Montgomery County vs. Frederick County

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Frederick is better for ES and MS.

For HS it depends. If you have kids in a HS magnet program in MCPS then that is better but for the general honors/AP or regular path Frederick is better. MCPS is too large and the high schools are getting too big. The mega mall style of schools is an overlooked problem. Once a school surpasses 2000 kids or has a large low income population the quality drops.

how is it better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frederick is better for ES and MS.

For HS it depends. If you have kids in a HS magnet program in MCPS then that is better but for the general honors/AP or regular path Frederick is better. MCPS is too large and the high schools are getting too big. The mega mall style of schools is an overlooked problem. Once a school surpasses 2000 kids or has a large low income population the quality drops.

how is it better?

It's not better according to the data and rankings with the exception of Urbana and Oakdale HS. Anything else is anecdotal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate what MCPS has become from the bottom of my heart. It is still far better than Frederick County. I suspect Howard County is better than MCPS at least the demographcs.

Howard is much much whiter if that's what you mean.

Hmmm...not what I meant, considering I am BROWN. But more students and parents who prioritize education and less of a corrupt and inefficient administration.

I wish that I knew fewer brown (South Asian) people who believe the whiter the school, the better the education or that other (non-South Asian) brown people don’t prioritize education. Maybe you aren’t like that, PP, but I no longer assume brown means not racist.

#factssssssssssss

- Signed a Black lady

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate what MCPS has become from the bottom of my heart. It is still far better than Frederick County. I suspect Howard County is better than MCPS at least the demographcs.

All the objective evidence shows this to be false. I think it's just racist nonsense because HoCo has fewer minorities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many many years ago as a 23 year old, I went to visit Frederick and I literally had a man in the middle of the street say to me, "Go back to Japan," while his friends laughed. Given the lack of diversity in FCPS schools, I'm not at a place where I'm comfortable sending my kids there.

well, too bad you appear to live in the past, as you missed one of the BEST gay pride events in the city this past weekend

Nothing stays the same, but if you're going to base your experiences on your 23 yo self, then you don't want to hear this argument.

NP. In the city of Frederick, there’s tolerance for diversity. However, outside of the city, there are a lot of solid pockets of suspicion and intolerance. My DD (AA/white biracial) and her boyfriend (white) had a very unpleasant weekend at multiple locations in Fredrick Co. neither are particularly liberal and her BF is military. That was just last month. Not “living in the past”. Other friends have had bad experiences for years, including teachers of color who left FCPS for MCPS because of entrenched racism in the schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live on the county line of Moco and Frederick Co. As soon as I turn on 75, I have insurgent row with flags of Trump 2020, Blue Lives Matter, Don't treat on me, and God Bless America stickers all over their trucks. Ot one house but an ENTIRE row of homes. It is like that in Monrovia, Ijamsville, Mount Airy, and parts of Damascus. I feel surrounded by this but thankful I am in the one neighborhood that zones to Moco schools. I could never send my black girls to Windsor Knolls or Green Valley. So, yes, I would not choose Frederick Co. as I know they will not accept my children with kindness when hate literally covers large swaths of the county.

Wait, so you would rather send your kid to Baker Middle than Windsor Knolls middle? Bc there are a few more students of color?

That's cutting off your nose to spite your face

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live on the county line of Moco and Frederick Co. As soon as I turn on 75, I have insurgent row with flags of Trump 2020, Blue Lives Matter, Don't treat on me, and God Bless America stickers all over their trucks. Ot one house but an ENTIRE row of homes. It is like that in Monrovia, Ijamsville, Mount Airy, and parts of Damascus. I feel surrounded by this but thankful I am in the one neighborhood that zones to Moco schools. I could never send my black girls to Windsor Knolls or Green Valley. So, yes, I would not choose Frederick Co. as I know they will not accept my children with kindness when hate literally covers large swaths of the county.

I live in that area as well, and its REALLY not like that at all.

Yes, you will see one or two Trump signs. Which I suppose is one or two more than you see in Takoma Park.

But honestly, PP's post is pretty racist. She sees a Trump sign, and a community of white people and assume ALL of them are racist. That's horrible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live on the county line of Moco and Frederick Co. As soon as I turn on 75, I have insurgent row with flags of Trump 2020, Blue Lives Matter, Don't treat on me, and God Bless America stickers all over their trucks. Ot one house but an ENTIRE row of homes. It is like that in Monrovia, Ijamsville, Mount Airy, and parts of Damascus. I feel surrounded by this but thankful I am in the one neighborhood that zones to Moco schools. I could never send my black girls to Windsor Knolls or Green Valley. So, yes, I would not choose Frederick Co. as I know they will not accept my children with kindness when hate literally covers large swaths of the county.

I live in that area as well, and its REALLY not like that at all.

Yes, you will see one or two Trump signs. Which I suppose is one or two more than you see in Takoma Park.

But honestly, PP's post is pretty racist. She sees a Trump sign, and a community of white people and assume ALL of them are racist. That's horrible.

No, PP's post is not racist. PP's post may be bigoted. But yeesh, if a white person meets a Black person in real life, and the Black person says they could never live in Frederick County because of all of the Trump signs (in 2021!) - please don't tell that Black person they're racist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live on the county line of Moco and Frederick Co. As soon as I turn on 75, I have insurgent row with flags of Trump 2020, Blue Lives Matter, Don't treat on me, and God Bless America stickers all over their trucks. Ot one house but an ENTIRE row of homes. It is like that in Monrovia, Ijamsville, Mount Airy, and parts of Damascus. I feel surrounded by this but thankful I am in the one neighborhood that zones to Moco schools. I could never send my black girls to Windsor Knolls or Green Valley. So, yes, I would not choose Frederick Co. as I know they will not accept my children with kindness when hate literally covers large swaths of the county.

Wait, so you would rather send your kid to Baker Middle than Windsor Knolls middle? Bc there are a few more students of color?

That's cutting off your nose to spite your face

What's so great about Windsor Knolls MS vs. Baker MS? Just that Windsor Knolls MS has a lower percentage of poor students?

Windsor Knolls MS
2020-2021 School Year State-Reported Student Data
(based on September 30 enrollment)

Total Enrollment: 709

Race/Ethnicity (%):
American Indian/Alaskan Native: 0.0%
Asian: 6.1%
Black/African American: 6.8%
Hispanic/Latino: 13.1%
Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander: 0.1%
White: 68.7%
2+ Races: 5.2%

Students Receiving Special Services (%):
Free/Reduced Price Meals: 12.0%
English Language Learners: 1.1%
Special Education: 8.0%

John T. Baker MS

Total Enrollment: 797

Race/Ethnicity (%):
American Indian/Alaskan Native: <5.0%
Asian: 6.1%
Black/African American: 12.8%
Hispanic/Latino: 28.5%
Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander: <5.0%
White: 46.3%
2+ Races: 6.3%

Students Receiving Special Services (%):
Free/Reduced Price Meals: 28.9%
ESOL: <5.0%
Special Education: 13.4%

[Anonymous]

I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live on the county line of Moco and Frederick Co. As soon as I turn on 75, I have insurgent row with flags of Trump 2020, Blue Lives Matter, Don't treat on me, and God Bless America stickers all over their trucks. Ot one house but an ENTIRE row of homes. It is like that in Monrovia, Ijamsville, Mount Airy, and parts of Damascus. I feel surrounded by this but thankful I am in the one neighborhood that zones to Moco schools. I could never send my black girls to Windsor Knolls or Green Valley. So, yes, I would not choose Frederick Co. as I know they will not accept my children with kindness when hate literally covers large swaths of the county.

Wait, so you would rather send your kid to Baker Middle than Windsor Knolls middle? Bc there are a few more students of color?

That's cutting off your nose to spite your face

What's so great about Windsor Knolls MS vs. Baker MS? Just that Windsor Knolls MS has a lower percentage of poor students?

Windsor Knolls MS
2020-2021 School Year State-Reported Student Data
(based on September 30 enrollment)

Total Enrollment: 709

Race/Ethnicity (%):
American Indian/Alaskan Native: 0.0%
Asian: 6.1%
Black/African American: 6.8%
Hispanic/Latino: 13.1%
Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander: 0.1%
White: 68.7%
2+ Races: 5.2%

Students Receiving Special Services (%):
Free/Reduced Price Meals: 12.0%
English Language Learners: 1.1%
Special Education: 8.0%

John T. Baker MS

Total Enrollment: 797

Race/Ethnicity (%):
American Indian/Alaskan Native: <5.0%
Asian: 6.1%
Black/African American: 12.8%
Hispanic/Latino: 28.5%
Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander: <5.0%
White: 46.3%
2+ Races: 6.3%

Students Receiving Special Services (%):
Free/Reduced Price Meals: 28.9%
ESOL: <5.0%
Special Education: 13.4%

Well, it sounds like you're judging the quality of a school based exclusively off diversity and percentage of poor students.

Forget test scores, or math & reading proficiency, just diversity, huh?

Or, just go hang out around those school yards and listen to the kids, and ask yourself which ones are seem more respectful? which ones seem on a better path to success?

And FWIW, this has nothing to do with race. Just listen to how the kids of all races speak, and how they behave at Baker.

You've got blinders on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live on the county line of Moco and Frederick Co. As soon as I turn on 75, I have insurgent row with flags of Trump 2020, Blue Lives Matter, Don't treat on me, and God Bless America stickers all over their trucks. Ot one house but an ENTIRE row of homes. It is like that in Monrovia, Ijamsville, Mount Airy, and parts of Damascus. I feel surrounded by this but thankful I am in the one neighborhood that zones to Moco schools. I could never send my black girls to Windsor Knolls or Green Valley. So, yes, I would not choose Frederick Co. as I know they will not accept my children with kindness when hate literally covers large swaths of the county.

Wait, so you would rather send your kid to Baker Middle than Windsor Knolls middle? Bc there are a few more students of color?

That's cutting off your nose to spite your face

What's so great about Windsor Knolls MS vs. Baker MS? Just that Windsor Knolls MS has a lower percentage of poor students?

Windsor Knolls MS
2020-2021 School Year State-Reported Student Data
(based on September 30 enrollment)

Total Enrollment: 709

Race/Ethnicity (%):
American Indian/Alaskan Native: 0.0%
Asian: 6.1%
Black/African American: 6.8%
Hispanic/Latino: 13.1%
Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander: 0.1%
White: 68.7%
2+ Races: 5.2%

Students Receiving Special Services (%):
Free/Reduced Price Meals: 12.0%
English Language Learners: 1.1%
Special Education: 8.0%

John T. Baker MS

Total Enrollment: 797

Race/Ethnicity (%):
American Indian/Alaskan Native: <5.0%
Asian: 6.1%
Black/African American: 12.8%
Hispanic/Latino: 28.5%
Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander: <5.0%
White: 46.3%
2+ Races: 6.3%

Students Receiving Special Services (%):
Free/Reduced Price Meals: 28.9%
ESOL: <5.0%
Special Education: 13.4%

Well, it sounds like you're judging the quality of a school based exclusively off diversity and percentage of poor students.

Forget test scores, or math & reading proficiency, just diversity, huh?

Or, just go hang out around those school yards and listen to the kids, and ask yourself which ones are seem more respectful? which ones seem on a better path to success?

And FWIW, this has nothing to do with race. Just listen to how the kids of all races speak, and how they behave at Baker.

You've got blinders on.

Eh? A previous poster brought up student demographics. So there are the demographic data - which are, as we all know, highly correlated with standardized test scores, standardized assessments of math and reading proficiency, and some people's personal opinions about student behavior and future student access.

[Anonymous]

*student success, not student access

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live on the county line of Moco and Frederick Co. As soon as I turn on 75, I have insurgent row with flags of Trump 2020, Blue Lives Matter, Don't treat on me, and God Bless America stickers all over their trucks. Ot one house but an ENTIRE row of homes. It is like that in Monrovia, Ijamsville, Mount Airy, and parts of Damascus. I feel surrounded by this but thankful I am in the one neighborhood that zones to Moco schools. I could never send my black girls to Windsor Knolls or Green Valley. So, yes, I would not choose Frederick Co. as I know they will not accept my children with kindness when hate literally covers large swaths of the county.

Wait, so you would rather send your kid to Baker Middle than Windsor Knolls middle? Bc there are a few more students of color?

That's cutting off your nose to spite your face

What's so great about Windsor Knolls MS vs. Baker MS? Just that Windsor Knolls MS has a lower percentage of poor students?

Windsor Knolls MS
2020-2021 School Year State-Reported Student Data
(based on September 30 enrollment)

Total Enrollment: 709

Race/Ethnicity (%):
American Indian/Alaskan Native: 0.0%
Asian: 6.1%
Black/African American: 6.8%
Hispanic/Latino: 13.1%
Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander: 0.1%
White: 68.7%
2+ Races: 5.2%

Students Receiving Special Services (%):
Free/Reduced Price Meals: 12.0%
English Language Learners: 1.1%
Special Education: 8.0%

John T. Baker MS

Total Enrollment: 797

Race/Ethnicity (%):
American Indian/Alaskan Native: <5.0%
Asian: 6.1%
Black/African American: 12.8%
Hispanic/Latino: 28.5%
Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander: <5.0%
White: 46.3%
2+ Races: 6.3%

Students Receiving Special Services (%):
Free/Reduced Price Meals: 28.9%
ESOL: <5.0%
Special Education: 13.4%

Well, it sounds like you're judging the quality of a school based exclusively off diversity and percentage of poor students.

Forget test scores, or math & reading proficiency, just diversity, huh?

Or, just go hang out around those school yards and listen to the kids, and ask yourself which ones are seem more respectful? which ones seem on a better path to success?

And FWIW, this has nothing to do with race. Just listen to how the kids of all races speak, and how they behave at Baker.

You've got blinders on.

Eh? A previous poster brought up student demographics. So there are the demographic data - which are, as we all know, highly correlated with standardized test scores, standardized assessments of math and reading proficiency, and some people's personal opinions about student behavior and future student access.

Right. The PP said they would rather send their kid to the school which produces poorer outcomes because it has more diversity, because they "ASSUME" the other school will not welcome their child with kindness.

First, that's pretty horrible that they just assume they won't welcome their child with kindness. Which, is just wrong. And also, unnecessarily denying their child opportunity to prove some stupid point.

I've been in this area of upper county MoCo, and souther FredCo for a LONG time. The Damascus system is a sh%tshow, especially compared to the schools just a few miles away across the county line