Too early to start thinking W&M/UVA?
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Slightly off topic, but Va Tech, which always gets a number of TJ kids in engineering as well as some who turn down UVA for science,* seems to be revamping their admissions to diversify their student body. Princeton’s class of ‘22 (the gold standard for someone on another thread ?) is self-identified as 53% people of color. W&M is more women than men. How is the mission to diversify (which I actually think is worthwhile, so this is not a complaint) going to affect overall admissions at these three schools? What will the effect be statewide and in NOVA? Will it draw more men to W & M?
* though UVa is drawing some with new or revamped physics program |
Anonymous
William and Mary median SAT for admitted students class of 2022: 1460 UVA mean SAT for admitted students class of 2022: 1431 Guess the wind died for UVA |
Anonymous
| Question: What do William and Mary students and UVA students have in common? Answer: They both got into UVA. |
Anonymous
Why is this so important for you? Median SAT means nothing. 75th percentile is what talks. W&M class of 2022 accept is only 87% of top ten percent of high school class. UVA is 94.6% in top ten percent of high school class. UVA's entering GPAs are also higher than W&M. |
Anonymous
According to UVA website and admissions office more than half of enrolled kids don't report HS class rank and are not included in that stat. So that stat is worthless as a comparative measure. |
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Folks, you are splitting hairs ---
Different question: which school has a better foodservice operation UVA or W&M? (not joking, college food quality is important) |
Anonymous
Food ranking in VA VA Tech > JMU > UVA > W&M |
Anonymous
This is quite true. We toured Va Tech. Yum! |
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| New poster on this thread. You post on every UVA thread ALL THE TIME and spew the same thing about UVA. No one is saying that HS counselors don't know who's in the top 10%. PP is saying that when UVA says that 90 whatever % of their students were in the top 10% of their HS class, they're not including schools that DON'T RANK, which are many many schools, if not most schools in nova. Whether a HS counselor knows who is in the 10% of their class is irrelevant. Why do you keep bringing that up? The point is, the 90 whatever % of top 10% students statistics only includes kids from schools that don't rank. If you included the ranks of all UVA's students, the percentage of UVA students in top 10% of their HS would be a lot lower. You know what? I have nothing against UVA. My dc is a junior and is seriously considering it, in fact. But you UVA parents are just crazy. Or maybe it's just 1 or a few parents that are on DCUM all the time literally writing the same thing over and over again. I swear if I did a search of DCUM, I'd find at least 10 times the same person has spewed the same thing over and over about Dean what's her face saying 90 whatever is at the top 10% and oh yeah, the schev report statistics. I'm convinced you have it written somewhere and you just copy & paste it over and over again. You either don't work and sit on DCUM all day long writing about UVA or maybe you work for UVA, in which case they need to just fire you because you are not making UVA look good. |
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You really need to have apples to apples comparisons for all this stuff or it will get misleading quickly. The UVA report cited above including all undergraduate (all classes) + graduates + exchange students + scholars + faculty to get to 133 countries. In that total, it includes US Permanent Residents. That is how it gets to 7.9% of total. When you see numbers for college entering class, it is usually for an individual entering undergraduate class excluding permanent residents and only counts non-resident aliens. The SCHEV data shows non-residents this the enrollment section for entering classes. For the class entering in Fall 2017, UVA had 160 Foreign/International students out of 3,788. That is 4.2% of the total class. William and Mary had 99 Foreign/International students in the same class out of 1,531. That is 6.5% of the total class. The The schools that tend to be most diverse from the standpoint of having foreign undergraduates tend to be private. State schools, like UVA and W&M have in-state enrollment targets (about 2/3rds), so the international students are usually competing against OOS applicants for spots. Schools like USC and NYU have a lot. Harvard tends to have 10-11% in its entering class as a point of comparison. |
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We've done all of them fairly recently. JMU has a new dining hall coming online and may give VT a challenge, and W&M has improved a lot and is pretty similar to UVA now. Duke now has an expensive foodie palace. |
Anonymous
This is correct. I believe the history is that most schools used to rank. Good private schools did not or stopped because it placed their graduates (who presumably could be in the bottom 25% but still competitive with the top 10% at a less academic school) at a disadvantage. The better publics then followed suit and that has spread to most public high schools. Top colleges may have as little as 30% or so with a class rank. The schools that are most likely to rank tend to be the least strong districts. So when you see the numbers cited, they are only for the students where a class rank is provided. If universities were allowed to make their own assessment of who is 10%, I can only imagine that it would be a race to 100% given the nature of things. They already find ways to manage all the other stats (e.g. yield protection, making it easy to apply so they can reject). On a related note, there is a skyrocketing number of valedictorians and salutatorians because they count ties or count any students over a certain GPA as a valedictorian. This has been going on for quite a while. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/education/27valedictorians.html There is also rampant GPA inflation at the high school level. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/06/10/heres-how-my-graduating-class-ended-up-with-72-valedictorians/?utm_term=.7126000e2c85 |
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To put in context, in the U.S., 56% of university undergraduates are female. W&M 2017 entering class was 58% female, UVA was 56% female, and JMU 59% female, VCU was 62% female, and MWU was 65% female. GMU is closest to 50/50 at 51% female. Virginia Tech is the outlier at 43% female. Technically-oriented schools tend to have a higher percentage of men. Top privates tend to be close to 50/50. The reality is girls do better in high school than boys. And it is actually across all subjects and also most countries. |
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Of course, the respective alumni groups would probably rather you use Mercedes and BMW as examples. . . |