DH texting much younger woman on Signal, should I worry?

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Anonymous wrote:I remember your thread, and I think I replied on it.

My response is the same. I spent a number of years in Eastern Europe, and I am familiar with the cultural attitudes toward young women/older men AND I watched a number of expat marriages implode due to middle aged (or older) men having affairs with young women who threw themselves at them.

You have good reason to worry. I would never, ever have just let this go, and I'm not surprised it is progressing in this way.

Your DH's age means nothing in this situation.

Is it a cultural thing that young Eastern european women are into old men?

In the two EE countries where I lived, relationships were not based so much on the guy being young and hot. It was more about whether he was a good provider who could take care of her. In one of the EE countries (I lived there for 5 years), men had a vastly shorter predicted lifespan due to widespread alcohol use (also cultural). To put it simply, there was a lot more competition for the good guys. And most people lived in relative poverty. If you grow up in that culture, your perspective is going to be different from that of a middle class white American girl who grew up in a comfy suburb with everything she needed/wanted. In that culture, a young hot guy who is an alcoholic or who lives in a tiny, dark Soviet era flat and isn't ever getting out is simply not something you would see as desirable. An older, established guy who can take care of you and offer a better life is going to be a great pick and there will be tons of young women competing for him. Nobody is commenting on his age.

Again, I saw this play out so many times with expat couples where the middle aged or older man had an affair with one or more of the gorgeous young women who swarmed him. These guys never got that kind of attention in the US. The girls were happy to have an older, paunchy American husband who offered them a standard of living beyond anything they could have hoped for if they stuck with "young hot" guys they knew from school or their (ugly, cramped, overpopulated) blocks of flats.

The way you think of and assess mates is completely different.

Did they leave their wives?

Yes, always. I saw this happen multiple times. Each time, the man was besotted with his young girlfriend, and each time, the humiliated American wife ended up moving home while the husband remarried his young girlfriend and enjoyed no change in social status among the expat community. It was very disheartening to watch how the other US men, married or not, really seemed to admire the man who had hooked up with a hot young EE girlfriend and discarded his middle aged wife. Before I left the US, I would never have imagined that this would be the case, to this degree. They had all seemed to be happily married, settled fathers prior to dumping their wives overseas. A lot of times the affairs wrecked their relationships with their children, but they didn't seem to care.

They usually had a new baby to start their new family fairly quickly, though were not pregnant at time of marriage. The girls really wanted a family experience.

The worst case was when a middle aged American man actually worked two offices down from his middle aged American wife. He started a blatant affair with a 21 year old EE secretary, and made no attempt to hide it when he moved out of the house he shared with his wife. She moved home and he married the young girl. He still works in the same job in that country. They have two young children now.

Yes, this culture does explain Melania. No woman in Eastern Europe thinks a stable provider is less than a catch, no matter what he looks like. They just don't have the same priorities.

I suppose I can understand the mindset, having seen the way many of these girls and their families grew up. But no way would I be happy if my DH were messaging one of them or hanging out with her, or showing her special attention. I know where that leads.

I have worked with these EE women and the nasty men who marry them and saw first hand affairs go down and trailing male spouses marry these women and settle down. Two observations:
1. It is about more than money and security. These women love duping dumb Americans. They also love making old American women jealous. When you are upset they are super trilled!!!

2. We think you old men with young women are disgusting. We (I’m Ukrainian, FWIW) think the woman are low-rent girls from the village with no education who could do no more than lay in their backs to get ahead.

You sure are jealous and racist against EE women. Plenty of low rent people everywhere, on this board in fact.

If you have a spouse that cheats, you've married a low rent person right there. That's the bigger problem IMO.

1. YOU are rather arrogantly eager to dismiss the unfortunate, grinding poverty and injustices with which many people grow up and live. These are the reasons for the way they view dating and mating. Insisting that women everywhere have the same opportunities and goals is horribly misogynistic, and only shows off your own ignorance. Have you lived in EE? No? Then learn a little bit from people who have.

2. And having seen all of this play out in EE, I would disagree with the term "low rent." Yes, many of the women were poor, but I was in the capital, and many of them were college educated and generally good people. They did the best with what they had. It is very hard to get ahead in that place, especially if you are a woman. It was sad and depressing to watch, but again, I am sympathetic to the circumstances of others. I might be doing the same if I had been born into that situation.

I had friends who were locals and I went to their homes. It is a different world, and very hard, if not impossible, for most people to get out of there. Not all of those girls were malicious or just out to mess with the foreigners. Many really did want a family and a man who would love her, not drink, and provide comfort and security she could only dream about.

You're lumping all EE women into the same category which is wrong. Now you're trying to back peddle and spin it around. Again not related to OP's problem. Her husband may be cheating with a neighbor. Something OP needs to address right away even if she doesn't like confrontations.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember your thread, and I think I replied on it.

My response is the same. I spent a number of years in Eastern Europe, and I am familiar with the cultural attitudes toward young women/older men AND I watched a number of expat marriages implode due to middle aged (or older) men having affairs with young women who threw themselves at them.

You have good reason to worry. I would never, ever have just let this go, and I'm not surprised it is progressing in this way.

Your DH's age means nothing in this situation.

Is it a cultural thing that young Eastern european women are into old men?

Old men with money, Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember your thread, and I think I replied on it.

My response is the same. I spent a number of years in Eastern Europe, and I am familiar with the cultural attitudes toward young women/older men AND I watched a number of expat marriages implode due to middle aged (or older) men having affairs with young women who threw themselves at them.

You have good reason to worry. I would never, ever have just let this go, and I'm not surprised it is progressing in this way.

Your DH's age means nothing in this situation.

Is it a cultural thing that young Eastern european women are into old men?

Old men with money, Yes.

It's more like they'll put up with old for the money, and "money" is not of the same definition as it would be a middle class/UMC American.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember your thread, and I think I replied on it.

My response is the same. I spent a number of years in Eastern Europe, and I am familiar with the cultural attitudes toward young women/older men AND I watched a number of expat marriages implode due to middle aged (or older) men having affairs with young women who threw themselves at them.

You have good reason to worry. I would never, ever have just let this go, and I'm not surprised it is progressing in this way.

Your DH's age means nothing in this situation.

Is it a cultural thing that young Eastern european women are into old men?

In the two EE countries where I lived, relationships were not based so much on the guy being young and hot. It was more about whether he was a good provider who could take care of her. In one of the EE countries (I lived there for 5 years), men had a vastly shorter predicted lifespan due to widespread alcohol use (also cultural). To put it simply, there was a lot more competition for the good guys. And most people lived in relative poverty. If you grow up in that culture, your perspective is going to be different from that of a middle class white American girl who grew up in a comfy suburb with everything she needed/wanted. In that culture, a young hot guy who is an alcoholic or who lives in a tiny, dark Soviet era flat and isn't ever getting out is simply not something you would see as desirable. An older, established guy who can take care of you and offer a better life is going to be a great pick and there will be tons of young women competing for him. Nobody is commenting on his age.

Again, I saw this play out so many times with expat couples where the middle aged or older man had an affair with one or more of the gorgeous young women who swarmed him. These guys never got that kind of attention in the US. The girls were happy to have an older, paunchy American husband who offered them a standard of living beyond anything they could have hoped for if they stuck with "young hot" guys they knew from school or their (ugly, cramped, overpopulated) blocks of flats.

The way you think of and assess mates is completely different.

This precisely explains Melania Trump.
Gold digging is one thing, and I understand the perspective of seeking a provider versus looks since looks fade anyway, but even I can't comprehend how someone could tolerate not only the abuse and vile personality but also the ghastly, repulsive looks of Donald Trump, and all the money in the world would not make having to sleep against that fat orange...thing... Jabba the Hutt ...every night, any less of a hell. It just shows you how ingrained this perspective is, which even Melania is now regretting. Not that I feel any sympathy for her, but she does appear miserable since being first lady to a fascist regime is NOT what she signed up for.

We don't know why she married Trump. Same with Bill, Hillary, or Michelle O. How do you know Melania is regretting marrying this guy? She could easily divorce and still be well off. Hillary, Bill or MO aren't the most attractive people either, nor do we know why their spouses married or stay married to them. Who cares, your post seems all about a political agenda. Not related to this topic.

I mean they certainly seem in love, right? Melania and Donald are always so joyous around each other. The warmth is palpable.

Well, maybe if you didn't deliberately choose a photo that only supports your view. Try not to be so obvious next time.

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Any update OP?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember your thread, and I think I replied on it.

My response is the same. I spent a number of years in Eastern Europe, and I am familiar with the cultural attitudes toward young women/older men AND I watched a number of expat marriages implode due to middle aged (or older) men having affairs with young women who threw themselves at them.

You have good reason to worry. I would never, ever have just let this go, and I'm not surprised it is progressing in this way.

Your DH's age means nothing in this situation.

Is it a cultural thing that young Eastern european women are into old men?

In the two EE countries where I lived, relationships were not based so much on the guy being young and hot. It was more about whether he was a good provider who could take care of her. In one of the EE countries (I lived there for 5 years), men had a vastly shorter predicted lifespan due to widespread alcohol use (also cultural). To put it simply, there was a lot more competition for the good guys. And most people lived in relative poverty. If you grow up in that culture, your perspective is going to be different from that of a middle class white American girl who grew up in a comfy suburb with everything she needed/wanted. In that culture, a young hot guy who is an alcoholic or who lives in a tiny, dark Soviet era flat and isn't ever getting out is simply not something you would see as desirable. An older, established guy who can take care of you and offer a better life is going to be a great pick and there will be tons of young women competing for him. Nobody is commenting on his age.

Again, I saw this play out so many times with expat couples where the middle aged or older man had an affair with one or more of the gorgeous young women who swarmed him. These guys never got that kind of attention in the US. The girls were happy to have an older, paunchy American husband who offered them a standard of living beyond anything they could have hoped for if they stuck with "young hot" guys they knew from school or their (ugly, cramped, overpopulated) blocks of flats.

The way you think of and assess mates is completely different.

Did they leave their wives?

Yes, always. I saw this happen multiple times. Each time, the man was besotted with his young girlfriend, and each time, the humiliated American wife ended up moving home while the husband remarried his young girlfriend and enjoyed no change in social status among the expat community. It was very disheartening to watch how the other US men, married or not, really seemed to admire the man who had hooked up with a hot young EE girlfriend and discarded his middle aged wife. Before I left the US, I would never have imagined that this would be the case, to this degree. They had all seemed to be happily married, settled fathers prior to dumping their wives overseas. A lot of times the affairs wrecked their relationships with their children, but they didn't seem to care.

They usually had a new baby to start their new family fairly quickly, though were not pregnant at time of marriage. The girls really wanted a family experience.

The worst case was when a middle aged American man actually worked two offices down from his middle aged American wife. He started a blatant affair with a 21 year old EE secretary, and made no attempt to hide it when he moved out of the house he shared with his wife. She moved home and he married the young girl. He still works in the same job in that country. They have two young children now.

Yes, this culture does explain Melania. No woman in Eastern Europe thinks a stable provider is less than a catch, no matter what he looks like. They just don't have the same priorities.

I suppose I can understand the mindset, having seen the way many of these girls and their families grew up. But no way would I be happy if my DH were messaging one of them or hanging out with her, or showing her special attention. I know where that leads.

I have worked with these EE women and the nasty men who marry them and saw first hand affairs go down and trailing male spouses marry these women and settle down. Two observations:
1. It is about more than money and security. These women love duping dumb Americans. They also love making old American women jealous. When you are upset they are super trilled!!!

2. We think you old men with young women are disgusting. We (I’m Ukrainian, FWIW) think the woman are low-rent girls from the village with no education who could do no more than lay in their backs to get ahead.

You sure are jealous and racist against EE women. Plenty of low rent people everywhere, on this board in fact.

If you have a spouse that cheats, you've married a low rent person right there. That's the bigger problem IMO.

NP: I don't think this poster is jealous or racist, I think they have lived in EE and know the dynamic.

OP I think you should put an end to this. Nothing good can of it. At the moment your DH is all comfortable thinking that you aren't going anywhere and he can maybe have his fling on the side. I would let him know you have had enough of this little thing whatever it is and the friendship needs to be over. Let him know that you have no problem walking away if he chooses a friendship with her over your 20-30 year marriage. If she is a neighbour then that complicates things.

I know it should be ok to have friendships of the opposite sex within a marriage however if those friendships bring issues then it isn't worth it. Both parties should be putting their marriage first.

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If he is using an app just to text w/her, then that is a red flag to me that he is definitely doing things on the down low that he doesn’t want you to find out about.

Definitely talk to your husband.

Good luck.

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Anonymous wrote:The Vanity Fair article on Melania, her upbringing and her parents’ relationship was extremely insightful on why Melania probably married Trump. And she’s not stupid, she wasn’t fooled into that marriage. If you’re wondering why an attractive woman from an Eastern European country would enter into a marriage like that or be attracted to someone old enough to be their father, read it. This could be what is happening to OP

OP, take screen shots or photos from your own phone as evidence.

Women do it here left and right. They target a not so attractive man because he's easy pickens. Married or not.

Most probably want a better lifestyle for them and their kids. An established older man will be willing to provide that for youth and sex. It's rarely about love, though the older man sadly thinks it is. Her DH is loving the attention, and the excitement from a con artist. Doesn't matter where the twit is from, it's everywhere!

Also, Many more unattractive men than DT. Look at that Kelly Conway's husband, tell me what that's about. Both have great careers, but for the life of me.....again you never really know why couples marry or stay together. If it works that's great.

Kelly Conway is in no way attractive. That comparison has no bearing on the Melania/DT situation.

For her husband she is! DT is a average old guy, he's hitting 70 fyi.

Kellyanne Conway is not attractive but she looks like she could have been when she was younger and looking less like a skeletor coke addict.

Trump does not look like an average old guy. He's obese and orange with stupid hair and tiny hands. He's hideous. There are 70 year olds who are still in shape or who at least age with grace and dignity. It's not only Trump's personality and politics that makes him unattractive. It's the fact that he's VERY fat and tries to deny it, he has gross white bags under his eyes that clash with fake orange skin, a turkey neck and a mouth that looks like a sphincter.

I disagree that Kellyanne Conway was attractive when she was younger. Her actual face is ugly. I’m sure she looked better but I’m sure she always had her big chin and horse face. That said...Kellyanne and George make sense in a way that Melania and DT don’t. As loathsome as she is Kellyanne seems smart and career focused. She has been successful as a woman in the space she works in. George also seems career oriented and intelligent. Plus I could see them at home gossiping about people.

Melania and DT seem like they have absolutely nothing in common. Like not a single thing. Totally agree that DT is worse looking than the average 70 year old because the average 70 year old is not morbidly obese (examples: Samuel Jackson, Bruce Springsteen, Rick springfield, etc).

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I remember reading a magazine article years ago about American men who travel to places like Ukraine specifically to find wives. They often believe the women there treated them better than American women ever did.

This did use to be the case, but is far far less common now. However, as someone who has spent years in that region, I will note that PP's assessment of how people gauge partners is spot-on, as is their assessment of how North American men act in such a climate.

I saw men who I would have sworn were solid and committed partners just lose their minds when they realized that the women they could attract in Eastern Europe were "higher status" than women they were with. Up to and including grown-ass men dating girls. Not women, girls. They would tell themselves and anyone who would listen that it was cultural, but it was actually just gross.

No, it isn't. I worked in Kyiv for a long time (left very recently) and it was VERY common to see Western men there to meet women. Or "meet" them. There ARE still the big tour operations where Western men pay for a package and arrive to be introduced to dozens, sometimes hundreds, of gorgeous women who want to be picked.

Are these men marrying the women? What's stopping them from dumping the old dudes once they have their green cards?

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I remember reading a magazine article years ago about American men who travel to places like Ukraine specifically to find wives. They often believe the women there treated them better than American women ever did.

This did use to be the case, but is far far less common now. However, as someone who has spent years in that region, I will note that PP's assessment of how people gauge partners is spot-on, as is their assessment of how North American men act in such a climate.

I saw men who I would have sworn were solid and committed partners just lose their minds when they realized that the women they could attract in Eastern Europe were "higher status" than women they were with. Up to and including grown-ass men dating girls. Not women, girls. They would tell themselves and anyone who would listen that it was cultural, but it was actually just gross.

No, it isn't. I worked in Kyiv for a long time (left very recently) and it was VERY common to see Western men there to meet women. Or "meet" them. There ARE still the big tour operations where Western men pay for a package and arrive to be introduced to dozens, sometimes hundreds, of gorgeous women who want to be picked.

Are these men marrying the women? What's stopping them from dumping the old dudes once they have their green cards?

Some of them do dump these guys. But others stay because they have limited ability to, or don't want to work.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember your thread, and I think I replied on it.

My response is the same. I spent a number of years in Eastern Europe, and I am familiar with the cultural attitudes toward young women/older men AND I watched a number of expat marriages implode due to middle aged (or older) men having affairs with young women who threw themselves at them.

You have good reason to worry. I would never, ever have just let this go, and I'm not surprised it is progressing in this way.

Your DH's age means nothing in this situation.

Gots to find me an EE woman! I got the paunch and the money.

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Wow my DH was on the path to an emotional affair with an EE woman who married a frumpy guy really young.. I knew that I had to nip it in the butt and I'm glad I did.

It's nip it in the bud, not butt. You nip a flower bud before it blooms. That's what the saying means. It has nothing to do with anyones butt.

Unless you are a dog and the other person is a mailman.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember your thread, and I think I replied on it.

My response is the same. I spent a number of years in Eastern Europe, and I am familiar with the cultural attitudes toward young women/older men AND I watched a number of expat marriages implode due to middle aged (or older) men having affairs with young women who threw themselves at them.

You have good reason to worry. I would never, ever have just let this go, and I'm not surprised it is progressing in this way.

Your DH's age means nothing in this situation.

Is it a cultural thing that young Eastern european women are into old men?

In the two EE countries where I lived, relationships were not based so much on the guy being young and hot. It was more about whether he was a good provider who could take care of her. In one of the EE countries (I lived there for 5 years), men had a vastly shorter predicted lifespan due to widespread alcohol use (also cultural). To put it simply, there was a lot more competition for the good guys. And most people lived in relative poverty. If you grow up in that culture, your perspective is going to be different from that of a middle class white American girl who grew up in a comfy suburb with everything she needed/wanted. In that culture, a young hot guy who is an alcoholic or who lives in a tiny, dark Soviet era flat and isn't ever getting out is simply not something you would see as desirable. An older, established guy who can take care of you and offer a better life is going to be a great pick and there will be tons of young women competing for him. Nobody is commenting on his age.

Again, I saw this play out so many times with expat couples where the middle aged or older man had an affair with one or more of the gorgeous young women who swarmed him. These guys never got that kind of attention in the US. The girls were happy to have an older, paunchy American husband who offered them a standard of living beyond anything they could have hoped for if they stuck with "young hot" guys they knew from school or their (ugly, cramped, overpopulated) blocks of flats.

The way you think of and assess mates is completely different.

Did they leave their wives?

Yes, always. I saw this happen multiple times. Each time, the man was besotted with his young girlfriend, and each time, the humiliated American wife ended up moving home while the husband remarried his young girlfriend and enjoyed no change in social status among the expat community. It was very disheartening to watch how the other US men, married or not, really seemed to admire the man who had hooked up with a hot young EE girlfriend and discarded his middle aged wife. Before I left the US, I would never have imagined that this would be the case, to this degree. They had all seemed to be happily married, settled fathers prior to dumping their wives overseas. A lot of times the affairs wrecked their relationships with their children, but they didn't seem to care.

They usually had a new baby to start their new family fairly quickly, though were not pregnant at time of marriage. The girls really wanted a family experience.

The worst case was when a middle aged American man actually worked two offices down from his middle aged American wife. He started a blatant affair with a 21 year old EE secretary, and made no attempt to hide it when he moved out of the house he shared with his wife. She moved home and he married the young girl. He still works in the same job in that country. They have two young children now.

Yes, this culture does explain Melania. No woman in Eastern Europe thinks a stable provider is less than a catch, no matter what he looks like. They just don't have the same priorities.

I suppose I can understand the mindset, having seen the way many of these girls and their families grew up. But no way would I be happy if my DH were messaging one of them or hanging out with her, or showing her special attention. I know where that leads.

I have worked with these EE women and the nasty men who marry them and saw first hand affairs go down and trailing male spouses marry these women and settle down. Two observations:
1. It is about more than money and security. These women love duping dumb Americans. They also love making old American women jealous. When you are upset they are super trilled!!!

2. We think you old men with young women are disgusting. We (I’m Ukrainian, FWIW) think the woman are low-rent girls from the village with no education who could do no more than lay in their backs to get ahead.

Wow.. You are nasty. And you wonder why men leave women like you..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I remember reading a magazine article years ago about American men who travel to places like Ukraine specifically to find wives. They often believe the women there treated them better than American women ever did.

This did use to be the case, but is far far less common now. However, as someone who has spent years in that region, I will note that PP's assessment of how people gauge partners is spot-on, as is their assessment of how North American men act in such a climate.

I saw men who I would have sworn were solid and committed partners just lose their minds when they realized that the women they could attract in Eastern Europe were "higher status" than women they were with. Up to and including grown-ass men dating girls. Not women, girls. They would tell themselves and anyone who would listen that it was cultural, but it was actually just gross.

No, it isn't. I worked in Kyiv for a long time (left very recently) and it was VERY common to see Western men there to meet women. Or "meet" them. There ARE still the big tour operations where Western men pay for a package and arrive to be introduced to dozens, sometimes hundreds, of gorgeous women who want to be picked.

Are these men marrying the women? What's stopping them from dumping the old dudes once they have their green cards?

My friends father did this and when his wife got the condition off her green card she split immediately. She also showed up with a previously undisclosed child hahaha

I think that sometimes these women think the men are rich because they have a car and own a home but once they are living in the us they realize they aren’t the high status studs they’d imagined.

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I disagree that Kellyanne Conway was attractive when she was younger. Her actual face is ugly. I’m sure she looked better but I’m sure she always had her big chin and horse face. That said...Kellyanne and George make sense in a way that Melania and DT don’t. As loathsome as she is Kellyanne seems smart and career focused. She has been successful as a woman in the space she works in. George also seems career oriented and intelligent. Plus I could see them at home gossiping about people.

I don't disagree that she's gotten ahead.

But let's be clear: Kellyanne Conway's career is ... lying for money.
Specifically, lying for money from wealthy right-wingers who need to lie to the base to get votes for the GOP agenda.

Kellyanne would have a lot more trouble making money in a career where the company had even a smidgen of principles. I can tell you, as a former PR person, that she'd have bombed out of a job at a big PR firm. She's good at lying and selling, but even the big PR firms have a tiny nib of principle and their clients want that. Look at the NRA - they had to go with a pretty small regional PR firm (Ackerman McQueen) because the big agencies didn't want that kind of blood on their hands, even back in the 1980s.