Catholic Confirmed, but non-believer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Ok, fine. I give up. You officially win. Every single of the billions of Catholics in the history of the world have all been child molesters. Every single one! That's actually the reason for all the naked baby angels on various Catholic chapels in Europe. That's the reason we use Latin, it's our secret evil code. The scale of our evil isn't fully known only because we hire the Illuminati to dispose all of our enemies.

We are just that evil. We are like ISIS plus MS-13 plus whoever the villan was in Austin Powers, COMBINED.

Thank you PP for your valiant service on the thread, making the world safer one DCUM post at a time.

Apparently hyperbole and sarcasm is how you manage your denial. I'm afrad there are too many like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many beautiful things about the Catholic church and some people are able to see them and stay with the church and not be bothered very much, if at all, by pedophilia cover-ups or anything else negative that the church has done, or will do.

These people of deep faith are hard to understand by people who seem to have lost the gift of faith, or who have shut it or thrown it away.

Perhaps if people who have given up on their faith spent more time in Church, their faith would return. Why not give it a try?

If a priest raped your child, would you return to the church?

If the answer is no, then you're a fucking hypocrite like the rest.

When you support the church, you approve of the way they handled the cover up. And your Cardinal's Appeal $$$, did just that by making their lives comfortable.

I guess your first point is what I don't understand the logic behind. If a teacher in another school raped a student, you would have to pull your child from school? Let's even say it is a private school where the rape occurred, since then you would have a choice and are actively paying versus a public school pay it taxes and less of a choice due to school boundaries. I'm not sure if that logic follows that the entire student body should stop going and the school should be shut down. You could use the example of Boy Scouts, police officers, social workers.
We don't even have to be defenders of Catholicism to see that doesn't make a lot of sense. Fine, don't be Catholic because you don't believe. But to suggest the church should disband is bizarre.
And less sense if you are talking about parishes 5 states away in the US. So the millions of Catholics in South America should leave their church?
We are talking members in the billions.

My son is old enough for Boy Scouts. He's not joining as we hate their stance on gays. enough about that one and so much for their "Duty to God"

I can have control over my children in their public school. I've taught them about stranger danger and they know never to stay alone with with a teacher, and if that's the case, sit by an open door where people can see you. I can step into the PTA and make my points known. I can email the teachers and administrators. I can participate as a parent - AND as an educator myself. I am part of the community.

When you enter a church, however, you don't expect your leader, a representative of God, to molest your child. It's using religion to lure children into someone's sick world. Yes, people in education have done it. neighbors, funny uncles, coaches - I get it.

But to indoctrinate a child into a religion - to fill his/her head with beliefs that some supernatural being will take care of you during and after life - and THEN to see that child raped (innocence gone) is the most hypocritical and sick situation ever. What do you say to a child after that? "Father Peter is sorry for what he's done to you. Please forgive him."

And yes, I'd expect people to walk away, and many have. I've had very devout friends leave the church b/c they were so disgusted by it all. I can't imagine returning - especially IF it happened to a child in my congregation. This was (and still is) an international problem.

I don't understand how anyone can have faith in the LEADERS who have excused this sick behavior. These are men of God! Such a great God to allow child rape to be part of a religious institution, eh? Bravo, God!

Your adamant insistence that children are more in danger at a Catholic institution than a non-Catholic one despite no actual knowledge of the relevant statistics is frustrating. I would ask you to please research first and then form a conclusion. If you can't be bothered to do that, then at the very least have the common courtesy to stop hijacking threads about completely unrelated issues.

You want data? I'll give you data.

UN Vatican representative, Archbishop Silvano Tomasi - 2009:

“Available research,” he said, showed that “only 1.5 percent to 5 percent” of Catholic clergy were involved in abuse and that it would “be more correct” to speak of ephebophilia, a homosexual attraction to adolescent males, rather than pedophilia as the cause.

“Of all priests involved in the abuses, 80 to 90 percent belong to this sexual orientation minority, which is sexually engaged with adolescent boys between the ages of 11 and 17.”

So not only did the archbishop DEFEND these sick fucks, he also lumped gays into the mix.

And this isn't institutionalized child rape?
- up to 3000 priests dating back over 50 years ago - raping children as young as three
- over 10,000 children under 18 raped btw 1950 and 2002
- 81% male - which I suppose Tomasi lumps under ephebophilia, eh?
-80% of the allegations were substantiated!

Do you want more, or is that enough for you?

Keep them coming, folks! But you'll only look foolish b/c every single time you defend the church, you defend men (and women) of God who have ruined children's lives.

Who are you sick animals to defend such a vile institution?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many beautiful things about the Catholic church and some people are able to see them and stay with the church and not be bothered very much, if at all, by pedophilia cover-ups or anything else negative that the church has done, or will do.

These people of deep faith are hard to understand by people who seem to have lost the gift of faith, or who have shut it or thrown it away.

Perhaps if people who have given up on their faith spent more time in Church, their faith would return. Why not give it a try?

If a priest raped your child, would you return to the church?

If the answer is no, then you're a fucking hypocrite like the rest.

When you support the church, you approve of the way they handled the cover up. And your Cardinal's Appeal $$$, did just that by making their lives comfortable.

I guess your first point is what I don't understand the logic behind. If a teacher in another school raped a student, you would have to pull your child from school? Let's even say it is a private school where the rape occurred, since then you would have a choice and are actively paying versus a public school pay it taxes and less of a choice due to school boundaries. I'm not sure if that logic follows that the entire student body should stop going and the school should be shut down. You could use the example of Boy Scouts, police officers, social workers.
We don't even have to be defenders of Catholicism to see that doesn't make a lot of sense. Fine, don't be Catholic because you don't believe. But to suggest the church should disband is bizarre.
And less sense if you are talking about parishes 5 states away in the US. So the millions of Catholics in South America should leave their church?
We are talking members in the billions.

My son is old enough for Boy Scouts. He's not joining as we hate their stance on gays. enough about that one and so much for their "Duty to God"

I can have control over my children in their public school. I've taught them about stranger danger and they know never to stay alone with with a teacher, and if that's the case, sit by an open door where people can see you. I can step into the PTA and make my points known. I can email the teachers and administrators. I can participate as a parent - AND as an educator myself. I am part of the community.

When you enter a church, however, you don't expect your leader, a representative of God, to molest your child. It's using religion to lure children into someone's sick world. Yes, people in education have done it. neighbors, funny uncles, coaches - I get it.

But to indoctrinate a child into a religion - to fill his/her head with beliefs that some supernatural being will take care of you during and after life - and THEN to see that child raped (innocence gone) is the most hypocritical and sick situation ever. What do you say to a child after that? "Father Peter is sorry for what he's done to you. Please forgive him."

And yes, I'd expect people to walk away, and many have. I've had very devout friends leave the church b/c they were so disgusted by it all. I can't imagine returning - especially IF it happened to a child in my congregation. This was (and still is) an international problem.

I don't understand how anyone can have faith in the LEADERS who have excused this sick behavior. These are men of God! Such a great God to allow child rape to be part of a religious institution, eh? Bravo, God!

Your adamant insistence that children are more in danger at a Catholic institution than a non-Catholic one despite no actual knowledge of the relevant statistics is frustrating. I would ask you to please research first and then form a conclusion. If you can't be bothered to do that, then at the very least have the common courtesy to stop hijacking threads about completely unrelated issues.

You want data? I'll give you data.

UN Vatican representative, Archbishop Silvano Tomasi - 2009:

“Available research,” he said, showed that “only 1.5 percent to 5 percent” of Catholic clergy were involved in abuse and that it would “be more correct” to speak of ephebophilia, a homosexual attraction to adolescent males, rather than pedophilia as the cause.

“Of all priests involved in the abuses, 80 to 90 percent belong to this sexual orientation minority, which is sexually engaged with adolescent boys between the ages of 11 and 17.”

So not only did the archbishop DEFEND these sick fucks, he also lumped gays into the mix.

And this isn't institutionalized child rape?
- up to 3000 priests dating back over 50 years ago - raping children as young as three
- over 10,000 children under 18 raped btw 1950 and 2002
- 81% male - which I suppose Tomasi lumps under ephebophilia, eh?
-80% of the allegations were substantiated!

Do you want more, or is that enough for you?

Keep them coming, folks! But you'll only look foolish b/c every single time you defend the church, you defend men (and women) of God who have ruined children's lives.

Who are you sick animals to defend such a vile institution?

Bigot: bigotplay
noun big·ot \?bi-g?t\
Simple Definition of bigot
Popularity: Top 1% of lookups
: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

That would be you, PP. You make sweeping generalizations about a whole group of people. Says more about your own sickness than about the PP you're attacking.

Signed, not a Catholic myself

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many beautiful things about the Catholic church and some people are able to see them and stay with the church and not be bothered very much, if at all, by pedophilia cover-ups or anything else negative that the church has done, or will do.

These people of deep faith are hard to understand by people who seem to have lost the gift of faith, or who have shut it or thrown it away.

Perhaps if people who have given up on their faith spent more time in Church, their faith would return. Why not give it a try?

If a priest raped your child, would you return to the church?

If the answer is no, then you're a fucking hypocrite like the rest.

When you support the church, you approve of the way they handled the cover up. And your Cardinal's Appeal $$$, did just that by making their lives comfortable.

I guess your first point is what I don't understand the logic behind. If a teacher in another school raped a student, you would have to pull your child from school? Let's even say it is a private school where the rape occurred, since then you would have a choice and are actively paying versus a public school pay it taxes and less of a choice due to school boundaries. I'm not sure if that logic follows that the entire student body should stop going and the school should be shut down. You could use the example of Boy Scouts, police officers, social workers.
We don't even have to be defenders of Catholicism to see that doesn't make a lot of sense. Fine, don't be Catholic because you don't believe. But to suggest the church should disband is bizarre.
And less sense if you are talking about parishes 5 states away in the US. So the millions of Catholics in South America should leave their church?
We are talking members in the billions.

My son is old enough for Boy Scouts. He's not joining as we hate their stance on gays. enough about that one and so much for their "Duty to God"

I can have control over my children in their public school. I've taught them about stranger danger and they know never to stay alone with with a teacher, and if that's the case, sit by an open door where people can see you. I can step into the PTA and make my points known. I can email the teachers and administrators. I can participate as a parent - AND as an educator myself. I am part of the community.

When you enter a church, however, you don't expect your leader, a representative of God, to molest your child. It's using religion to lure children into someone's sick world. Yes, people in education have done it. neighbors, funny uncles, coaches - I get it.

But to indoctrinate a child into a religion - to fill his/her head with beliefs that some supernatural being will take care of you during and after life - and THEN to see that child raped (innocence gone) is the most hypocritical and sick situation ever. What do you say to a child after that? "Father Peter is sorry for what he's done to you. Please forgive him."

And yes, I'd expect people to walk away, and many have. I've had very devout friends leave the church b/c they were so disgusted by it all. I can't imagine returning - especially IF it happened to a child in my congregation. This was (and still is) an international problem.

I don't understand how anyone can have faith in the LEADERS who have excused this sick behavior. These are men of God! Such a great God to allow child rape to be part of a religious institution, eh? Bravo, God!

Your adamant insistence that children are more in danger at a Catholic institution than a non-Catholic one despite no actual knowledge of the relevant statistics is frustrating. I would ask you to please research first and then form a conclusion. If you can't be bothered to do that, then at the very least have the common courtesy to stop hijacking threads about completely unrelated issues.

You want data? I'll give you data.

UN Vatican representative, Archbishop Silvano Tomasi - 2009:

“Available research,” he said, showed that “only 1.5 percent to 5 percent” of Catholic clergy were involved in abuse and that it would “be more correct” to speak of ephebophilia, a homosexual attraction to adolescent males, rather than pedophilia as the cause.

“Of all priests involved in the abuses, 80 to 90 percent belong to this sexual orientation minority, which is sexually engaged with adolescent boys between the ages of 11 and 17.”

So not only did the archbishop DEFEND these sick fucks, he also lumped gays into the mix.

And this isn't institutionalized child rape?
- up to 3000 priests dating back over 50 years ago - raping children as young as three
- over 10,000 children under 18 raped btw 1950 and 2002
- 81% male - which I suppose Tomasi lumps under ephebophilia, eh?
-80% of the allegations were substantiated!

Do you want more, or is that enough for you?

Keep them coming, folks! But you'll only look foolish b/c every single time you defend the church, you defend men (and women) of God who have ruined children's lives.

Who are you sick animals to defend such a vile institution?

Bigot: bigotplay
noun big·ot \?bi-g?t\
Simple Definition of bigot
Popularity: Top 1% of lookups
: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

That would be you, PP. You make sweeping generalizations about a whole group of people. Says more about your own sickness than about the PP you're attacking.

Signed, not a Catholic myself

?? pp provided data, not generalizations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Bigot: bigotplay
noun big·ot \?bi-g?t\
Simple Definition of bigot
Popularity: Top 1% of lookups
: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

That would be you, PP. You make sweeping generalizations about a whole group of people. Says more about your own sickness than about the PP you're attacking.

Signed, not a Catholic myself

?? pp provided data, not generalizations.

BS, and don't be deliberately obtuse.

You're blinded by your hatred. So blinded that you can't distinguish the bad from the charity and good her church also performs in the world. So blinded that you can't distinguish between the offending priests and the much greater body of individual Catholic Church members like PP.

You embody the very definition of bigotry. You are indeed making sweeping generalizations, about PP and all the other members of her church.

Your sort of blind hatred has been responsible for much evil in the world, too. Nobody is excusing those several thousand priests. But you need to stop indulging your need to spew hate. Instead you need to reflect on the terrible things that blind hatreds like yours have wreaked in the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Bigot: bigotplay
noun big·ot \?bi-g?t\
Simple Definition of bigot
Popularity: Top 1% of lookups
: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

That would be you, PP. You make sweeping generalizations about a whole group of people. Says more about your own sickness than about the PP you're attacking.

Signed, not a Catholic myself

?? pp provided data, not generalizations.

BS, and don't be deliberately obtuse.

You're blinded by your hatred. So blinded that you can't distinguish the bad from the charity and good her church also performs in the world. So blinded that you can't distinguish between the offending priests and the much greater body of individual Catholic Church members like PP.

You embody the very definition of bigotry. You are indeed making sweeping generalizations, about PP and all the other members of her church.

Your sort of blind hatred has been responsible for much evil in the world, too. Nobody is excusing those several thousand priests. But you need to stop indulging your need to spew hate. Instead you need to reflect on the terrible things that blind hatreds like yours have wreaked in the world.

Freud called this projection

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Bigot: bigotplay
noun big·ot \?bi-g?t\
Simple Definition of bigot
Popularity: Top 1% of lookups
: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

That would be you, PP. You make sweeping generalizations about a whole group of people. Says more about your own sickness than about the PP you're attacking.

Signed, not a Catholic myself

?? pp provided data, not generalizations.

BS, and don't be deliberately obtuse.

You're blinded by your hatred. So blinded that you can't distinguish the bad from the charity and good her church also performs in the world. So blinded that you can't distinguish between the offending priests and the much greater body of individual Catholic Church members like PP.

You embody the very definition of bigotry. You are indeed making sweeping generalizations, about PP and all the other members of her church.

Your sort of blind hatred has been responsible for much evil in the world, too. Nobody is excusing those several thousand priests. But you need to stop indulging your need to spew hate. Instead you need to reflect on the terrible things that blind hatreds like yours have wreaked in the world.

Freud called this projection

Freud wouldn't have called that particular post projection. As a Jew, he would have recognized the anti-Catholic bigot's obvious capacity for fascism and hate crimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Bigot: bigotplay
noun big·ot \?bi-g?t\
Simple Definition of bigot
Popularity: Top 1% of lookups
: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

That would be you, PP. You make sweeping generalizations about a whole group of people. Says more about your own sickness than about the PP you're attacking.

Signed, not a Catholic myself

?? pp provided data, not generalizations.

BS, and don't be deliberately obtuse.

You're blinded by your hatred. So blinded that you can't distinguish the bad from the charity and good her church also performs in the world. So blinded that you can't distinguish between the offending priests and the much greater body of individual Catholic Church members like PP.

You embody the very definition of bigotry. You are indeed making sweeping generalizations, about PP and all the other members of her church.

Your sort of blind hatred has been responsible for much evil in the world, too. Nobody is excusing those several thousand priests. But you need to stop indulging your need to spew hate. Instead you need to reflect on the terrible things that blind hatreds like yours have wreaked in the world.

Freud called this projection

Freud wouldn't have called that particular post projection. As a Jew, he would have recognized the anti-Catholic bigot's obvious capacity for fascism and hate crimes.

As a physician and psychoanalyst, Freud would be careful not to diagnose criminal behavior over the internet (had there been an internet).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many beautiful things about the Catholic church and some people are able to see them and stay with the church and not be bothered very much, if at all, by pedophilia cover-ups or anything else negative that the church has done, or will do.

These people of deep faith are hard to understand by people who seem to have lost the gift of faith, or who have shut it or thrown it away.

Perhaps if people who have given up on their faith spent more time in Church, their faith would return. Why not give it a try?

If a priest raped your child, would you return to the church?

If the answer is no, then you're a fucking hypocrite like the rest.

When you support the church, you approve of the way they handled the cover up. And your Cardinal's Appeal $$$, did just that by making their lives comfortable.

My cousin was raped by a priest and the parish priest spoke out against my aunt and uncle in church. I have seen the worst of this scandal and its cover up. I am still a faithful Catholic because I realize that not all priests are evil. Just as I have seen the worst, I have seen many amazing priests who truly live up to their calling to be faithful, honest and good men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why pay to worship something that's unseen?

It boggles my mind. Here, God, whom I've never seen. Take $20 this week so that I can enter heaven.

You aren't paying to worship. If that were the case, you would have to buy a ticket at the door.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why pay to worship something that's unseen?

It boggles my mind. Here, God, whom I've never seen. Take $20 this week so that I can enter heaven.

You aren't paying to worship. If that were the case, you would have to buy a ticket at the door.

Right, they let you in for free and send a basket around during the service. Or these days, you can sign up on the internet and the money is removed seamlessly from your bank account on a regular basis, so you can miss Mass and still pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many beautiful things about the Catholic church and some people are able to see them and stay with the church and not be bothered very much, if at all, by pedophilia cover-ups or anything else negative that the church has done, or will do.

These people of deep faith are hard to understand by people who seem to have lost the gift of faith, or who have shut it or thrown it away.

Perhaps if people who have given up on their faith spent more time in Church, their faith would return. Why not give it a try?

If a priest raped your child, would you return to the church?

If the answer is no, then you're a fucking hypocrite like the rest.

When you support the church, you approve of the way they handled the cover up. And your Cardinal's Appeal $$$, did just that by making their lives comfortable.

My cousin was raped by a priest and the parish priest spoke out against my aunt and uncle in church. I have seen the worst of this scandal and its cover up. I am still a faithful Catholic because I realize that not all priests are evil. Just as I have seen the worst, I have seen many amazing priests who truly live up to their calling to be faithful, honest and good men.

So you're saying that because not all prests are rapists you'll continue to support the institution that covered up the pedophile scandal at the highest levels?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why pay to worship something that's unseen?

It boggles my mind. Here, God, whom I've never seen. Take $20 this week so that I can enter heaven.

You aren't paying to worship. If that were the case, you would have to buy a ticket at the door.

Right, they let you in for free and send a basket around during the service. Or these days, you can sign up on the internet and the money is removed seamlessly from your bank account on a regular basis, so you can miss Mass and still pay.

You have zero familiarity with how churches work. No, you can put nothing in the plate (and the people on the pew next to you will assume you pay over the Internet and not think anything less of you). No goon at the door shakes people down for their bank account numbers. Stop being so dramatic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why pay to worship something that's unseen?

It boggles my mind. Here, God, whom I've never seen. Take $20 this week so that I can enter heaven.

You aren't paying to worship. If that were the case, you would have to buy a ticket at the door.

Right, they let you in for free and send a basket around during the service. Or these days, you can sign up on the internet and the money is removed seamlessly from your bank account on a regular basis, so you can miss Mass and still pay.

Have to keep those contributions up - the Catholic Legal Defense fund needs the $$$$$

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Bigot: bigotplay
noun big·ot \?bi-g?t\
Simple Definition of bigot
Popularity: Top 1% of lookups
: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

That would be you, PP. You make sweeping generalizations about a whole group of people. Says more about your own sickness than about the PP you're attacking.

Signed, not a Catholic myself

?? pp provided data, not generalizations.

BS, and don't be deliberately obtuse.

You're blinded by your hatred. So blinded that you can't distinguish the bad from the charity and good her church also performs in the world. So blinded that you can't distinguish between the offending priests and the much greater body of individual Catholic Church members like PP.

You embody the very definition of bigotry. You are indeed making sweeping generalizations, about PP and all the other members of her church.

Your sort of blind hatred has been responsible for much evil in the world, too. Nobody is excusing those several thousand priests. But you need to stop indulging your need to spew hate. Instead you need to reflect on the terrible things that blind hatreds like yours have wreaked in the world.

Freud called this projection

Freud wouldn't have called that particular post projection. As a Jew, he would have recognized the anti-Catholic bigot's obvious capacity for fascism and hate crimes.

As a physician and psychoanalyst, Freud would be careful not to diagnose criminal behavior over the internet (had there been an internet).

I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school from K-12. For whatever reason, when you call out the RCC for bad behavior, you get called a bigot.