Too early to start thinking W&M/UVA?

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Anonymous wrote:Greeks are a higher percentage at W&M than they are UVA, FWIW...


I think there is relatively new fraternity housing there.
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Anonymous wrote:So, my DD had a 4.0 (U)/4.3 (W) after her freshman year. That is the max she could get without gaming the system.

Sophomore year, she ran into some roadblocks. I am really proud of the way she felt with them -- she had to work through some issues. Her GPA for the sophomore year is 3.7U/4.0W. UVA may or may not be in play, but frankly, I do not think the social scene at UVA is heathy, with the frat culture. W & M, maybe. But with her diagnosis, (during the year: HFA), she would be better served at a smaller school. (W & M would probably be ok).

Find the school that is right for your daughter. UVA/W & M are excellent schools, but might not be right for her. (My DD is fascinated by RPI).


Lol I’m sure you thought UVA was fine when DD had a 4.3. Now all the sudden it’s too fratty.



PP here. Always was too fratty for my taste. I am fine with W & M. It will largely come down do how she does in the Junior year. 4 AP's, 1 H, and 2 regular classes. If she does well, then she will have one set of choices. If she does not well, then a different set of choices. But, at this point, after what happened this year, I just want her to be ok physically and emotionally.


A) you are wrong. There are 700 clubs. You can go, as my DC did, for all four years without ever stepping in a frat
B) W&M and many other (W&L with 86% of campus participating!) are far more Greek than UVA.
C) This is your DD's decision, not yours. Please don't let your ignorance stand in the way of a potentially great experience at UVA.

But, then, your mind is already made up, isn't it? Why? You know the Rolling Stone article was false. I've taught at UVA - the Greek system is not an issue on campus at all the way it is at, say, University of Southern California. Just go and tour with an open mind.

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Anonymous wrote:Greeks are a higher percentage at W&M than they are UVA, FWIW...


I think there is relatively new fraternity housing there.


W&M does have a lot of people in the Greek system, but it's not a huge factor in campus life. I'm not super familiar with the new fraternity housing (which looks really nice from the outside), but the sorority houses each fit ~20 women out of a 100 person sorority. It's usually the sorority exec board and a handful of seniors that live in a sorority house. Most of the women in sororities are spread out over all the campus housing and apartments, so there is not the same feeling of exclusivity that develops at some schools with the large, off-campus greek houses.

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Believe it or not (and in this area, I realize not) not every kid’s first choice is UVA. I have a TJ kid who has the stats to get in. Not even applying. Wants a nerdier cohort, and a much smaller school, so WM is the in state first choice. Male (which really does matter at WM), middle of the class, 1540 SATs. Should be in easily. Second choice is Followed by VT with some grumbling, because they have a spec8alized program he is interested in. But also looking at SLACs with strong physical science programs.

Point is, different kids want different things out of college. But, I would not start counting UVA/WM chickens freshman year— especially if you do not have a kid at TJ, where most of the UVA applicants, and nearly all WM applicants will get in. My DC2 is at a strong base school. Strong freshman year. No way I would make college predictions before at least another year of grades are on the books and we have SAT scores.
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Anonymous wrote:How on earth do you get a 4.48W as a freshperson? I thought the froshpeople were not allowed to take AP classes only H Eng 9, Pre-AP World, Alg 2/Trig, H Research Earth Science etc.


FreshMAN. Not “freshperson.”
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Anonymous wrote:So, my DD had a 4.0 (U)/4.3 (W) after her freshman year. That is the max she could get without gaming the system.

Sophomore year, she ran into some roadblocks. I am really proud of the way she felt with them -- she had to work through some issues. Her GPA for the sophomore year is 3.7U/4.0W. UVA may or may not be in play, but frankly, I do not think the social scene at UVA is heathy, with the frat culture. W & M, maybe. But with her diagnosis, (during the year: HFA), she would be better served at a smaller school. (W & M would probably be ok).

Find the school that is right for your daughter. UVA/W & M are excellent schools, but might not be right for her. (My DD is fascinated by RPI).


Lol I’m sure you thought UVA was fine when DD had a 4.3. Now all the sudden it’s too fratty.


UVA grad here. It is too fratty. I will be actively discouraging my child from attending.


My kid graduated this year from high school with 4.0/4.5 GPA and was admitted to UVA with full academic scholarship. She thought the same thing about UVA as a first poster. It is fratty and not very challenging in her field. I am glad she chose a different school.
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Anonymous wrote:So, my DD had a 4.0 (U)/4.3 (W) after her freshman year. That is the max she could get without gaming the system.

Sophomore year, she ran into some roadblocks. I am really proud of the way she felt with them -- she had to work through some issues. Her GPA for the sophomore year is 3.7U/4.0W. UVA may or may not be in play, but frankly, I do not think the social scene at UVA is heathy, with the frat culture. W & M, maybe. But with her diagnosis, (during the year: HFA), she would be better served at a smaller school. (W & M would probably be ok).

Find the school that is right for your daughter. UVA/W & M are excellent schools, but might not be right for her. (My DD is fascinated by RPI).


Lol I’m sure you thought UVA was fine when DD had a 4.3. Now all the sudden it’s too fratty.


UVA grad here. It is too fratty. I will be actively discouraging my child from attending.


My kid graduated this year from high school with 4.0/4.5 GPA and was admitted to UVA with full academic scholarship. She thought the same thing about UVA as a first poster. It is fratty and not very challenging in her field. I am glad she chose a different school.


The only full academic scholarship to UVA is the Jefferson Scholarship. It's a long, extremely competitive process to be chosen. No one goes through that without knowing already they want to go to UVA.

You're full of crap.
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Anonymous wrote:So, my DD had a 4.0 (U)/4.3 (W) after her freshman year. That is the max she could get without gaming the system.

Sophomore year, she ran into some roadblocks. I am really proud of the way she felt with them -- she had to work through some issues. Her GPA for the sophomore year is 3.7U/4.0W. UVA may or may not be in play, but frankly, I do not think the social scene at UVA is heathy, with the frat culture. W & M, maybe. But with her diagnosis, (during the year: HFA), she would be better served at a smaller school. (W & M would probably be ok).

Find the school that is right for your daughter. UVA/W & M are excellent schools, but might not be right for her. (My DD is fascinated by RPI).


Lol I’m sure you thought UVA was fine when DD had a 4.3. Now all the sudden it’s too fratty.


UVA grad here. It is too fratty. I will be actively discouraging my child from attending.


+1.
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Anonymous wrote:So, my DD had a 4.0 (U)/4.3 (W) after her freshman year. That is the max she could get without gaming the system.

Sophomore year, she ran into some roadblocks. I am really proud of the way she felt with them -- she had to work through some issues. Her GPA for the sophomore year is 3.7U/4.0W. UVA may or may not be in play, but frankly, I do not think the social scene at UVA is heathy, with the frat culture. W & M, maybe. But with her diagnosis, (during the year: HFA), she would be better served at a smaller school. (W & M would probably be ok).

Find the school that is right for your daughter. UVA/W & M are excellent schools, but might not be right for her. (My DD is fascinated by RPI).


Lol I’m sure you thought UVA was fine when DD had a 4.3. Now all the sudden it’s too fratty.


UVA grad here. It is too fratty. I will be actively discouraging my child from attending.


My kid graduated this year from high school with 4.0/4.5 GPA and was admitted to UVA with full academic scholarship. She thought the same thing about UVA as a first poster. It is fratty and not very challenging in her field. I am glad she chose a different school.


The only full academic scholarship to UVA is the Jefferson Scholarship. It's a long, extremely competitive process to be chosen. No one goes through that without knowing already they want to go to UVA.

You're full of crap.


Nope, you are incorrect and your language is totally inappropriate by the way. We attended UVA on admitted students day and there were a special event for kids who received academic scholarships. Most of them were not Jefferson Scholarship recipients.

By the way, my kid didn't apply for this scholarship. She received Rodman Scholarship first (but it is like Ecole, comes with no money). Then, in mid April, we received email from UVA with the scholarship offer. There were no special application involved. You are so uninformed.
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Anonymous wrote:So, my DD had a 4.0 (U)/4.3 (W) after her freshman year. That is the max she could get without gaming the system.

Sophomore year, she ran into some roadblocks. I am really proud of the way she felt with them -- she had to work through some issues. Her GPA for the sophomore year is 3.7U/4.0W. UVA may or may not be in play, but frankly, I do not think the social scene at UVA is heathy, with the frat culture. W & M, maybe. But with her diagnosis, (during the year: HFA), she would be better served at a smaller school. (W & M would probably be ok).

Find the school that is right for your daughter. UVA/W & M are excellent schools, but might not be right for her. (My DD is fascinated by RPI).


Lol I’m sure you thought UVA was fine when DD had a 4.3. Now all the sudden it’s too fratty.


UVA grad here. It is too fratty. I will be actively discouraging my child from attending.


My kid graduated this year from high school with 4.0/4.5 GPA and was admitted to UVA with full academic scholarship. She thought the same thing about UVA as a first poster. It is fratty and not very challenging in her field. I am glad she chose a different school.


The only full academic scholarship to UVA is the Jefferson Scholarship. It's a long, extremely competitive process to be chosen. No one goes through that without knowing already they want to go to UVA.

You're full of crap.


Nope, you are incorrect and your language is totally inappropriate by the way. We attended UVA on admitted students day and there were a special event for kids who received academic scholarships. Most of them were not Jefferson Scholarship recipients.

By the way, my kid didn't apply for this scholarship. She received Rodman Scholarship first (but it is like Ecole, comes with no money). Then, in mid April, we received email from UVA with the scholarship offer. There were no special application involved. You are so uninformed.



NP. I, too, think you are wrong. Perhaps you are confusing need-based financial aid with merit. There are very few merit scholarships at UVA. Rodman means nothing other than pre-registration right and sometimes $1,000. Echols gives you nothing. The Jefferson Scholar program does cover everything but it is extremely competitive plus you have to be the single student nominated from your high school just in order to start the competition. Here's an article about the lack of merit scholarships at UVA. You have to remember it is a state school and a great bargain at $23K (when we started and locked in) a year. Expanding UVa's merit-aid offerings would be a key part of this effort. Currently, the university itself offers “very few merit-based scholarships.” ... Alternatively, UVa could offer smaller scholarships – of $2,500 to $5,000 – to the hundreds of students who are admitted each year into the university's honors program.Feb 6, 2014
UVa Feels Pressure to Become More Active in Merit Aid Arms Race
https://www.newamerica.org/.../uva-feels-pressure-become-active-merit-aid-arms-race/
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^^ UVA reserves its funds for low income, first generation, Questbridge and international students who fit the financial need profile.
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Anonymous wrote:So, my DD had a 4.0 (U)/4.3 (W) after her freshman year. That is the max she could get without gaming the system.

Sophomore year, she ran into some roadblocks. I am really proud of the way she felt with them -- she had to work through some issues. Her GPA for the sophomore year is 3.7U/4.0W. UVA may or may not be in play, but frankly, I do not think the social scene at UVA is heathy, with the frat culture. W & M, maybe. But with her diagnosis, (during the year: HFA), she would be better served at a smaller school. (W & M would probably be ok).

Find the school that is right for your daughter. UVA/W & M are excellent schools, but might not be right for her. (My DD is fascinated by RPI).


Lol I’m sure you thought UVA was fine when DD had a 4.3. Now all the sudden it’s too fratty.


UVA grad here. It is too fratty. I will be actively discouraging my child from attending.


My kid graduated this year from high school with 4.0/4.5 GPA and was admitted to UVA with full academic scholarship. She thought the same thing about UVA as a first poster. It is fratty and not very challenging in her field. I am glad she chose a different school.


The only full academic scholarship to UVA is the Jefferson Scholarship. It's a long, extremely competitive process to be chosen. No one goes through that without knowing already they want to go to UVA.

You're full of crap.


Nope, you are incorrect and your language is totally inappropriate by the way. We attended UVA on admitted students day and there were a special event for kids who received academic scholarships. Most of them were not Jefferson Scholarship recipients.

By the way, my kid didn't apply for this scholarship. She received Rodman Scholarship first (but it is like Ecole, comes with no money). Then, in mid April, we received email from UVA with the scholarship offer. There were no special application involved. You are so uninformed.



NP. I, too, think you are wrong. Perhaps you are confusing need-based financial aid with merit. There are very few merit scholarships at UVA. Rodman means nothing other than pre-registration right and sometimes $1,000. Echols gives you nothing. The Jefferson Scholar program does cover everything but it is extremely competitive plus you have to be the single student nominated from your high school just in order to start the competition. Here's an article about the lack of merit scholarships at UVA. You have to remember it is a state school and a great bargain at $23K (when we started and locked in) a year. Expanding UVa's merit-aid offerings would be a key part of this effort. Currently, the university itself offers “very few merit-based scholarships.” ... Alternatively, UVa could offer smaller scholarships – of $2,500 to $5,000 – to the hundreds of students who are admitted each year into the university's honors program.Feb 6, 2014
UVa Feels Pressure to Become More Active in Merit Aid Arms Race
https://www.newamerica.org/.../uva-feels-pressure-become-active-merit-aid-arms-race/


Nope, I am not wrong as I still have an email from UVA. It is not a financial aid, because we didn't qualify for any from UVA or any other schools. Financial aid information was sent at the same time when UVA sent an acceptance letter and was posted on student portal.

In fact, some of the other recipients who was sitting with us at the table were children of Georgetown professor, financial analyst from Arlington, etc. -- not people who would be eligible for financial aid. During the speech, UVA's representative told us that they are increasing the number of academic achievement aid every year.

They may not advertise it, but nevertheless, they give it to attract top students.

Similarly, we received no financial aid from any of the Ivies where she was admitted. What they did, they just reduce the cost of attendance for us. For example, UPenn reduced the cost from $75k per year to $35k per year and called it grant.
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1. The only full academic scholarship at UVA is the Jefferson.

2. All of the other full scholarships take need into account.

3. Foreign citizens aren't eligible for government money. If an international student get a scholarship, it's most likely through Jefferson or they hold US citizenship.

Since you can't name the scholarship, I feel you are misleading yourself on the nature of the funding. You'd think that someone whose kid was part of something so big would remember what it was called. They ALL have names.
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Anonymous wrote:1. The only full academic scholarship at UVA is the Jefferson.

2. All of the other full scholarships take need into account.

3. Foreign citizens aren't eligible for government money. If an international student get a scholarship, it's most likely through Jefferson or they hold US citizenship.

Since you can't name the scholarship, I feel you are misleading yourself on the nature of the funding. You'd think that someone whose kid was part of something so big would remember what it was called. They ALL have names.


I never said I don't remember the name. And I don't know what is the nature of the funding, I just know it is not a financial aid. Financial aid decision was maid at the time of the admission and they told us we are not eligible for any financial aid. These scholarship came out much later.

Here is the top line of the email from UVA:

"Congratulations on your offer of admission to the University of Virginia! You have been selected as one of this year’s recipients of the University Achievement Award (UAA) Scholarship. "

And here is the text from the actual letter that was attached:

"Congratulations once again on your offer of admission to the University of Virginia. You have been
selected as one of this year’s recipients of the University Achievement Award (UAA) Scholarship. This
scholarship covers the cost of tuition and fees ".

The above would not cover the cost of living.

Why are you not believing? Why would I make this up? My kid chose not to go to UVA, so we are not using that scholarship anyway.
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Anonymous wrote:1. The only full academic scholarship at UVA is the Jefferson.

2. All of the other full scholarships take need into account.

3. Foreign citizens aren't eligible for government money. If an international student get a scholarship, it's most likely through Jefferson or they hold US citizenship.

Since you can't name the scholarship, I feel you are misleading yourself on the nature of the funding. You'd think that someone whose kid was part of something so big would remember what it was called. They ALL have names.


I never said I don't remember the name. And I don't know what is the nature of the funding, I just know it is not a financial aid. Financial aid decision was maid at the time of the admission and they told us we are not eligible for any financial aid. These scholarship came out much later.

Here is the top line of the email from UVA:

"Congratulations on your offer of admission to the University of Virginia! You have been selected as one of this year’s recipients of the University Achievement Award (UAA) Scholarship. "

And here is the text from the actual letter that was attached:

"Congratulations once again on your offer of admission to the University of Virginia. You have been
selected as one of this year’s recipients of the University Achievement Award (UAA) Scholarship. This
scholarship covers the cost of tuition and fees ".

The above would not cover the cost of living.

Why are you not believing? Why would I make this up? My kid chose not to go to UVA, so we are not using that scholarship anyway.


I looked this up. It is awarded to kids who have two of URM, first gen, overcoming adversity, single parent family, rural location. It is not a generally available scholarship.

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