Dr Sneha Philip mystery - did she die in 9/11 attacks?

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Anonymous wrote:Not op, but I knew Sneha. She was nothing like the person described in the NY Mag article, clearly she was at a real low point right before September 11. My opinion is that she was not the person on the security video, and did not die at the World Trade Center.

She was not seen by anyone after the afternoon after the 10th. So she either met with foul play that night or saw an opportunity to escape a life that was making her miserable. If she simply stayed with someone Monday night and died at the wtc, that person would have come forward.

What was she like?

Very charming, very sophisticated, very smart. Always dated men when I knew her, but never Indian men, that was her form of rebellion.

Her family does have closure, they truly believe that she did a hero at the wtc.

Did you ever meet her husband?

No and I had not seen her since she started med school.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime of opportunity?

Someone killed her late on the 10th, and then the 11th came around and the answer to "what do I do with this body now?" was obvious: it was the perfect opportunity to dispose of a body. I'd imagine there were piles and piles of garbage and burnt things, right? Were they searching everything for bodies? Would anyone notice a large garbage bag or duffel amidst the mess?[/quotei

I was in NYC at the time and worked nearby.t No way could a rando get close enough to dump a body. There were blockades blocks and blocks away.c

The weirdest thing is the 4 am call from the house to his cell phone. Was he really home?

That 4am call stood out to me, too. But he said that he may have groggily been using the home phone to check messages on his cell phone and didn't have a clear memory of doing that because he was half asleep.

Very weird. But are we to assume she called him from home at 4am, because he wasn't home? Where was he?

I can't buy the "checked my voicemail" story. I had a basic cellphone in 2001 and I never used another phone to check my voicemail.

I mean, even if the excuse was that it was in another room and his home phone was closer, and he was calling to see if she had left a message, wouldn't you GET UP and check to see if she had made it home, and was in the other room or bathroom? Look for any trace she had stopped by while you were sleeping? And wouldn't you just say that? "I woke up and decided to check my voicemail. My phone was in the kitchen but the home phone was by the bed." Why say, "I don't remember."

I had a scare one night when my husband didn't come home when expected after a ball game with friends. I couldn't get ahold of him but just went to bed. At 3am I woke and he still wasn't home. I vividly remember looking at my phone, getting up to check the living room, kitchen, bathroom, garage, driveway. Turns out he drank too much and crashed at our friends house, but even though I was groggy, I was scared. Was HE not scared? Or is he just a bad liar. Or both.

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What if the husband was home at 4am, awake, calling his cell because he misplaced it.

Or she came home at 4am and called his cell bc he wasn't there? Or would security footage have showed her arriving?

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Anonymous wrote:What if the husband was home at 4am, awake, calling his cell because he misplaced it.

Or she came home at 4am and called his cell bc he wasn't there? Or would security footage have showed her arriving?

Well, why not just say that? "I lost my phone. I woke at 4am and tried to find it."

He didn't say that. He said he was groggy. He may have called his voicemail. But he can't remember.

Hmm.

I think it was more SHE called him. Where was he?

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It was apparently not unusual for her to go out and stay out all night and not call her husband to let him know where she was.

It doesn't sound like he got worried about her until the World Trade Center got hit, he realized he couldn't get a hold of her and chaos broke loose. That's when he finally went looking for her but, of course, by that point he wasn't the only one looking for a missing person.

The husband was at the hospital when she was last seen on store surveillance video. And then he was back at the hospital on the morning of 9/11.

It does seem as though he is glossing over what would be normally be some pretty big problems in a marriage - her losing her job and then the court date on 9/10 combined with her not coming home or even calling to let him know where she would be on a fairly regular basis. Did he know her friends? Did he know their names? I am assuming that her friends have all been talked to?

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Anonymous wrote:What if the husband was home at 4am, awake, calling his cell because he misplaced it.

Or she came home at 4am and called his cell bc he wasn't there? Or would security footage have showed her arriving?

I think the apartment did have security footage. It's mentioned that a grainy image of a woman is seen inside the building (at the elevators I think) on the morning of 9/11 but the woman doesn't get on the elevator. She turns and leaves the building That is part of the reason her family thinks that she might have gone to help the victims at the Trade Center.

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Anonymous wrote:What if the husband was home at 4am, awake, calling his cell because he misplaced it.

Or she came home at 4am and called his cell bc he wasn't there? Or would security footage have showed her arriving?

I think the apartment did have security footage. It's mentioned that a grainy image of a woman is seen inside the building (at the elevators I think) on the morning of 9/11 but the woman doesn't get on the elevator. She turns and leaves the building That is part of the reason her family thinks that she might have gone to help the victims at the Trade Center.

That was approx 845 am.

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Anonymous wrote:What if the husband was home at 4am, awake, calling his cell because he misplaced it.

Or she came home at 4am and called his cell bc he wasn't there? Or would security footage have showed her arriving?

I think the apartment did have security footage. It's mentioned that a grainy image of a woman is seen inside the building (at the elevators I think) on the morning of 9/11 but the woman doesn't get on the elevator. She turns and leaves the building That is part of the reason her family thinks that she might have gone to help the victims at the Trade Center.

That was approx 845 am.

The time when the first plane hit.

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Anonymous wrote:What if the husband was home at 4am, awake, calling his cell because he misplaced it.

Or she came home at 4am and called his cell bc he wasn't there? Or would security footage have showed her arriving?

I think the apartment did have security footage. It's mentioned that a grainy image of a woman is seen inside the building (at the elevators I think) on the morning of 9/11 but the woman doesn't get on the elevator. She turns and leaves the building That is part of the reason her family thinks that she might have gone to help the victims at the Trade Center.

That was approx 845 am.

The time when the first plane hit.

I think it was 3 min before that she left. I think 843am, assuming the time stamp is correct.

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Anonymous wrote:What if the husband was home at 4am, awake, calling his cell because he misplaced it.

Or she came home at 4am and called his cell bc he wasn't there? Or would security footage have showed her arriving?

I think the apartment did have security footage. It's mentioned that a grainy image of a woman is seen inside the building (at the elevators I think) on the morning of 9/11 but the woman doesn't get on the elevator. She turns and leaves the building That is part of the reason her family thinks that she might have gone to help the victims at the Trade Center.

That was approx 845 am.

The time when the first plane hit.

I think it was 3 min before that she left. I think 843am, assuming the time stamp is correct.

It seems to add up that she died in the WTC. I'm always a fan of the simplest explanation and this seems totally in line with what a doctor who lives two blocks from the WTC would react. I was in lower Manhattan on 9/11 and I distinctively remember doctors and nurses running TOWARD the WTC site in their scrubs to go assist.

What happened to the clothes from Century 21? They were never for her, she bought them as a gift for someone else and left them at the apartment of this other person. This person may have also been cheating on their spouse, so they never came forward to admit spending time with Sneha. Or, perhaps, they also died in 9/11 so there is no after-the-fact corroboration of Sneha's whereabouts on the night of the 10th.

Also, I believe the husband regarding the voicemail. I got my very first cell phone the summer of 2001. I would frequently call my cell phone number then hit "#" to check the voicemail box remotely. I did it all the time from my home phone or my office phone. Why? Because my plan only had 200 voice minutes per month and it would deplete those to check voicemail! So I'd use a landline to check voicemail whenever possible.

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Anonymous wrote:What if the husband was home at 4am, awake, calling his cell because he misplaced it.

Or she came home at 4am and called his cell bc he wasn't there? Or would security footage have showed her arriving?

I think the apartment did have security footage. It's mentioned that a grainy image of a woman is seen inside the building (at the elevators I think) on the morning of 9/11 but the woman doesn't get on the elevator. She turns and leaves the building That is part of the reason her family thinks that she might have gone to help the victims at the Trade Center.

That was approx 845 am.

The time when the first plane hit.

I think it was 3 min before that she left. I think 843am, assuming the time stamp is correct.

It seems to add up that she died in the WTC. I'm always a fan of the simplest explanation and this seems totally in line with what a doctor who lives two blocks from the WTC would react. I was in lower Manhattan on 9/11 and I distinctively remember doctors and nurses running TOWARD the WTC site in their scrubs to go assist.

What happened to the clothes from Century 21? They were never for her, she bought them as a gift for someone else and left them at the apartment of this other person. This person may have also been cheating on their spouse, so they never came forward to admit spending time with Sneha. Or, perhaps, they also died in 9/11 so there is no after-the-fact corroboration of Sneha's whereabouts on the night of the 10th.

Also, I believe the husband regarding the voicemail. I got my very first cell phone the summer of 2001. I would frequently call my cell phone number then hit "#" to check the voicemail box remotely. I did it all the time from my home phone or my office phone. Why? Because my plan only had 200 voice minutes per month and it would deplete those to check voicemail! So I'd use a landline to check voicemail whenever possible.

She had a friend getting married soon so she could have bought the lingerie and the linens as a bridal shower gift for her friend. Maybe she left those items with the friend that she met up with at the shopping center?

I agree with the cell phone thing. I also don't think that it's that weird that an ER doctor would use his home phone to check his cellphone for messages back in 2001.

The timing of seeing the woman who looked like Sneha in the apartment lobby video matching up so closely with the first plane hitting the Trade Center....it does sound like she may have run over to see if she could help. I'm not seeing her going into the building and attempting to rescue people, though. Wouldn't she have stayed outside to offer assistance to people running out of and being carried out of the building? And if she was outside the building, wouldn't they have found her body?

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Anonymous wrote:What if the husband was home at 4am, awake, calling his cell because he misplaced it.

Or she came home at 4am and called his cell bc he wasn't there? Or would security footage have showed her arriving?

I think the apartment did have security footage. It's mentioned that a grainy image of a woman is seen inside the building (at the elevators I think) on the morning of 9/11 but the woman doesn't get on the elevator. She turns and leaves the building That is part of the reason her family thinks that she might have gone to help the victims at the Trade Center.

That was approx 845 am.

The time when the first plane hit.

I think it was 3 min before that she left. I think 843am, assuming the time stamp is correct.

It seems to add up that she died in the WTC. I'm always a fan of the simplest explanation and this seems totally in line with what a doctor who lives two blocks from the WTC would react. I was in lower Manhattan on 9/11 and I distinctively remember doctors and nurses running TOWARD the WTC site in their scrubs to go assist.

What happened to the clothes from Century 21? They were never for her, she bought them as a gift for someone else and left them at the apartment of this other person. This person may have also been cheating on their spouse, so they never came forward to admit spending time with Sneha. Or, perhaps, they also died in 9/11 so there is no after-the-fact corroboration of Sneha's whereabouts on the night of the 10th.

Also, I believe the husband regarding the voicemail. I got my very first cell phone the summer of 2001. I would frequently call my cell phone number then hit "#" to check the voicemail box remotely. I did it all the time from my home phone or my office phone. Why? Because my plan only had 200 voice minutes per month and it would deplete those to check voicemail! So I'd use a landline to check voicemail whenever possible.

She had a friend getting married soon so she could have bought the lingerie and the linens as a bridal shower gift for her friend. Maybe she left those items with the friend that she met up with at the shopping center?

I agree with the cell phone thing. I also don't think that it's that weird that an ER doctor would use his home phone to check his cellphone for messages back in 2001.

The timing of seeing the woman who looked like Sneha in the apartment lobby video matching up so closely with the first plane hitting the Trade Center....it does sound like she may have run over to see if she could help. I'm not seeing her going into the building and attempting to rescue people, though. Wouldn't she have stayed outside to offer assistance to people running out of and being carried out of the building? And if she was outside the building, wouldn't they have found her body?

No, the building itself collapsed of the WTC's "pedestal" (aka the pedestrian plaza between the two buildings). Anyone on the ground outside the WTC would have been crushed by the collapsing building and falling debris. The fires were so hot in that debris that her body would have been incinerated.

The most likely scenario is that she was rendering first aid on the ground of the pedestal or in the lobby of one of the Towers. Then, upon collapse, she was either killed instantly or trapped (until the second Tower fell). She was too small to enter the building and carry anyone.

As a NY'er who lived through 9/11, I can say that none of us expected the Towers to fall. All of us were in shock as the Towers collapsed, people on the street gasped in horror as it happened (I made it to Union Square as I watched the 2nd tower collapse). So she probably didn't even consider that she was in danger as she rendered medical aid to injured victims.

As the New York Magazine article alludes, they still had hundreds of pieces of unidentified jewelry and DNA evidence to test so there may be more definitive evidence emerge.

Furthermore, Sneha's name appears on the 9/11 Memorial. So she has been recognized.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if the husband was home at 4am, awake, calling his cell because he misplaced it.

Or she came home at 4am and called his cell bc he wasn't there? Or would security footage have showed her arriving?

I think the apartment did have security footage. It's mentioned that a grainy image of a woman is seen inside the building (at the elevators I think) on the morning of 9/11 but the woman doesn't get on the elevator. She turns and leaves the building That is part of the reason her family thinks that she might have gone to help the victims at the Trade Center.

That was approx 845 am.

The time when the first plane hit.

I think it was 3 min before that she left. I think 843am, assuming the time stamp is correct.

It seems to add up that she died in the WTC. I'm always a fan of the simplest explanation and this seems totally in line with what a doctor who lives two blocks from the WTC would react. I was in lower Manhattan on 9/11 and I distinctively remember doctors and nurses running TOWARD the WTC site in their scrubs to go assist.

What happened to the clothes from Century 21? They were never for her, she bought them as a gift for someone else and left them at the apartment of this other person. This person may have also been cheating on their spouse, so they never came forward to admit spending time with Sneha. Or, perhaps, they also died in 9/11 so there is no after-the-fact corroboration of Sneha's whereabouts on the night of the 10th.

Also, I believe the husband regarding the voicemail. I got my very first cell phone the summer of 2001. I would frequently call my cell phone number then hit "#" to check the voicemail box remotely. I did it all the time from my home phone or my office phone. Why? Because my plan only had 200 voice minutes per month and it would deplete those to check voicemail! So I'd use a landline to check voicemail whenever possible.

She had a friend getting married soon so she could have bought the lingerie and the linens as a bridal shower gift for her friend. Maybe she left those items with the friend that she met up with at the shopping center?

I agree with the cell phone thing. I also don't think that it's that weird that an ER doctor would use his home phone to check his cellphone for messages back in 2001.

The timing of seeing the woman who looked like Sneha in the apartment lobby video matching up so closely with the first plane hitting the Trade Center....it does sound like she may have run over to see if she could help. I'm not seeing her going into the building and attempting to rescue people, though. Wouldn't she have stayed outside to offer assistance to people running out of and being carried out of the building? And if she was outside the building, wouldn't they have found her body?

BUT She left the lobby before the plane hit. She didn't have a cell phone so how would she have known what's in the news. It wasn't even in the news that fast. The timing is off.

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Her friend was getting married next year.

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Anonymous wrote:What if the husband was home at 4am, awake, calling his cell because he misplaced it.

Or she came home at 4am and called his cell bc he wasn't there? Or would security footage have showed her arriving?

I think the apartment did have security footage. It's mentioned that a grainy image of a woman is seen inside the building (at the elevators I think) on the morning of 9/11 but the woman doesn't get on the elevator. She turns and leaves the building That is part of the reason her family thinks that she might have gone to help the victims at the Trade Center.

That was approx 845 am.

The time when the first plane hit.

I think it was 3 min before that she left. I think 843am, assuming the time stamp is correct.

It seems to add up that she died in the WTC. I'm always a fan of the simplest explanation and this seems totally in line with what a doctor who lives two blocks from the WTC would react. I was in lower Manhattan on 9/11 and I distinctively remember doctors and nurses running TOWARD the WTC site in their scrubs to go assist.

What happened to the clothes from Century 21? They were never for her, she bought them as a gift for someone else and left them at the apartment of this other person. This person may have also been cheating on their spouse, so they never came forward to admit spending time with Sneha. Or, perhaps, they also died in 9/11 so there is no after-the-fact corroboration of Sneha's whereabouts on the night of the 10th.

Also, I believe the husband regarding the voicemail. I got my very first cell phone the summer of 2001. I would frequently call my cell phone number then hit "#" to check the voicemail box remotely. I did it all the time from my home phone or my office phone. Why? Because my plan only had 200 voice minutes per month and it would deplete those to check voicemail! So I'd use a landline to check voicemail whenever possible.

She had a friend getting married soon so she could have bought the lingerie and the linens as a bridal shower gift for her friend. Maybe she left those items with the friend that she met up with at the shopping center?

I agree with the cell phone thing. I also don't think that it's that weird that an ER doctor would use his home phone to check his cellphone for messages back in 2001.

The timing of seeing the woman who looked like Sneha in the apartment lobby video matching up so closely with the first plane hitting the Trade Center....it does sound like she may have run over to see if she could help. I'm not seeing her going into the building and attempting to rescue people, though. Wouldn't she have stayed outside to offer assistance to people running out of and being carried out of the building? And if she was outside the building, wouldn't they have found her body?

No, the building itself collapsed of the WTC's "pedestal" (aka the pedestrian plaza between the two buildings). Anyone on the ground outside the WTC would have been crushed by the collapsing building and falling debris. The fires were so hot in that debris that her body would have been incinerated.

The most likely scenario is that she was rendering first aid on the ground of the pedestal or in the lobby of one of the Towers. Then, upon collapse, she was either killed instantly or trapped (until the second Tower fell). She was too small to enter the building and carry anyone.

As a NY'er who lived through 9/11, I can say that none of us expected the Towers to fall. All of us were in shock as the Towers collapsed, people on the street gasped in horror as it happened (I made it to Union Square as I watched the 2nd tower collapse). So she probably didn't even consider that she was in danger as she rendered medical aid to injured victims.

As the New York Magazine article alludes, they still had hundreds of pieces of unidentified jewelry and DNA evidence to test so there may be more definitive evidence emerge.

Furthermore, Sneha's name appears on the 9/11 Memorial. So she has been recognized.

I can't even imagine the horror of seeing that happen in person. I know that I was watching the whole thing unfold on t.v. my mind couldn't quite grasp what my eyes were seeing.

Were there a lot of people standing up close to the building when it collapsed? Were other doctors and nurses rendering medical aid killed? I remember the horror on the faces of onlookers as the tower collapsed and they realized that the enormous dust and debris cloud was coming right at them. It was probably the most terrifying thing that I've ever witnessed.