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Anonymous wrote:What I didn't like about their break up conversation was that she was clearly asking him to propose, the day before getting engaged to Bryan. Do you remember Chris Soules coming to Becca the night before with "why don't you love me?" Why don't you love me, why won't you propose to me - these are not the things to say the night before you get engaged to some one else. Plenty of other leads finish out their seasons without pleading with the runner up. This begging, pleading stuff is just not the right thing to do when you "know" who you're going to pick. Piss on Peter all you like, but no lead should behave this way when their mind is already made up.

Right. And that's always the crack in the foundation that leads to the breakup.

I have not seen the stuff Bryan is selling. Corinne was selling platinum vagine t-shirts.

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Anonymous wrote:That dress was really bad. I still can't get over that she left her eyelashes on the floor, Peter refused to pick them up, and she talks to her ring like it's a person now.

The side slit and threads holding it together - was that the design or worry about a wardrobe malfunction?

I took the eyelash comment as passive aggressive. Like after she said how she cried her eyelashes off, he chimed in a reminder like yes, she was so upset at losing me and tossing away what we had. I had to look at the reminder of her bad decision the next two days and I'd be darned if I picked them up.

If I had a 100K ring from a guy that was handsome like Bryan, and I'm betting is good about focusing that attention behind closed doors - I'd be acting a fool myself. My ring was not nearly as much bling and my DH jokes that he isn't sure if I even said yes because I was like "oh my gosh, oh my gosh can I put on the ring".

Yes, she was definitely very excited about the diamond being large! (Hopefully, Bryan filled her in on the insurance fraud charges against him before he put it on her finger. Does anyone know how that case was resolved?)

That part I don't know, sorry.

What fraud charges? What's his full name and I'll look it up and report back.

My question though is how unusual is this for a licensed practitioner? Don't most of them end up on the receiving end of a law suit at some point in their career?

Just looked at the docket and read the complaint. Basically the complaint (filed in March 2016) alleged insurance fraud claims against him and the companies he owns and other owners for submitting claims for insurance payments for chiropractic services that were either uneccesary or never performed. The case settled in March of this year. Apparently he had previously been charged in an administrative proceeding before the FL board of chiropractic whatever for similar issues - one example provided was that he prescribed inappropriate treatments for a 3 year old that was in a car accident (that involved things like using a rowing machine, etc). Apparently he also owns an MRI company and the complaint alleged that he would refer people to get MRIs when it wasn't necessary so he could submit insurance claims.

Oh cool! I believe it's Bryan Abasolo.

[Anonymous]

Excellent post, 00:38.

What most viewers DON'T know is that Peter spent the whole time the season was airing like absolutely awful, super negative comments about Bryan- unhinged comments that attacked Bryan for his looks, his character, his family. Comments that really went above and beyond reasonable viewer critique.

And Peter gave validation to his nasty fans by repeatedly liking those comments.

YET Peter would post on Instagram about how everyone should be nice and kind. Completely hypocritical.

A source who knows Peter described him to Reality Steve as an emotional, manipulative basketcase. I think we'll definitely see more of that on his season.

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent post, 00:38.

What most viewers DON'T know is that Peter spent the whole time the season was airing like absolutely awful, super negative comments about Bryan- unhinged comments that attacked Bryan for his looks, his character, his family. Comments that really went above and beyond reasonable viewer critique.

And Peter gave validation to his nasty fans by repeatedly liking those comments.

YET Peter would post on Instagram about how everyone should be nice and kind. Completely hypocritical.

A source who knows Peter described him to Reality Steve as an emotional, manipulative basketcase. I think we'll definitely see more of that on his season.

My guess is Reality Steve's source is Rachel, Bryan, or someone close to them.

[Anonymous]

As much as I would like to see Peter or Eric as the next bachelor, I have an even better idea. Daniel Maguire the Canadian guy from BIP. He's hilarious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent post, 00:38.

What most viewers DON'T know is that Peter spent the whole time the season was airing like absolutely awful, super negative comments about Bryan- unhinged comments that attacked Bryan for his looks, his character, his family. Comments that really went above and beyond reasonable viewer critique.

And Peter gave validation to his nasty fans by repeatedly liking those comments.

YET Peter would post on Instagram about how everyone should be nice and kind. Completely hypocritical.

A source who knows Peter described him to Reality Steve as an emotional, manipulative basketcase. I think we'll definitely see more of that on his season.

My guess is Reality Steve's source is Rachel, Bryan, or someone close to them.

Agreed, Reality Steve isn't held to any high standard of journalism for his sources. All the people calling and email him could just be jilted ex's, high school people holding a grudge, and contestants who just didn't jive with him as a roommate. I really do not put stock in RS's "intel."

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent post, 00:38.

What most viewers DON'T know is that Peter spent the whole time the season was airing like absolutely awful, super negative comments about Bryan- unhinged comments that attacked Bryan for his looks, his character, his family. Comments that really went above and beyond reasonable viewer critique.

And Peter gave validation to his nasty fans by repeatedly liking those comments.

YET Peter would post on Instagram about how everyone should be nice and kind. Completely hypocritical.

A source who knows Peter described him to Reality Steve as an emotional, manipulative basketcase. I think we'll definitely see more of that on his season.

My guess is Reality Steve's source is Rachel, Bryan, or someone close to them.

Agreed, Reality Steve isn't held to any high standard of journalism for his sources. All the people calling and email him could just be jilted ex's, high school people holding a grudge, and contestants who just didn't jive with him as a roommate. I really do not put stock in RS's "intel."

Reality Steve has correctly guessed the winner for every season he has covered. Seriously. What is your "intel?" The show is heavily produced not crazy that they could make Peter look as desireable as possible in order to transition to the Bachelor.

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent post, 00:38.

What most viewers DON'T know is that Peter spent the whole time the season was airing like absolutely awful, super negative comments about Bryan- unhinged comments that attacked Bryan for his looks, his character, his family. Comments that really went above and beyond reasonable viewer critique.

And Peter gave validation to his nasty fans by repeatedly liking those comments.

YET Peter would post on Instagram about how everyone should be nice and kind. Completely hypocritical.

A source who knows Peter described him to Reality Steve as an emotional, manipulative basketcase. I think we'll definitely see more of that on his season.

My guess is Reality Steve's source is Rachel, Bryan, or someone close to them.

Agreed, Reality Steve isn't held to any high standard of journalism for his sources. All the people calling and email him could just be jilted ex's, high school people holding a grudge, and contestants who just didn't jive with him as a roommate. I really do not put stock in RS's "intel."

Reality Steve has correctly guessed the winner for every season he has covered. Seriously. What is your "intel?" The show is heavily produced not crazy that they could make Peter look as desireable as possible in order to transition to the Bachelor.

Now that's just not true. He had Caitlyn's season wrong until she spoiled it herself on Snapchat and he had Des's season wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent post, 00:38.

What most viewers DON'T know is that Peter spent the whole time the season was airing like absolutely awful, super negative comments about Bryan- unhinged comments that attacked Bryan for his looks, his character, his family. Comments that really went above and beyond reasonable viewer critique.

And Peter gave validation to his nasty fans by repeatedly liking those comments.

YET Peter would post on Instagram about how everyone should be nice and kind. Completely hypocritical.

A source who knows Peter described him to Reality Steve as an emotional, manipulative basketcase. I think we'll definitely see more of that on his season.

My guess is Reality Steve's source is Rachel, Bryan, or someone close to them.

Agreed, Reality Steve isn't held to any high standard of journalism for his sources. All the people calling and email him could just be jilted ex's, high school people holding a grudge, and contestants who just didn't jive with him as a roommate. I really do not put stock in RS's "intel."

Reality Steve has correctly guessed the winner for every season he has covered. Seriously. What is your "intel?" The show is heavily produced not crazy that they could make Peter look as desireable as possible in order to transition to the Bachelor.

DP. Obviously Steve has some source who doesn't like Peter. That doesn't mean his source is objectively correct. Personally, it's gonna be hard to convince me that a chiropractor who calls himself a doctor and sells mugs with depictions of his abdomen on them for spare cash has more integrity or character than Peter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I didn't like about their break up conversation was that she was clearly asking him to propose, the day before getting engaged to Bryan. Do you remember Chris Soules coming to Becca the night before with "why don't you love me?" Why don't you love me, why won't you propose to me - these are not the things to say the night before you get engaged to some one else. Plenty of other leads finish out their seasons without pleading with the runner up. This begging, pleading stuff is just not the right thing to do when you "know" who you're going to pick. Piss on Peter all you like, but no lead should behave this way when their mind is already made up.

I've thought about it and while who knows what the unedited version of the conversation had I.e. Was this hour 2 or the 3 hour conversation and did he ask her not to go etc., I do fall back on a few facts

- Bryan was the front runner all along with the matching watches, defending him her family, "hey baby" on his home town visit, and never did he get the last rose until there was only one rose left. That's a lot of validation she gave to her supposed second choice. In fact, other than the break-up scene it never seemed that close once you got to week 5 or 6
-She didn't take him up on the pity proposal nor would she ever say he was the one she was going to pick
- In bachelorette/bachelor world of falling in love, love, and in-love, she says she only told Bryan she was in-love with him and there hasn't been any film to prove differently
- she didn't meet Peter when he wanted to reach out afterwards. I think if you truly weren't sure and thought you could be happier with him, you would have at least heard him out

I have a friend happily married with two kids that back in the day had a back and forth between the boyfriend that wouldn't commit and her now husband. Husband was direct, knew what he wanted, and didn't play games and they first met when she was dating her can't commit boyfriend. They all happens to be in touch thru a mutual hobby. Once she broke up with the boyfriend and just started dating the guy that's now her husband, the ex came back - saying he would be more committed than ever. She felt given the history she wanted to see it thru and went back to the ex. After maybe one month she realized she felt stronger/better about her now husband than what she had with the ex and realized she didn't want her ex anymore. So I do think you can have strong feelings for someone that wouldn't make a good long-term partner with you but that doesn't mean the person you end up with is the default choice/settling. You are making a choice to pursue the person that is right for you but sometimes you need that proof that even if the person gives lip service to giving you want you want in the relationship in order to keep you, you would be far happier with the other person.

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It boils down to that she and Bryan were "fast" and Peter is "slow".

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent post, 00:38.

What most viewers DON'T know is that Peter spent the whole time the season was airing like absolutely awful, super negative comments about Bryan- unhinged comments that attacked Bryan for his looks, his character, his family. Comments that really went above and beyond reasonable viewer critique.

And Peter gave validation to his nasty fans by repeatedly liking those comments.

YET Peter would post on Instagram about how everyone should be nice and kind. Completely hypocritical.

A source who knows Peter described him to Reality Steve as an emotional, manipulative basketcase. I think we'll definitely see more of that on his season.

My guess is Reality Steve's source is Rachel, Bryan, or someone close to them.

Agreed, Reality Steve isn't held to any high standard of journalism for his sources. All the people calling and email him could just be jilted ex's, high school people holding a grudge, and contestants who just didn't jive with him as a roommate. I really do not put stock in RS's "intel."

Reality Steve has correctly guessed the winner for every season he has covered. Seriously. What is your "intel?" The show is heavily produced not crazy that they could make Peter look as desireable as possible in order to transition to the Bachelor.

DP. Obviously Steve has some source who doesn't like Peter. That doesn't mean his source is objectively correct. Personally, it's gonna be hard to convince me that a chiropractor who calls himself a doctor and sells mugs with depictions of his abdomen on them for spare cash has more integrity or character than Peter.

To clarify, I don't think Bryan is any better. I think Peter and Bryan are both terrible. But the producers edited footage of two phonies so that one looked phony and the other looked like a nice guy who just couldn't commit.

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Anonymous wrote:What I didn't like about their break up conversation was that she was clearly asking him to propose, the day before getting engaged to Bryan. Do you remember Chris Soules coming to Becca the night before with "why don't you love me?" Why don't you love me, why won't you propose to me - these are not the things to say the night before you get engaged to some one else. Plenty of other leads finish out their seasons without pleading with the runner up. This begging, pleading stuff is just not the right thing to do when you "know" who you're going to pick. Piss on Peter all you like, but no lead should behave this way when their mind is already made up.

I've thought about it and while who knows what the unedited version of the conversation had I.e. Was this hour 2 or the 3 hour conversation and did he ask her not to go etc., I do fall back on a few facts

- Bryan was the front runner all along with the matching watches, defending him her family, "hey baby" on his home town visit, and never did he get the last rose until there was only one rose left. That's a lot of validation she gave to her supposed second choice. In fact, other than the break-up scene it never seemed that close once you got to week 5 or 6
-She didn't take him up on the pity proposal nor would she ever say he was the one she was going to pick
- In bachelorette/bachelor world of falling in love, love, and in-love, she says she only told Bryan she was in-love with him and there hasn't been any film to prove differently
- she didn't meet Peter when he wanted to reach out afterwards. I think if you truly weren't sure and thought you could be happier with him, you would have at least heard him out

I have a friend happily married with two kids that back in the day had a back and forth between the boyfriend that wouldn't commit and her now husband. Husband was direct, knew what he wanted, and didn't play games and they first met when she was dating her can't commit boyfriend. They all happens to be in touch thru a mutual hobby. Once she broke up with the boyfriend and just started dating the guy that's now her husband, the ex came back - saying he would be more committed than ever. She felt given the history she wanted to see it thru and went back to the ex. After maybe one month she realized she felt stronger/better about her now husband than what she had with the ex and realized she didn't want her ex anymore. So I do think you can have strong feelings for someone that wouldn't make a good long-term partner with you but that doesn't mean the person you end up with is the default choice/settling. You are making a choice to pursue the person that is right for you but sometimes you need that proof that even if the person gives lip service to giving you want you want in the relationship in order to keep you, you would be far happier with the other person.

I don't doubt that she had a stronger connection with Bryan. I saw it. We all saw it all season long. I also don't doubt that she had feelings of love to varying degrees with all four final men. My point, however, is that if she walked into the room that night with Peter knowing what she would do (as she now claims in her interviews), then she could have played it like most leads - simply ask how they're feeling at this point in the process, probably to suss out whether your runner up can make it through the next day or needs to be cut now. The only other lead I know of who actively tried to convince the runner up to be more into it at the last minute is Chris Soules, and I think there's a reason why this is rare: if you know what you're going to do in the end, then you start thinking through who will be easiest break up on the final day and save that person as your #2 and let the real competition go as #3 or #4 so they stop distracting you. I think that's what Jojo was trying to do by cutting Luke as #4 even though she was clearly distraught about it.

But I digress: what I didn't like about Rachel's behavior in the finale was that her words (I knew what I was doing) and her actions (acting as if she wanted/needed Peter) did not align, and that doesn't jive with what we've otherwise seen of her from the past two seasons.

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But I digress: what I didn't like about Rachel's behavior in the finale was that her words (I knew what I was doing) and her actions (acting as if she wanted/needed Peter) did not align, and that doesn't jive with what we've otherwise seen of her from the past two seasons.

This exactly. I think the backlash is based on her actions vs. her words. In her defense, she didn't get a chance to process the truth. She saw the break-up and how they felt about each other on live tv with the rest of us and i think she panicked. (I know for a fact i would too.) She put up her defenses and came off as less than genuine -- which was not who she was throughout her run. In a way, ABC set her up for the backlash by combining the after the rose show with the finale. I don't think she deserves the hate she's getting and I do think if she allows herself to rewatch that breakup and see what is so obvious to anyone with a pulse, part of her will regret the outcome. That sucks for her.

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It's not like on Survivor though where they want to bring the weaker player along to make it easier to get to the end. They bring the ones they want to the end so they can have their cake and eat it too in the FS. Then it backfires when the runner up gets hurt and the chosen one sees the connection they had which leaves a bad taste in their mouth. The winners that don't watch the show because they don't want to get jealous probably have a better chance at a relationship.