Montgomery County vs. Frederick County

[Anonymous]

Frederick County has a very good program for dyslexic students. They are ahead of MCPS on this count.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

I think everyone knows that Frederick is notorious for their attitudes towards race. My white co-workers even called it Fredneck. Just so you know, it just wasn't a few flags. It was stickers on cars, t-shirts, tattoos. I saw the Confederate flag everywhere. After two years of that and the commute to Frederick, I was more than happy to be transferred to another office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

On Pepco property, state/county right-of-way, or HOA property? Any of those seem problematic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Right. The PP said they would rather send their kid to the school which produces poorer outcomes because it has more diversity, because they "ASSUME" the other school will not welcome their child with kindness.

First, that's pretty horrible that they just assume they won't welcome their child with kindness. Which, is just wrong. And also, unnecessarily denying their child opportunity to prove some stupid point.

I've been in this area of upper county MoCo, and souther FredCo for a LONG time. The Damascus system is a sh%tshow, especially compared to the schools just a few miles away across the county line

Please do explain. If you swapped the student populations at Baker MS and Windsor Knolls MS (Baker students instead attended Windsor Knolls, Windsor Knolls instead attended Baker), the test scores at the two schools would stay the same?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS is better. The only schools to consider at moment would be Urbana High or Middletown High.

I have a child at Oakdale High and we have been very happy. We moved from HoCo and I think the Deer Crossing/OMS/OHS schools were way better than the ones we left in HoCo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Right. The PP said they would rather send their kid to the school which produces poorer outcomes because it has more diversity, because they "ASSUME" the other school will not welcome their child with kindness.

First, that's pretty horrible that they just assume they won't welcome their child with kindness. Which, is just wrong. And also, unnecessarily denying their child opportunity to prove some stupid point.

I've been in this area of upper county MoCo, and souther FredCo for a LONG time. The Damascus system is a sh%tshow, especially compared to the schools just a few miles away across the county line

Please do explain. If you swapped the student populations at Baker MS and Windsor Knolls MS (Baker students instead attended Windsor Knolls, Windsor Knolls instead attended Baker), the test scores at the two schools would stay the same?

Well, who knows. I would rather make my decisions based on actual data, not academic hypothetical thought experiments.

To be honest, I don't have a stake in either school; neither of my children go there, but I have had experience with students from both schools. But I do believe peer group is incredibly important. And the risk of a bad peer group is way too high at Baker. WK is a warm welcoming place, from my experience. To write it off because you think its too white is insulting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

I think everyone knows that Frederick is notorious for their attitudes towards race. My white co-workers even called it Fredneck. Just so you know, it just wasn't a few flags. It was stickers on cars, t-shirts, tattoos. I saw the Confederate flag everywhere. After two years of that and the commute to Frederick, I was more than happy to be transferred to another office.

Sure. But the late 90s was 25 years ago.

MoCo used to be called the place for "rich people and rednecks" when I first moved to the DMV too in the late 90s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Right. The PP said they would rather send their kid to the school which produces poorer outcomes because it has more diversity, because they "ASSUME" the other school will not welcome their child with kindness.

First, that's pretty horrible that they just assume they won't welcome their child with kindness. Which, is just wrong. And also, unnecessarily denying their child opportunity to prove some stupid point.

I've been in this area of upper county MoCo, and souther FredCo for a LONG time. The Damascus system is a sh%tshow, especially compared to the schools just a few miles away across the county line

Please do explain. If you swapped the student populations at Baker MS and Windsor Knolls MS (Baker students instead attended Windsor Knolls, Windsor Knolls instead attended Baker), the test scores at the two schools would stay the same?

Well, who knows. I would rather make my decisions based on actual data, not academic hypothetical thought experiments.

To be honest, I don't have a stake in either school; neither of my children go there, but I have had experience with students from both schools. But I do believe peer group is incredibly important. And the risk of a bad peer group is way too high at Baker. WK is a warm welcoming place, from my experience. To write it off because you think its too white is insulting

Me too! Please include the actual data showing the correlation between demographic factors and standardized test scores in your decision-making.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

I think everyone knows that Frederick is notorious for their attitudes towards race. My white co-workers even called it Fredneck. Just so you know, it just wasn't a few flags. It was stickers on cars, t-shirts, tattoos. I saw the Confederate flag everywhere. After two years of that and the commute to Frederick, I was more than happy to be transferred to another office.

Sure. But the late 90s was 25 years ago.

MoCo used to be called the place for "rich people and rednecks" when I first moved to the DMV too in the late 90s

Lol. I love how within this Forum, there are people saying not to judge the community near SVHS by the gunshots and crime on a different thread, while also judging a community by the prescience of a flag 25 years ago on this thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Right. The PP said they would rather send their kid to the school which produces poorer outcomes because it has more diversity, because they "ASSUME" the other school will not welcome their child with kindness.

First, that's pretty horrible that they just assume they won't welcome their child with kindness. Which, is just wrong. And also, unnecessarily denying their child opportunity to prove some stupid point.

I've been in this area of upper county MoCo, and souther FredCo for a LONG time. The Damascus system is a sh%tshow, especially compared to the schools just a few miles away across the county line

Please do explain. If you swapped the student populations at Baker MS and Windsor Knolls MS (Baker students instead attended Windsor Knolls, Windsor Knolls instead attended Baker), the test scores at the two schools would stay the same?

Well, who knows. I would rather make my decisions based on actual data, not academic hypothetical thought experiments.

To be honest, I don't have a stake in either school; neither of my children go there, but I have had experience with students from both schools. But I do believe peer group is incredibly important. And the risk of a bad peer group is way too high at Baker. WK is a warm welcoming place, from my experience. To write it off because you think its too white is insulting

Me too! Please include the actual data showing the correlation between demographic factors and standardized test scores in your decision-making.

Right. I agree with you. But those same underserved demographic cohorts do better at WK than Baker. So, your argument doesn't hold any water.

I'm not just talking about overall performance of the school, but of like-for-like student cohorts.

You're wrong, and you're bashing a school only because it has more white kids. You feel superior, but you're not

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Right. I agree with you. But those same underserved demographic cohorts do better at WK than Baker. So, your argument doesn't hold any water.

I'm not just talking about overall performance of the school, but of like-for-like student cohorts.

You're wrong, and you're bashing a school only because it has more white kids. You feel superior, but you're not

And you know this, how?

You are bashing Baker. Nobody is bashing WK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Right. I agree with you. But those same underserved demographic cohorts do better at WK than Baker. So, your argument doesn't hold any water.

I'm not just talking about overall performance of the school, but of like-for-like student cohorts.

You're wrong, and you're bashing a school only because it has more white kids. You feel superior, but you're not

And you know this, how?

You are bashing Baker. Nobody is bashing WK.

I know this because that data is publicly available and not that hard to find.

And yes, it may sound like I'm bashing Baker, but its in response to a PP's statement: "I could never send my black girls to Windsor Knolls or Green Valley. So, yes, I would not choose Frederick Co. as I know they will not accept my children with kindness when hate literally covers large swaths of the county."

That is some serious bashing, assuming those schools would not treat students of color with kindness. And since Baker is probably the closest MCPS middle school in proximity to WK, it makes sense to compare the two.

PP is basically saying that they are grateful that their child goes to a school which serves minority students worse than WK, because it has slightly greater diversity. That's why I compared it to "cutting off your nose to spite your face"

This whole argument began with a serious character attack on the culture of WK, which is not in anyway based in fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

I think everyone knows that Frederick is notorious for their attitudes towards race. My white co-workers even called it Fredneck. Just so you know, it just wasn't a few flags. It was stickers on cars, t-shirts, tattoos. I saw the Confederate flag everywhere. After two years of that and the commute to Frederick, I was more than happy to be transferred to another office.

Sure. But the late 90s was 25 years ago.

MoCo used to be called the place for "rich people and rednecks" when I first moved to the DMV too in the late 90s

Nope, not true. You're definitely making this up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to work in Frederick in the late 90's and I had to drive past a Confederate flag, in a yard on a flagpole everyday. This was 25 years ago but I have a feeling the attitudes are still there. Given the choice, I would go with Moco.

There's a HUGE Trump flag and a HUGE 'women for Trump' flag at the intersection of Woodfield Rd & Fieldcrest in Gaithersburg, MD.

You guys want to judge a whole community by the presence of a few flags.

I think everyone knows that Frederick is notorious for their attitudes towards race. My white co-workers even called it Fredneck. Just so you know, it just wasn't a few flags. It was stickers on cars, t-shirts, tattoos. I saw the Confederate flag everywhere. After two years of that and the commute to Frederick, I was more than happy to be transferred to another office.

Sure. But the late 90s was 25 years ago.

MoCo used to be called the place for "rich people and rednecks" when I first moved to the DMV too in the late 90s

Nope, not true. You're definitely making this up

Making it up? The first time I heard that phrase, it was on DC101. Elliott used it on his phrase when they were reporting on some story.

Then, we moved out of DC and into MoCo, and heard the phrase. I haven't heard it in a long time, but "the rich and the rednecks" was a real phrase used to describe MoCo

[Anonymous]

There really is no comparison. Frederick County is about 10 years behind Montgomery County. Why do that to yourself just to get a big house in the middle of nowhere.