FCPS's "reduced quality of public education due to the illegal situation"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP who noted that nice SF homes are being rented to illegals who burden neighborhood schools. Regardless of our politics, I think all reasonable people can agree that illegal immigration has been detrimental to our schools and neighborhoods. FARMS and ESOL students require a lot of resources, which limits the amount left for everyone else. We need a to wake up and crack down. How are we letting people overstay visas, waltz across the border, come here to deliver anchor babies?

How do you know they are "illegals"? FARM and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

Everyone knows. You are grasping at straws.

Stop making assumptions. FARMS and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the argument here was simply that overcrowding and increased ESOL requirements are straining FCPS schools and teachers, I'd be right there with you. But instead, posters here are making it an issue of ZOMG ILLEGAL! IMMIGRATION!! I lived in one of those high FARMS/ESOL school districts you're bashing, and I can tell you that [white, middle class] people started moving out of those SFHs 15+ years ago when money and gas were cheap and you could get your shiny new McMansion in Ashburn or Stafford for next to nothing. As a result, student populations declined in close-in neighborhoods like Annandale, FCPS closed the neighborhood schools and converted them to community/social services centers, and immigrant communities began moving in when the prices dropped in 2008. Now the student #s have rebounded, and with a demographic shift towards higher-needs students...and the resources simply aren't there. My siblings' elementary schools in "good" neighborhoods were overcrowded 10 years ago. That hasn't gotten any better since. FCPS is struggling from an overall failure to anticipate (and/or respond to) population demographics. Pinning the results of that on your fear of illegal immigrants is narrow-minded and spiteful.

+10000

Right on.

-10000

Try again. Both are true. 1. A large influx of illegal immigrants have brought massive demographic changes to FCPS and 2. FCPS cannot keep up.

Why is it so difficult for the Left to acknowledge these simple facts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP who noted that nice SF homes are being rented to illegals who burden neighborhood schools. Regardless of our politics, I think all reasonable people can agree that illegal immigration has been detrimental to our schools and neighborhoods. FARMS and ESOL students require a lot of resources, which limits the amount left for everyone else. We need a to wake up and crack down. How are we letting people overstay visas, waltz across the border, come here to deliver anchor babies?

How do you know they are "illegals"? FARM and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

Everyone knows. You are grasping at straws.

Stop making assumptions. FARMS and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

And yet...

We all know they are illegal.

Sigh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a huge issue and has gone out of control. Look at this article in Bethesda magazine. It's worth a read: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Magazine/November-December-2017/Hope-Lives-Here/ While this school is in MCPS, make no mistake- this is a reality in a good number of schools throughout the DMV.

So you hate poor people who live in trailers?

I thought it was a lovely story of how one community is supporting those in need. Those are some great teachers.

Who said that I hated poor people in trailers? Did you read it?
Of course principal and staff at the school are clearly amazing; but the fact is, teaching is only PART of their jobs these days. They're busy caring for these kids as if they are their own. If you don't see how that impacts education and our communities, then you are delusional. Send your kid to that school and let me know how much his education his impacted. Of course the fact that the school is over 75% farms and the fact that a good number of the students there are illegal immigrants impact public education and unfortunately the burden lays on just a few schools. YOu will never see this in the neighborhoods of McLean, Bethesda, Potomac, etc. Is that fair?

How do you know they are "illegal"?

You're right. It's just as likely that the non English speaking families living 15 people to an apartment been here for 5 generations. They don't speak a lick of English but you know, we can't prove that they are illegal, you and I, not even to have an Internet discussion.



Also

I dunno. Two families I know who are low-income and Spanish speakers are legal and live with extended family for a variety of reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP who noted that nice SF homes are being rented to illegals who burden neighborhood schools. Regardless of our politics, I think all reasonable people can agree that illegal immigration has been detrimental to our schools and neighborhoods. FARMS and ESOL students require a lot of resources, which limits the amount left for everyone else. We need a to wake up and crack down. How are we letting people overstay visas, waltz across the border, come here to deliver anchor babies?

How do you know they are "illegals"? FARM and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

Everyone knows. You are grasping at straws.

Stop making assumptions. FARMS and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

And yet...

We all know they are illegal.

Sigh.

No, we don't. BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the argument here was simply that overcrowding and increased ESOL requirements are straining FCPS schools and teachers, I'd be right there with you. But instead, posters here are making it an issue of ZOMG ILLEGAL! IMMIGRATION!! I lived in one of those high FARMS/ESOL school districts you're bashing, and I can tell you that [white, middle class] people started moving out of those SFHs 15+ years ago when money and gas were cheap and you could get your shiny new McMansion in Ashburn or Stafford for next to nothing. As a result, student populations declined in close-in neighborhoods like Annandale, FCPS closed the neighborhood schools and converted them to community/social services centers, and immigrant communities began moving in when the prices dropped in 2008. Now the student #s have rebounded, and with a demographic shift towards higher-needs students...and the resources simply aren't there. My siblings' elementary schools in "good" neighborhoods were overcrowded 10 years ago. That hasn't gotten any better since. FCPS is struggling from an overall failure to anticipate (and/or respond to) population demographics. Pinning the results of that on your fear of illegal immigrants is narrow-minded and spiteful.

+10000

Right on.

-10000

Try again. Both are true. 1. A large influx of illegal immigrants have brought massive demographic changes to FCPS and 2. FCPS cannot keep up.

Why is it so difficult for the Left to acknowledge these simple facts?

The special ones that Obama shipped in by the bus-load?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a huge issue and has gone out of control. Look at this article in Bethesda magazine. It's worth a read: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Magazine/November-December-2017/Hope-Lives-Here/ While this school is in MCPS, make no mistake- this is a reality in a good number of schools throughout the DMV.

So you hate poor people who live in trailers?

I thought it was a lovely story of how one community is supporting those in need. Those are some great teachers.

Who said that I hated poor people in trailers? Did you read it?
Of course principal and staff at the school are clearly amazing; but the fact is, teaching is only PART of their jobs these days. They're busy caring for these kids as if they are their own. If you don't see how that impacts education and our communities, then you are delusional. Send your kid to that school and let me know how much his education his impacted. Of course the fact that the school is over 75% farms and the fact that a good number of the students there are illegal immigrants impact public education and unfortunately the burden lays on just a few schools. YOu will never see this in the neighborhoods of McLean, Bethesda, Potomac, etc. Is that fair?

How do you know they are "illegal"?

You're right. It's just as likely that the non English speaking families living 15 people to an apartment been here for 5 generations. They don't speak a lick of English but you know, we can't prove that they are illegal, you and I, not even to have an Internet discussion.



Also

I dunno. Two families I know who are low-income and Spanish speakers are legal and live with extended family for a variety of reasons.

Ok, you got me. Parts of FFX looks like South America now - many who recently arrived and who don't speak a lick of English but it's clear they are all 100% legal. Also, I'm not sure why we are a sanctuary city at all, since everyone is legal...

You people crack me up. You are delusional. I do suspect you actually believe in the crap you put forth...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP who noted that nice SF homes are being rented to illegals who burden neighborhood schools. Regardless of our politics, I think all reasonable people can agree that illegal immigration has been detrimental to our schools and neighborhoods. FARMS and ESOL students require a lot of resources, which limits the amount left for everyone else. We need a to wake up and crack down. How are we letting people overstay visas, waltz across the border, come here to deliver anchor babies?

How do you know they are "illegals"? FARM and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

Everyone knows. You are grasping at straws.

Stop making assumptions. FARMS and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

And yet...

We all know they are illegal.

Sigh.

No, we don't. BS.

Come ON. People who aren't delusional and engaged in magical thinking know the obvious.

You just can't stand that your Liberal policies have contributed to the horrible decline in our local schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a huge issue and has gone out of control. Look at this article in Bethesda magazine. It's worth a read: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Magazine/November-December-2017/Hope-Lives-Here/ While this school is in MCPS, make no mistake- this is a reality in a good number of schools throughout the DMV.

So you hate poor people who live in trailers?

I thought it was a lovely story of how one community is supporting those in need. Those are some great teachers.

Who said that I hated poor people in trailers? Did you read it?
Of course principal and staff at the school are clearly amazing; but the fact is, teaching is only PART of their jobs these days. They're busy caring for these kids as if they are their own. If you don't see how that impacts education and our communities, then you are delusional. Send your kid to that school and let me know how much his education his impacted. Of course the fact that the school is over 75% farms and the fact that a good number of the students there are illegal immigrants impact public education and unfortunately the burden lays on just a few schools. YOu will never see this in the neighborhoods of McLean, Bethesda, Potomac, etc. Is that fair?

How do you know they are "illegal"?

You're right. It's just as likely that the non English speaking families living 15 people to an apartment been here for 5 generations. They don't speak a lick of English but you know, we can't prove that they are illegal, you and I, not even to have an Internet discussion.



Also

I dunno. Two families I know who are low-income and Spanish speakers are legal and live with extended family for a variety of reasons.

Ok, you got me. Parts of FFX looks like South America now - many who recently arrived and who don't speak a lick of English but it's clear they are all 100% legal. Also, I'm not sure why we are a sanctuary city at all, since everyone is legal...

You people crack me up. You are delusional. I do suspect you actually believe in the crap you put forth...

Fairfax County isn't a sanctuary county/city. ???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a huge issue and has gone out of control. Look at this article in Bethesda magazine. It's worth a read: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Magazine/November-December-2017/Hope-Lives-Here/ While this school is in MCPS, make no mistake- this is a reality in a good number of schools throughout the DMV.

So you hate poor people who live in trailers?

I thought it was a lovely story of how one community is supporting those in need. Those are some great teachers.

Who said that I hated poor people in trailers? Did you read it?
Of course principal and staff at the school are clearly amazing; but the fact is, teaching is only PART of their jobs these days. They're busy caring for these kids as if they are their own. If you don't see how that impacts education and our communities, then you are delusional. Send your kid to that school and let me know how much his education his impacted. Of course the fact that the school is over 75% farms and the fact that a good number of the students there are illegal immigrants impact public education and unfortunately the burden lays on just a few schools. YOu will never see this in the neighborhoods of McLean, Bethesda, Potomac, etc. Is that fair?

How do you know they are "illegal"?

Um, trust me. Hispanic people who are here legally do not live in trailers with other families whom they don't know. Did you read the article?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP who noted that nice SF homes are being rented to illegals who burden neighborhood schools. Regardless of our politics, I think all reasonable people can agree that illegal immigration has been detrimental to our schools and neighborhoods. FARMS and ESOL students require a lot of resources, which limits the amount left for everyone else. We need a to wake up and crack down. How are we letting people overstay visas, waltz across the border, come here to deliver anchor babies?

How do you know they are "illegals"? FARM and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

Everyone knows. You are grasping at straws.

Stop making assumptions. FARMS and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

And yet...

We all know they are illegal.

Sigh.

No, we don't. BS.

Come ON. People who aren't delusional and engaged in magical thinking know the obvious.

You just can't stand that your Liberal policies have contributed to the horrible decline in our local schools.

Plus, not a single liberal has criticized the illegal immigrant upthread (she admitted it) who bragged about having her kids in ESOL - but also bragging that she having herself "steered away" from high ESOL schools since she wants her kids to get a good education. What a hypocrite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP who noted that nice SF homes are being rented to illegals who burden neighborhood schools. Regardless of our politics, I think all reasonable people can agree that illegal immigration has been detrimental to our schools and neighborhoods. FARMS and ESOL students require a lot of resources, which limits the amount left for everyone else. We need a to wake up and crack down. How are we letting people overstay visas, waltz across the border, come here to deliver anchor babies?

How do you know they are "illegals"? FARM and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

Everyone knows. You are grasping at straws.

Stop making assumptions. FARMS and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

And yet...

We all know they are illegal.

Sigh.

No, we don't. BS.

Come ON. People who aren't delusional and engaged in magical thinking know the obvious.

You just can't stand that your Liberal policies have contributed to the horrible decline in our local schools.

Plus, not a single liberal has criticized the illegal immigrant upthread (she admitted it) who bragged about having her kids in ESOL - but also bragging that she having herself "steered away" from high ESOL schools since she wants her kids to get a good education. What a hypocrite.

I don't doubt that there are people in this area who are here illegally, but you are assuming that every school full of low-income, ESOL kids is FULL of "illegal" kids. It's just not true. You're using these kids as your own personal "boogeyman". Sounds like Breibert hype.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP who noted that nice SF homes are being rented to illegals who burden neighborhood schools. Regardless of our politics, I think all reasonable people can agree that illegal immigration has been detrimental to our schools and neighborhoods. FARMS and ESOL students require a lot of resources, which limits the amount left for everyone else. We need a to wake up and crack down. How are we letting people overstay visas, waltz across the border, come here to deliver anchor babies?

How do you know they are "illegals"? FARM and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

Everyone knows. You are grasping at straws.

Stop making assumptions. FARMS and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

And yet...

We all know they are illegal.

Sigh.

No, we don't. BS.

Come ON. People who aren't delusional and engaged in magical thinking know the obvious.

You just can't stand that your Liberal policies have contributed to the horrible decline in our local schools.

Plus, not a single liberal has criticized the illegal immigrant upthread (she admitted it) who bragged about having her kids in ESOL - but also bragging that she having herself "steered away" from high ESOL schools since she wants her kids to get a good education. What a hypocrite.

I don't doubt that there are people in this area who are here illegally, but you are assuming that every school full of low-income, ESOL kids is FULL of "illegal" kids. It's just not true. You're using these kids as your own personal "boogeyman". Sounds like Breibert hype.

Yes, but you still refuse to acknowledge the scummy way the "illegal" upthread is behaving.....saying proudly that her kids are on ESOL, but that she intentionally steered away from schools that had a lot of ESOL kids like her own. She is admitting, in so many words, that kids like hers are causing a decline for people in moderate neighborhoods - and that she doesn't want her kids going to school among them.

And did you have to end with the Breitbart smack? (I've never even read it.) Why can't liberals debate without ending everything with a personal insult? How about a personal insult for an illegal immigrant who doesn't want her ESOL kids in schools with high ESOL numbers because she knows those schools are crappy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP who noted that nice SF homes are being rented to illegals who burden neighborhood schools. Regardless of our politics, I think all reasonable people can agree that illegal immigration has been detrimental to our schools and neighborhoods. FARMS and ESOL students require a lot of resources, which limits the amount left for everyone else. We need a to wake up and crack down. How are we letting people overstay visas, waltz across the border, come here to deliver anchor babies?

How do you know they are "illegals"? FARM and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

Everyone knows. You are grasping at straws.

Stop making assumptions. FARMS and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

And yet...

We all know they are illegal.

Sigh.

No, we don't. BS.

Come ON. People who aren't delusional and engaged in magical thinking know the obvious.

You just can't stand that your Liberal policies have contributed to the horrible decline in our local schools.

Plus, not a single liberal has criticized the illegal immigrant upthread (she admitted it) who bragged about having her kids in ESOL - but also bragging that she having herself "steered away" from high ESOL schools since she wants her kids to get a good education. What a hypocrite.

I don't doubt that there are people in this area who are here illegally, but you are assuming that every school full of low-income, ESOL kids is FULL of "illegal" kids. It's just not true. You're using these kids as your own personal "boogeyman". Sounds like Breibert hype.

Yes, but you still refuse to acknowledge the scummy way the "illegal" upthread is behaving.....saying proudly that her kids are on ESOL, but that she intentionally steered away from schools that had a lot of ESOL kids like her own. She is admitting, in so many words, that kids like hers are causing a decline for people in moderate neighborhoods - and that she doesn't want her kids going to school among them.

And did you have to end with the Breitbart smack? (I've never even read it.) Why can't liberals debate without ending everything with a personal insult? How about a personal insult for an illegal immigrant who doesn't want her ESOL kids in schools with high ESOL numbers because she knows those schools are crappy?

Is the lady upthread some kind of official spokeswoman or something? Why does her single personal narrative hold so much weight with you? Moreover, since when is the single personal narrative off someone on an anonymous forum considered credible?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the PP who noted that nice SF homes are being rented to illegals who burden neighborhood schools. Regardless of our politics, I think all reasonable people can agree that illegal immigration has been detrimental to our schools and neighborhoods. FARMS and ESOL students require a lot of resources, which limits the amount left for everyone else. We need a to wake up and crack down. How are we letting people overstay visas, waltz across the border, come here to deliver anchor babies?

How do you know they are "illegals"? FARM and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

Everyone knows. You are grasping at straws.

Stop making assumptions. FARMS and ESOL does not mean "illegal".

And yet...

We all know they are illegal.

Sigh.

No, we don't. BS.

Come ON. People who aren't delusional and engaged in magical thinking know the obvious.

You just can't stand that your Liberal policies have contributed to the horrible decline in our local schools.

Plus, not a single liberal has criticized the illegal immigrant upthread (she admitted it) who bragged about having her kids in ESOL - but also bragging that she having herself "steered away" from high ESOL schools since she wants her kids to get a good education. What a hypocrite.

I don't doubt that there are people in this area who are here illegally, but you are assuming that every school full of low-income, ESOL kids is FULL of "illegal" kids. It's just not true. You're using these kids as your own personal "boogeyman". Sounds like Breibert hype.

Yes, but you still refuse to acknowledge the scummy way the "illegal" upthread is behaving.....saying proudly that her kids are on ESOL, but that she intentionally steered away from schools that had a lot of ESOL kids like her own. She is admitting, in so many words, that kids like hers are causing a decline for people in moderate neighborhoods - and that she doesn't want her kids going to school among them.

And did you have to end with the Breitbart smack? (I've never even read it.) Why can't liberals debate without ending everything with a personal insult? How about a personal insult for an illegal immigrant who doesn't want her ESOL kids in schools with high ESOL numbers because she knows those schools are crappy?

Is the lady upthread some kind of official spokeswoman or something? Why does her single personal narrative hold so much weight with you? Moreover, since when is the single personal narrative off someone on an anonymous forum considered credible?

Exactly. What should I say? Sounds like she came from a tough background and is just trying to do the best for her kids. Just like the rest of us. Would you really do anything differently if you were in her shoes?

And it's one family. Who is here legally now. My issue is that Rs are generalizing and stereotyping like mad. Low income + Spanish = illegal. You sound like a crazy old uncle complaining about "all of the Mexicans" (when most immigrants in this area are not from Mexico).