Too early to start thinking W&M/UVA?

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Anonymous wrote:Hiring of short will reduce the competitiveness of uva, especially out of state. Charlottesville was not self-inflicted. This decision was uva’s.

Aside from the fact that your post is extremely difficult to understand, do you really think the average person knows who Short is?

What does "Charlottesville was not self-inflicted." mean?

I don't know what they are trying to say and I'm a UVA parent. UVA had zero to do with the Charlottesville riot and has done much since to do everything possible to make sure it doesn't happen again. It had another record year of applications, of 37,188 applicants, 11,739 were from minorities. I don't know who Short is either, but the new President is in place and doing quite well. https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/early-decision-early-action/university-virginia-class-2022-statistics/.

Well, UVA did graduate the top alt right organizers . . .

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hiring of short will reduce the competitiveness of uva, especially out of state. Charlottesville was not self-inflicted. This decision was uva’s.

Aside from the fact that your post is extremely difficult to understand, do you really think the average person knows who Short is?

What does "Charlottesville was not self-inflicted." mean?

I don't know what they are trying to say and I'm a UVA parent. UVA had zero to do with the Charlottesville riot and has done much since to do everything possible to make sure it doesn't happen again. It had another record year of applications, of 37,188 applicants, 11,739 were from minorities. I don't know who Short is either, but the new President is in place and doing quite well. https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/early-decision-early-action/university-virginia-class-2022-statistics/.

Well, UVA did graduate the top alt right organizers . . .

And hires Only the Best People (TM). http://diverseeducation.com/article/120569/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hiring of short will reduce the competitiveness of uva, especially out of state. Charlottesville was not self-inflicted. This decision was uva’s.

Aside from the fact that your post is extremely difficult to understand, do you really think the average person knows who Short is?

What does "Charlottesville was not self-inflicted." mean?

I don't know what they are trying to say and I'm a UVA parent. UVA had zero to do with the Charlottesville riot and has done much since to do everything possible to make sure it doesn't happen again. It had another record year of applications, of 37,188 applicants, 11,739 were from minorities. I don't know who Short is either, but the new President is in place and doing quite well. https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/early-decision-early-action/university-virginia-class-2022-statistics/.

Well, UVA did graduate the top alt right organizers . . .

Who went on to get advanced degrees at other institutions which you conveniently forget.

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Anonymous wrote:Hiring of short will reduce the competitiveness of uva, especially out of state. Charlottesville was not self-inflicted. This decision was uva’s.

Aside from the fact that your post is extremely difficult to understand, do you really think the average person knows who Short is?

What does "Charlottesville was not self-inflicted." mean?

I don't know what they are trying to say and I'm a UVA parent. UVA had zero to do with the Charlottesville riot and has done much since to do everything possible to make sure it doesn't happen again. It had another record year of applications, of 37,188 applicants, 11,739 were from minorities. I don't know who Short is either, but the new President is in place and doing quite well. https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/early-decision-early-action/university-virginia-class-2022-statistics/.

Well, UVA did graduate the top alt right organizers . . .

And hires Only the Best People (TM). http://diverseeducation.com/article/120569/

Oh that's hilarious. "A few dozen faculty are concerned . . . ". Trust me, this is a non-issue on campus. Do you have any idea how many faculty and staff UVA employs? "Not including the College at Wise, the University employs nearly 30,000 people, including approximately 16,000 faculty and staff and approximately 12,000 Health System". And FYI, the Miller Institute is a political institute that studies . . . politics. And how can you have fair discussion and debate without at least ONE person knowledgeable about the Trump administration?https://millercenter.org/. Seriously, this is fake news in the extreme. And very prejudicial.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hiring of short will reduce the competitiveness of uva, especially out of state. Charlottesville was not self-inflicted. This decision was uva’s.

Aside from the fact that your post is extremely difficult to understand, do you really think the average person knows who Short is?

What does "Charlottesville was not self-inflicted." mean?

I don't know what they are trying to say and I'm a UVA parent. UVA had zero to do with the Charlottesville riot and has done much since to do everything possible to make sure it doesn't happen again. It had another record year of applications, of 37,188 applicants, 11,739 were from minorities. I don't know who Short is either, but the new President is in place and doing quite well. https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/early-decision-early-action/university-virginia-class-2022-statistics/.

Well, UVA did graduate the top alt right organizers . . .

Who went on to get advanced degrees at other institutions which you conveniently forget.

I don't think Kessler has any degree other than UVA BA? Richard Spencer also has a MA from Chicago.

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Anonymous wrote:How on earth do you get a 4.48W as a freshperson? I thought the froshpeople were not allowed to take AP classes only H Eng 9, Pre-AP World, Alg 2/Trig, H Research Earth Science etc.

Froshpeople? How outdated ARE you

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hiring of short will reduce the competitiveness of uva, especially out of state. Charlottesville was not self-inflicted. This decision was uva’s.

Aside from the fact that your post is extremely difficult to understand, do you really think the average person knows who Short is?

What does "Charlottesville was not self-inflicted." mean?

I don't know what they are trying to say and I'm a UVA parent. UVA had zero to do with the Charlottesville riot and has done much since to do everything possible to make sure it doesn't happen again. It had another record year of applications, of 37,188 applicants, 11,739 were from minorities. I don't know who Short is either, but the new President is in place and doing quite well. https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/early-decision-early-action/university-virginia-class-2022-statistics/.

Well, UVA did graduate the top alt right organizers . . .

Who went on to get advanced degrees at other institutions which you conveniently forget.

I don't think Kessler has any degree other than UVA BA? Richard Spencer also has a MA from Chicago.

And the Unibomber went to Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hiring of short will reduce the competitiveness of uva, especially out of state. Charlottesville was not self-inflicted. This decision was uva’s.

Aside from the fact that your post is extremely difficult to understand, do you really think the average person knows who Short is?

What does "Charlottesville was not self-inflicted." mean?

I don't know what they are trying to say and I'm a UVA parent. UVA had zero to do with the Charlottesville riot and has done much since to do everything possible to make sure it doesn't happen again. It had another record year of applications, of 37,188 applicants, 11,739 were from minorities. I don't know who Short is either, but the new President is in place and doing quite well. https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/early-decision-early-action/university-virginia-class-2022-statistics/.

Well, UVA did graduate the top alt right organizers . . .

Who went on to get advanced degrees at other institutions which you conveniently forget.

I don't think Kessler has any degree other than UVA BA? Richard Spencer also has a MA from Chicago.

And the Unibomber went to Harvard.

It is Unabomber. And by the earlier "spread the guilt" criteria, you have so say he earned a PHD at Michigan.

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OP conventional wisdom on dcum would suggest you start working towards UVA and W and M before you have kids. You have to first decide to move to VA rather than MD and then begin your long term plan to get DC into one of these two schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hiring of short will reduce the competitiveness of uva, especially out of state. Charlottesville was not self-inflicted. This decision was uva’s.

Aside from the fact that your post is extremely difficult to understand, do you really think the average person knows who Short is?

What does "Charlottesville was not self-inflicted." mean?

I don't know what they are trying to say and I'm a UVA parent. UVA had zero to do with the Charlottesville riot and has done much since to do everything possible to make sure it doesn't happen again. It had another record year of applications, of 37,188 applicants, 11,739 were from minorities. I don't know who Short is either, but the new President is in place and doing quite well. https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/early-decision-early-action/university-virginia-class-2022-statistics/.

Well, UVA did graduate the top alt right organizers . . .

Who went on to get advanced degrees at other institutions which you conveniently forget.

I don't think Kessler has any degree other than UVA BA? Richard Spencer also has a MA from Chicago.

And the Unibomber went to Harvard.

It is Unabomber. And by the earlier "spread the guilt" criteria, you have so say he earned a PHD at Michigan.

And Donald Trump went to Penn oh noes!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:My thought is this...UVA looks at class rank as main factor, let's say top 10%, and they know how to find this out...school profile, honor society inductees, etc., and W&M is a bit more holistic...GPA +SAT/ACT + gender (always favoring males a bit to balance the ratio) and the application's softer attributes like essay, extracurricular activities, etc. Two completely different schools for two completely different type students...aren't we Virginians lucky to have such choices.

I think Dean J is actually saying in the blog that Rank/GPA is not the be all and end all. They are looking at the transcript and derive their own rating from there.

Both UVA and W&M claim to be holistic. To me this is really saying they are giving more or a reading to more of the application (class and grading difficulty, essays, ECs). The implication is that other schools are just going from stats. With modern application levels (UCLA got a staggering 113K applications for fall 2018), I think what really happens is they use stats to separate out clear rejects, and then do more review with the remaining ones.

The cynic in me says all stats are open at least a bit to manipulation. It may be less evident in Virginia schools than others, but I'm sure it goes on. A case in point is Northeastern, which has skyrocketed in USNews rankings and now has a significantly lower admit than either UVA or W&M. They systematically target all of the USNews stats. Specific examples are that Northeastern only has to count standardized test scores for US applicants that are entering in Fall for USNews criteria. So Northeastern puts low stat kids on Spring academic admission (they start in the co-op program) and they have a high number of foreign students. They lower acceptance rates by actively pushing applications through marketing campaigns.

No it doesn't

+ 1. First of all, UVA's selectivity has dropped to 25.6% and Northeastern is at 29-30%. Second, even if true, you cannot compare the selectivity stats of a state public university to a private university for reasons that I think are obvious. State universities have a different mission. In states with strong in-state public school systems, the public high school counselors assist in helping students self-select to the most appropriate public universities and colleges. Hence, the required stats for UVA are very high, yet it appears "not as selective" as an Ivy. Third, Northeastern has been actively pushing all the buttons to rise on the rankings charts - this means it does everything possible to attract applications in order to turn them down thereby lowering its selectivity figure. Public universities do not do this - that is not their mission. Even so, Northeastern is still not as selective as UVA and is way below UVA on all the rankings charts.

Eh...UVA in-state acceptance is something like 37%. Not particularly selective.

Ah, the UMD person is back. Learn about how state public high schools route only the top ten percent of the class to UVA. The in-state applicant pool is fiercely competitive. The entering class of 2017 enrolled with a median 4.44 for top 25%, 4.29 for median 50% and even the bottom quartile of the class has a median of 4.14. http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. 94.6% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their high school class, no matter what state or country they hail from. Acceptance for the class of 2022 dropped to 25.6%. You don't apply to W&M or UVA if you aren't in the top ten percent of your class. You cannot compare the selectivity figures of in-state schools, which have a different mission, to private schools, which are hung up on massaging the figures to run up the USN&WR rankings, like Northeastern.

Actually, i went to an ivy so I really couldn't care less about UVA and I have no interest in learning about public universities. It's your blind boosterism and selective citation of statistics that is frankly annoying and makes you look a bit wanting as you desperately try to convince the world that UVA is a stellar uni.

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Meh. Our DD is setting her sights on Michigan. She has noticed it has much more of a “brand” and worldwide renown.
Oh dear, I confess that I do use the gender neutral plural “froshperson” in order to prevent offending anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:My thought is this...UVA looks at class rank as main factor, let's say top 10%, and they know how to find this out...school profile, honor society inductees, etc., and W&M is a bit more holistic...GPA +SAT/ACT + gender (always favoring males a bit to balance the ratio) and the application's softer attributes like essay, extracurricular activities, etc. Two completely different schools for two completely different type students...aren't we Virginians lucky to have such choices.

I think Dean J is actually saying in the blog that Rank/GPA is not the be all and end all. They are looking at the transcript and derive their own rating from there.

Both UVA and W&M claim to be holistic. To me this is really saying they are giving more or a reading to more of the application (class and grading difficulty, essays, ECs). The implication is that other schools are just going from stats. With modern application levels (UCLA got a staggering 113K applications for fall 2018), I think what really happens is they use stats to separate out clear rejects, and then do more review with the remaining ones.

The cynic in me says all stats are open at least a bit to manipulation. It may be less evident in Virginia schools than others, but I'm sure it goes on. A case in point is Northeastern, which has skyrocketed in USNews rankings and now has a significantly lower admit than either UVA or W&M. They systematically target all of the USNews stats. Specific examples are that Northeastern only has to count standardized test scores for US applicants that are entering in Fall for USNews criteria. So Northeastern puts low stat kids on Spring academic admission (they start in the co-op program) and they have a high number of foreign students. They lower acceptance rates by actively pushing applications through marketing campaigns.

No it doesn't

+ 1. First of all, UVA's selectivity has dropped to 25.6% and Northeastern is at 29-30%. Second, even if true, you cannot compare the selectivity stats of a state public university to a private university for reasons that I think are obvious. State universities have a different mission. In states with strong in-state public school systems, the public high school counselors assist in helping students self-select to the most appropriate public universities and colleges. Hence, the required stats for UVA are very high, yet it appears "not as selective" as an Ivy. Third, Northeastern has been actively pushing all the buttons to rise on the rankings charts - this means it does everything possible to attract applications in order to turn them down thereby lowering its selectivity figure. Public universities do not do this - that is not their mission. Even so, Northeastern is still not as selective as UVA and is way below UVA on all the rankings charts.

Eh...UVA in-state acceptance is something like 37%. Not particularly selective.

Ah, the UMD person is back. Learn about how state public high schools route only the top ten percent of the class to UVA. The in-state applicant pool is fiercely competitive. The entering class of 2017 enrolled with a median 4.44 for top 25%, 4.29 for median 50% and even the bottom quartile of the class has a median of 4.14. http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. 94.6% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their high school class, no matter what state or country they hail from. Acceptance for the class of 2022 dropped to 25.6%. You don't apply to W&M or UVA if you aren't in the top ten percent of your class. You cannot compare the selectivity figures of in-state schools, which have a different mission, to private schools, which are hung up on massaging the figures to run up the USN&WR rankings, like Northeastern.

Actually, i went to an ivy so I really couldn't care less about UVA and I have no interest in learning about public universities. It's your blind boosterism and selective citation of statistics that is frankly annoying and makes you look a bit wanting as you desperately try to convince the world that UVA is a stellar uni.

LOL. You're on a UVA/William & Mary thread but you don't care about UVA . . . and you say you went to an Ivy but can't write. Sure.

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Anonymous wrote:My thought is this...UVA looks at class rank as main factor, let's say top 10%, and they know how to find this out...school profile, honor society inductees, etc., and W&M is a bit more holistic...GPA +SAT/ACT + gender (always favoring males a bit to balance the ratio) and the application's softer attributes like essay, extracurricular activities, etc. Two completely different schools for two completely different type students...aren't we Virginians lucky to have such choices.

I think Dean J is actually saying in the blog that Rank/GPA is not the be all and end all. They are looking at the transcript and derive their own rating from there.

Both UVA and W&M claim to be holistic. To me this is really saying they are giving more or a reading to more of the application (class and grading difficulty, essays, ECs). The implication is that other schools are just going from stats. With modern application levels (UCLA got a staggering 113K applications for fall 2018), I think what really happens is they use stats to separate out clear rejects, and then do more review with the remaining ones.

The cynic in me says all stats are open at least a bit to manipulation. It may be less evident in Virginia schools than others, but I'm sure it goes on. A case in point is Northeastern, which has skyrocketed in USNews rankings and now has a significantly lower admit than either UVA or W&M. They systematically target all of the USNews stats. Specific examples are that Northeastern only has to count standardized test scores for US applicants that are entering in Fall for USNews criteria. So Northeastern puts low stat kids on Spring academic admission (they start in the co-op program) and they have a high number of foreign students. They lower acceptance rates by actively pushing applications through marketing campaigns.

No it doesn't

+ 1. First of all, UVA's selectivity has dropped to 25.6% and Northeastern is at 29-30%. Second, even if true, you cannot compare the selectivity stats of a state public university to a private university for reasons that I think are obvious. State universities have a different mission. In states with strong in-state public school systems, the public high school counselors assist in helping students self-select to the most appropriate public universities and colleges. Hence, the required stats for UVA are very high, yet it appears "not as selective" as an Ivy. Third, Northeastern has been actively pushing all the buttons to rise on the rankings charts - this means it does everything possible to attract applications in order to turn them down thereby lowering its selectivity figure. Public universities do not do this - that is not their mission. Even so, Northeastern is still not as selective as UVA and is way below UVA on all the rankings charts.

Eh...UVA in-state acceptance is something like 37%. Not particularly selective.

Ah, the UMD person is back. Learn about how state public high schools route only the top ten percent of the class to UVA. The in-state applicant pool is fiercely competitive. The entering class of 2017 enrolled with a median 4.44 for top 25%, 4.29 for median 50% and even the bottom quartile of the class has a median of 4.14. http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. 94.6% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their high school class, no matter what state or country they hail from. Acceptance for the class of 2022 dropped to 25.6%. You don't apply to W&M or UVA if you aren't in the top ten percent of your class. You cannot compare the selectivity figures of in-state schools, which have a different mission, to private schools, which are hung up on massaging the figures to run up the USN&WR rankings, like Northeastern.

Actually, i went to an ivy so I really couldn't care less about UVA and I have no interest in learning about public universities. It's your blind boosterism and selective citation of statistics that is frankly annoying and makes you look a bit wanting as you desperately try to convince the world that UVA is a stellar uni.

LOL. You're on a UVA/William & Mary thread but you don't care about UVA . . . and you say you went to an Ivy but can't write. Sure.

Both DC recently went through the college process so I have a continued interest in the forum but go on living in your strange little world.

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Anonymous wrote:Hiring of short will reduce the competitiveness of uva, especially out of state. Charlottesville was not self-inflicted. This decision was uva’s.

Aside from the fact that your post is extremely difficult to understand, do you really think the average person knows who Short is?

What does "Charlottesville was not self-inflicted." mean?

I don't know what they are trying to say and I'm a UVA parent. UVA had zero to do with the Charlottesville riot and has done much since to do everything possible to make sure it doesn't happen again. It had another record year of applications, of 37,188 applicants, 11,739 were from minorities. I don't know who Short is either, but the new President is in place and doing quite well. https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/early-decision-early-action/university-virginia-class-2022-statistics/.

Well, UVA did graduate the top alt right organizers . . .

Who went on to get advanced degrees at other institutions which you conveniently forget.

I don't think Kessler has any degree other than UVA BA? Richard Spencer also has a MA from Chicago.

And the Unibomber went to Harvard.

It is Unabomber. And by the earlier "spread the guilt" criteria, you have so say he earned a PHD at Michigan.

And Donald Trump went to Penn oh noes!!!!

True, but original point was "UVA had zero to do with Charlottesville riot". Hence the comment about the organizers.