretely not identify with? 10/10 that it's actually a right-wing caricature. That's not to say there are not extremists on the left - of course there are - but that's always been the case. If you can't distinguish between the party mainstreams and extremists who have little influence, I don't know what to tell you.

My dissatisfaction has nothing to do with a "right-ring caricature" of Democrats. You have to be very careful not to blow off legitimate feelings and disagreements.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait a second. Someone doesn’t identify w/ current Democratic “messaging” (my words), and you’re calling a troll?

Really?
Why? You do that to your own detriment. Come on, guys. Get real. I’m 100% certain OP is legit because I know a lot of people just like OP.

Yep.

I think some posters need to get out of their liberal bubble and see that there are people who think differently than they do.

I don't disagree with the existence of the liberal bubble, but you have to be a giant dummy not to see that the current perception of the Democratic party as being "too far left" is being driven by GOP propaganda, and not the actual messaging. If you are getting your news from Fox and believe that all the Democratic candidates are for immediate abolition of the border and don't care about the coming brown menace ... well then, I don't think the problem is the liberal bubble.

Wow, dude, we are talking about Democrats who don’t identify anymore! We watch MSNBC and read the New York Times and the Economist and listen to NPR! I’m telling this to you because some PP’s aren’t quite understanding... we’re not talking about Republicans or Fox News watchers.

what do you concretely not identify with? 10/10 that it's actually a right-wing caricature. That's not to say there are not extremists on the left - of course there are - but that's always been the case. If you can't distinguish between the party mainstreams and extremists who have little influence, I don't know what to tell you.

Sorry, i forgot to answer:

I don't identify with LGBQT issues. I want my neighborhood to be safe and homeless free (I live in California). I want the government to prosecute drug crimes, which us Democrats have moved away from. I have three young kids and I really care about the quality of public schools. I want high achieving classical school curriculums, and programs that help struggling students.

The issue I care most about is the environment and I'm annoyed that it takes the back burner. I have no problem paying taxes because we must fund our good schools and police and other services....however DO NOT MAKE MINE HIGHER, please, i am begging.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who was close to trump is in prison or on their way there.

I still don't believe there is anyone who voted for Hillary who is considering Trump. Let's try another whopper!



This image is now out of date since Stone was CONVICTED!

Sheesh. But tell me again how you look at a large field of qualified candidates and think no, trump's my guy? I mean, he's your guy if you need to shake down someone or get your buddy Rick Perry to score you some big contracts but come on...

I’m not the OP, but I am voting for Trump.

I don’t look at it and think ‘he’s my guy’. I do think that I am voting based on what matters to me. And, currently, Trump has my vote.

So you are a billionaire or racist? Those are the people who benefit from his plans.

A billionaire? Don't I wish. Not in a million years. My HHI is under $140K and we live in Silver Spring, MD. My kids go to a high FARMS/high ESOL school. So, I see on a daily basis how illegal immigration affects my life and I'm voting based on that.

Oh you are that poster. My kids go to a school with FARMS and english as second learners. I don't know their immigration status, and further more I have no idea how you would know anyone's immigration status. You make a lot of generalizing claims on multiple threads about how you know so many illegal immigrants and they aren't here to escape from anything but are instead here for jobs.

It is tiresome and transparent.

Not sure what you mean by ‘that poster’. I can guarantee you that I am not the only anti-illegal immigration poster on DCUM. And definitely not in Silver Spring. Come to our neighborhood and you will hear first-hand the frustration that many middle-class residents of MoCo feel about the Democratic leadership in the county. There are plenty of us, of various races and backgrounds.

And generalizing claims? There are lots of those in this thread from people yelling troll.

DP. Are you the teacher who post frequently on here?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so politically lost. I grew up in a "vote Democrat or die" home and was raised to believe that Republicans were the source of all problems in America. However, as the Democrats moved further to the left and I saw firsthand how the culture and policies of dependency impacted my family, I identified less and less with Democrats (I'm also a closeted pro-lifer and I'm not very sympathetic to illegal immigration so that doesn't help in today's Democratic Party). However, the current GOP is repulsive and amoral and there's no way in heck I can support their agenda which I think is chipping away at our democracy. I'm not going to vote Republican (haven't since Bush at the national level), but I don't feel wanted by the Democrats, so I feel lost. Voting for a 3rd party might feel emotionally right but won't help to solve our nation's problems. Is anyone else feeling lost and disillusioned in today's political world? If so, how are you coping with it?

OP, this is me also.

Have voted Democrat in ALL the last presidential elections.

Agree that the Democrats have gone so far off the rails, and that I absolutely do not feel that they care about or want my vot

I am actually going to be voting for Trump in the next election. I don’t like him as a person, but I can say that about many people I work with.

It is what it is.

Pick what issues matter most to you and vote based on those. Agree that you will not align completely with any candidate.

Lol, no. I don't believe you. There is literally no person like this. Try again.

Actually FEWER people support Trump now than ever. And certainly no democrat who voted for Hillary is going to vote for Trump now.

Nice try. HA HA HA HA HA HA

It’s okay. You don’t have to believe me. Honestly, my vote for Trump means nothing anyway because he has zero chance in crazy liberal MoCo.

I am voting based on the economy and on immigration. The economy is doing well and I want someone who is going to take a hard line on immigration.

I am pro-choice, but not strongly enough that it will influence my vote.

If you think Trump is the best person to help with anything other than tearing apart our republic with fear-mongering and hate-speech while lining his own pockets, you are painfully ignorant.

Who are these people who are such suckers?

I wish all of you pro-Trumpers on here would be honest with the rest of us in your daily lives so we can know not to trust you with anything.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so politically lost. I grew up in a "vote Democrat or die" home and was raised to believe that Republicans were the source of all problems in America. However, as the Democrats moved further to the left and I saw firsthand how the culture and policies of dependency impacted my family, I identified less and less with Democrats (I'm also a closeted pro-lifer and I'm not very sympathetic to illegal immigration so that doesn't help in today's Democratic Party). However, the current GOP is repulsive and amoral and there's no way in heck I can support their agenda which I think is chipping away at our democracy. I'm not going to vote Republican (haven't since Bush at the national level), but I don't feel wanted by the Democrats, so I feel lost. Voting for a 3rd party might feel emotionally right but won't help to solve our nation's problems. Is anyone else feeling lost and disillusioned in today's political world? If so, how are you coping with it?

OP, this is me also.

Have voted Democrat in ALL the last presidential elections.

Agree that the Democrats have gone so far off the rails, and that I absolutely do not feel that they care about or want my vot

I am actually going to be voting for Trump in the next election. I don’t like him as a person, but I can say that about many people I work with.

It is what it is.

Pick what issues matter most to you and vote based on those. Agree that you will not align completely with any candidate.

Lol, no. I don't believe you. There is literally no person like this. Try again.

Actually FEWER people support Trump now than ever. And certainly no democrat who voted for Hillary is going to vote for Trump now.

Nice try. HA HA HA HA HA HA

Well, you have now met one. DH is still on the fence, but is considering voting for Trump. Or possibly 3rd party. He also voted for Hillary last time and watching the debates realized that he can’t vote for many of the potential Democratic candidates.

So you would rather vote for a known criminal, Trump, who has no clue what he is doing, because why? Because you are afraid of someone talking about universal health-care (which won't happen)?

Good Lord.

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Sorry, i forgot to answer:

I don't identify with LGBQT issues. I want my neighborhood to be safe and homeless free (I live in California). I want the government to prosecute drug crimes, which us Democrats have moved away from. I have three young kids and I really care about the quality of public schools. I want high achieving classical school curriculums, and programs that help struggling students.

The issue I care most about is the environment and I'm annoyed that it takes the back burner. I have no problem paying taxes because we must fund our good schools and police and other services....however DO NOT MAKE MINE HIGHER, please, i am begging.

1) LGBQT issues are human rights - just treat everyone equally.
2) Your complaints about taxes for schools and police is a local, not federal issue, which also true of local crime prosecution etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who was close to trump is in prison or on their way there.

I still don't believe there is anyone who voted for Hillary who is considering Trump. Let's try another whopper!



This image is now out of date since Stone was CONVICTED!

Sheesh. But tell me again how you look at a large field of qualified candidates and think no, trump's my guy? I mean, he's your guy if you need to shake down someone or get your buddy Rick Perry to score you some big contracts but come on...

I’m not the OP, but I am voting for Trump.

I don’t look at it and think ‘he’s my guy’. I do think that I am voting based on what matters to me. And, currently, Trump has my vote.

So you are a billionaire or racist? Those are the people who benefit from his plans.

A billionaire? Don't I wish. Not in a million years. My HHI is under $140K and we live in Silver Spring, MD. My kids go to a high FARMS/high ESOL school. So, I see on a daily basis how illegal immigration affects my life and I'm voting based on that.

Oh you are that poster. My kids go to a school with FARMS and english as second learners. I don't know their immigration status, and further more I have no idea how you would know anyone's immigration status. You make a lot of generalizing claims on multiple threads about how you know so many illegal immigrants and they aren't here to escape from anything but are instead here for jobs.

It is tiresome and transparent.

Not sure what you mean by ‘that poster’. I can guarantee you that I am not the only anti-illegal immigration poster on DCUM. And definitely not in Silver Spring. Come to our neighborhood and you will hear first-hand the frustration that many middle-class residents of MoCo feel about the Democratic leadership in the county. There are plenty of us, of various races and backgrounds.

And generalizing claims? There are lots of those in this thread from people yelling troll.

DP. Are you the teacher who post frequently on here?

No, I am not the teacher. And, that's one of the reasons why I say that I can guarantee that I am not the only poster that the PP disagrees with. Because I have read some of his/her posts and sometimes agree with what he/she says.

You can be as dismissive as you'd like, but there are definitely a few of us who feel this way.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so politically lost. I grew up in a "vote Democrat or die" home and was raised to believe that Republicans were the source of all problems in America. However, as the Democrats moved further to the left and I saw firsthand how the culture and policies of dependency impacted my family, I identified less and less with Democrats (I'm also a closeted pro-lifer and I'm not very sympathetic to illegal immigration so that doesn't help in today's Democratic Party). However, the current GOP is repulsive and amoral and there's no way in heck I can support their agenda which I think is chipping away at our democracy. I'm not going to vote Republican (haven't since Bush at the national level), but I don't feel wanted by the Democrats, so I feel lost. Voting for a 3rd party might feel emotionally right but won't help to solve our nation's problems. Is anyone else feeling lost and disillusioned in today's political world? If so, how are you coping with it?

OP, this is me also.

Have voted Democrat in ALL the last presidential elections.

Agree that the Democrats have gone so far off the rails, and that I absolutely do not feel that they care about or want my vote.

I am actually going to be voting for Trump in the next election. I don’t like him as a person, but I can say that about many people I work with.

It is what it is.

Pick what issues matter most to you and vote based on those. Agree that you will not align completely with any candidate.

Such a predictable script.

Indeed. Anyone who would think that Trump would be a better pick for the country after what he has pulled is either brain-dead or completely amoral. Period. End of discussion.

You are entirely missing the point. You’re talking about Democrats who hate Trump, lol, but neither do they identify with the left. It’s called the “middle” and it’s where most of America belongs.

Yes, I agree with your point about the "middle". I count myself as a person in the middle.

But any reasonably intelligent person who
-gives thought to how they feel about individual policies and issues and tries to educate themselves through multiple sources about these issues
-believes in the Constitution and the protections it affords
-believes in the system with three branches that provide checks and balances
-believes that our politicians should not only be held to ethical standards, but HIGHER ethical standards than the average citizen because of the power that they wield and the way their decisions affect all of us now and in the future
-believes that good relations with allies around the world are essential for the safety and security of American citizens at home and abroad
--I could go on but hopefully you get it--
any person who holds these things dear cannot possibly support Trump. Even if you took a chance on him in 2016, thinking he might rise to the occasion, it is clear he cannot and will not.

If you love this country, if you believe in the principles it was founded on, you cannot continue to support Trump. And right now, on the national stage anyway, the GOP has lined up behind him to defend his obviously wrong behavior.

The Democrats are not a monolith. If you fear the policies of the more left-wing members of the party, don't vote for them. Vote for a more moderate candidate. They exist. If you don't think so, you aren't paying attention.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who was close to trump is in prison or on their way there.

I still don't believe there is anyone who voted for Hillary who is considering Trump. Let's try another whopper!

This image is now out of date since Stone was CONVICTED!

Sheesh. But tell me again how you look at a large field of qualified candidates and think no, trump's my guy? I mean, he's your guy if you need to shake down someone or get your buddy Rick Perry to score you some big contracts but come on...

I’m not the OP, but I am voting for Trump.

I don’t look at it and think ‘he’s my guy’. I do think that I am voting based on what matters to me. And, currently, Trump has my vote.

So you are a billionaire or racist? Those are the people who benefit from his plans.

A billionaire? Don't I wish. Not in a million years. My HHI is under $140K and we live in Silver Spring, MD. My kids go to a high FARMS/high ESOL school. So, I see on a daily basis how illegal immigration affects my life and I'm voting based on that.

Oh you are that poster. My kids go to a school with FARMS and english as second learners. I don't know their immigration status, and further more I have no idea how you would know anyone's immigration status. You make a lot of generalizing claims on multiple threads about how you know so many illegal immigrants and they aren't here to escape from anything but are instead here for jobs.

It is tiresome and transparent.

Tiresome? LOL

It's tiresome to be called a troll simply because you don't agree with the 'progressive' Democrats.

It's tiresome to be called a racist simply because you support Trump.

It's tiresome to have all your concerns summarily dismissed because you are not in lockstep with Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren.