Teenage Drama Queen. |
Thats just the perception and feeling. Obama is a blank slate without Bill baggage. He had only a few years in politics before he became president. He didn't have enough time to make BIG promises and not meet it(one can argue he DID PROMISE big and didn't do a tenth of what he promised. He is a better campaigner and a much better communicator OVER ANYONE BUT Bill Clinton. Hillary is a terrible campaigner and a terrible campaigner BUT her strengths are she is better at policy and getting things done once she is elected. And there is no one more qualified in so many decades. |
All of her experience and qualifications sure did not result in any significant achievements as SoS. The one assignment she was given as First Lady to spearhead health care reform in the 90s' she royally fucked up ........ and I actually know about this because I then worked in a senior position in the health care system and we knew that with her approach and relying on Magaziner her proposals would never pass. There actually was consensus at the time to pass some form of universal healthcare given the participants in the House and Senate but she did not have the first idea about how to get things done. It was a totally blown opportunity. Her failure played a big role in the losses the Democrats faced in the 1994 mid-term and the rise of Gingrich. Yes, she knows policy but she has appalling judgement whether it was her vote for war against Iraq or her spearheading the move to remove Khaddafi which created another fuck up in Libya not to mention her role with regard to Syria. |
NP- I'm an Obama supporter but think at times he wasn't the most effective leader. He should have taken a bigger role in crafting "Obamacare" rather than passing the buck to congress to figure it out. He also spent a lot of political capital getting that passed, so other potential priorities suffered and then when many Dems got voted out of congress he wasn't really able to get anything done. Which of course was not entirely his fault, this Congress does nothing. I think he might have been more effective if he'd had just a bit more experience under his belt, but 2008 was a golden opportunity and I don't blame him for running then. Wish he could run for a third term in some ways, he just seems more comfortable in the role now. And I vastly prefer him to Clinton and especially Trump. |
As a conservative, I agree with you completely - just from the opposite side. I cannot believe that the idiots voting in the primary have foisted such a horrible candidate on us (Trump) that we might end up with a corrupt liar with a total lack of integrity (as you noted.) Had we nominated someone decent - I liked Kasich - HRC wouldn't have had a chance. As it stands now, we're going to end up with an ignorant blowhard or a conniving liar - and the country will be in serious trouble. |
Well, I know you and I are on opposite sides of the political spectrum, so I don't expect you'll agree with any of my opinions, but I provide them just to make sure people (not necessarily you) know there are reasons not to like a president that have nothing to do with race. (I've sometimes spent five minutes why I think a policy is wrong, only to be told...."racist." It's a weak comeback.) That said, here are some examples of what I think Obama did wrong: The stimulus package was a waste of money (an extra million jobs were lost after it)....Obamacare has harmed a lot of people (the middle class who makes too much for subsidies but now have policies with ridiculous deductibles that are practically useless)...the Libya intervention was a big mistake (Obama himself admits to this), we are at the lowest labor participation rate in decades (the 5% you mention does not factor in discouraged workers who have left the market), the Iran Deal....pulling out of Iraq too soon....allowing the abuses in the VA to continue way too long....the START treaty with Russia....the Bergdahl terrorist swap....declining the Keystone pipeline....adding $9 trillion to the debt....failure to secure the border and being weak with illegal immigrants who commit multiple crimes (that Steinle woman is an example)...unconstitutional executive action...just a sampling of the policies/actions I disagree with. If I had more time, I could give you more. Again, I know you'll think differently, and I don't want to engage in a debate with you - especially given Obama is on his sway out. But this should tell you just how dismayed I am with our current candidates that I'd consider Obama, with all his wrong decisions (as I see them), to be preferable. |
I have answered point by point, but however you are not gonna change your mind coz you want a liberal president to act like your PERFECT GOP president that never existed. |
New CBS poll shows dead even - 40% Clinton, 40% Trump. Her deceit regarding her email server, as revealed by Comey, is clearly the reason. |
I never said the GOP candidate was perfect, far from it, so no need for the snarky ending. Your nasty crap (i.e., my demigod Reagan, etc.) shows me you are just another rude liberal who can't have a respectful conversation with anyone who disagrees with you. Liberals....tolerant with everyone, as long as you agree with them. I've wasted enough time. |
If you cant rebut with logic, facts and numbers, then escape on technicalities showing your THIN skin. I am no where nearly as rude as many of your GOP kin. GOP guys always TALK AS IF a GOP president is faultless and perfect. But there is no such President, not even Lincoln. |
She def had a bad week. But Trump struggles to break out of the low 40s, even when he's having a good week. We'll see if he gets a convention bounce. |
Thanks for the well researched info! I was thinking about voting for Trump, but he really is just a faker. |
Ha ha. Yeah, right. |
I am the pp you responded to and I agree with you on Kasich. I'd have voted for him over Hillary any day although some of his positions on social issues are not compatible with mine. But fundamentally the guy is a decent person, he has done a good job as governor of OH and he was effective when he was in Congress. I would support him over Hillary any time. It still blows my mind that out of all the people we have in this country we end up with a choice between as you put it "an ignorant blowhard or a conniving liar". |
PP here, and I'll still with you. Things are so bad with these two we're stuck with that I'd vote for any decent person over either of them - even if their policies were not aligned with my views. A big plus with Kasich is that he can compromise....a trait sorely needed. 300 million people in the country, and these are who we end up with? Very sad commentary on the state of the electorate - on BOTH sides. |