Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0

This is very illumination. Can anyone explain how Carson does i?
BTW, DC’s elementary school AAP class sent some kids to Carson and some to Hughes. Sometimes the difference was a matter of one or two blocks. So really Carson/Hughes had 116.

You do know that 88 and 18 does not equal 116, right, and that many Carson students admitted to TJ live in Oakton and Fairfax, not Herndon?

Ha ha. Thanks. I did that in my head. Obviously not TJ material. Carson is located in Herndon and it pulls from Oakton, Herndon, Reston - not sure what you mean by “Fairfax.”

There are no Oakton kids at Carson. There are Chantilly address kids.

Also wrong. Waples Mill goes to Carson for AAP and has lots of Oakton kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0

This is very illumination. Can anyone explain how Carson does i?
BTW, DC’s elementary school AAP class sent some kids to Carson and some to Hughes. Sometimes the difference was a matter of one or two blocks. So really Carson/Hughes had 116.

You do know that 88 and 18 does not equal 116, right, and that many Carson students admitted to TJ live in Oakton and Fairfax, not Herndon?

Ha ha. Thanks. I did that in my head. Obviously not TJ material. Carson is located in Herndon and it pulls from Oakton, Herndon, Reston - not sure what you mean by “Fairfax.”

There are no Oakton kids at Carson. There are Chantilly address kids.

No Oakton HS kids? Well that’s just wrong. DC went to Carson AAP and would have gone to Oakton; kid a couple of houses down went to Carson AAP and is now at Oakton.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0

This is very illumination. Can anyone explain how Carson does i?
BTW, DC’s elementary school AAP class sent some kids to Carson and some to Hughes. Sometimes the difference was a matter of one or two blocks. So really Carson/Hughes had 116.

You do know that 88 and 18 does not equal 116, right, and that many Carson students admitted to TJ live in Oakton and Fairfax, not Herndon?

Ha ha. Thanks. I did that in my head. Obviously not TJ material. Carson is located in Herndon and it pulls from Oakton, Herndon, Reston - not sure what you mean by “Fairfax.”

There are no Oakton kids at Carson. There are Chantilly address kids.

Also wrong. Waples Mill goes to Carson for AAP and has lots of Oakton kids.

This is right. The PP who said there are no Carson kids at Oakton is just wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0

This is very illumination. Can anyone explain how Carson does i?
BTW, DC’s elementary school AAP class sent some kids to Carson and some to Hughes. Sometimes the difference was a matter of one or two blocks. So really Carson/Hughes had 116.

You do know that 88 and 18 does not equal 116, right, and that many Carson students admitted to TJ live in Oakton and Fairfax, not Herndon?

Ha ha. Thanks. I did that in my head. Obviously not TJ material. Carson is located in Herndon and it pulls from Oakton, Herndon, Reston - not sure what you mean by “Fairfax.”

I mean its AAP center pulls from Fairfax addresses (many areas zoned for Navy and Waples Mill are in Fairfax), not just Herndon, Reston and Oakton.

Also, much of Lees Corner and some of Crossfield is from Fairfax. So, again, it's bogus to equate Carson/Hughes to "Herndon/Reston."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0

I'm not saying that Carson and Longfellow aren't sending a lot of kids to TJ, but these raw statistics over-credit the feeder schools that are large and under-credit the schools that have a smaller AAP program. Twain has 100 AAP kids per grade. They have 12 at TJ. Other MS on this list have 200-400 students per AAP grade. Of course, they are going to have more. The defining statistic would be the percent of kids admitted. That's the fair comparison.

So by your logic, Carson, w/400 AAP kids/grade should send 48 kids to TJ. Last year, they sent almost twice that.

There is no "should" involved here.... in my logic, genius. It's simple statistics. If there are 400 AAP kids in a grade at Carson, and 88 were admitted to TJ, then the admit rate is 88/400 = 22%. If there are only 100 kids in an AAP grade at Twain or wherever, and they had 12 kids admitted, then the admit rate is 12%.

22% vs. 12% is significantly different than comparing 88 to 12. The former allows a legitimate comparison on the number of kids getting into TJ. The latter makes it look like Carson is 7 times better at getting kids admitted. Not true. Hughes had 18 kids admitted, but they also have about 100 kids in each AAP grade. So their rate is roughly 18%. Compare that to Carson(22%) --- a lot closer than the raw numbers would suggest.

[Anonymous]

Frost has about 150 AAP kids per grade... their admit rate is 14%,

Lake Braddock has 190 AAP kids per grade... but the admit rate is 10%

The raw numbers tell a misleading story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Frost has about 150 AAP kids per grade... their admit rate is 14%,

Lake Braddock has 190 AAP kids per grade... but the admit rate is 10%

The raw numbers tell a misleading story.

So what’s Carson’s rate?

[Anonymous]

Rocky Run has 300 kids per AAP grade... admit rate of 15%

Longfellow has about 260 kids per AAP grade... with 66 kids being admitted, that a rate of 25% === so better than Carson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Frost has about 150 AAP kids per grade... their admit rate is 14%,

Lake Braddock has 190 AAP kids per grade... but the admit rate is 10%

The raw numbers tell a misleading story.

You guys should stop using the word "misleading" whenever something doesn't fit your preferred narrative. It's ironic that, in a thread that in part is about a STEM school, you'd find numbers threatening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Frost has about 150 AAP kids per grade... their admit rate is 14%,

Lake Braddock has 190 AAP kids per grade... but the admit rate is 10%

The raw numbers tell a misleading story.

So what’s Carson’s rate?

Someone said Carson has 400 AAP kids per grade. Don't know if that is true. If it is, then the rate is 22%. FCPS says there are about 330 kids per grade (AAP), so if that is correct, then the rate is 26%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rocky Run has 300 kids per AAP grade... admit rate of 15%

Longfellow has about 260 kids per AAP grade... with 66 kids being admitted, that a rate of 25% === so better than Carson.

It may be a higher admit rate, and it might mean some kids were discouraged from applying, which might not be a good thing. "Better" is not the right word here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Frost has about 150 AAP kids per grade... their admit rate is 14%,

Lake Braddock has 190 AAP kids per grade... but the admit rate is 10%

The raw numbers tell a misleading story.

You guys should stop using the word "misleading" whenever something doesn't fit your preferred narrative. It's ironic that, in a thread that in part is about a STEM school, you'd find numbers threatening.

Not threatening... just misleading. The raw numbers were being used to conclude that certain schools are better than others. That may be true, but not to the extent that the raw numbers suggest. That IS misleading. Not threatened at all. I just like statistical honesty.... your school probably still beats mine... but not by as much as you like to think!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rocky Run has 300 kids per AAP grade... admit rate of 15%

Longfellow has about 260 kids per AAP grade... with 66 kids being admitted, that a rate of 25% === so better than Carson.

It may be a higher admit rate, and it might mean some kids were discouraged from applying, which might not be a good thing. "Better" is not the right word here.

By better, I just meant that the rate was higher, i.e. better. Not that one school was "better" than the other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frost has about 150 AAP kids per grade... their admit rate is 14%,

Lake Braddock has 190 AAP kids per grade... but the admit rate is 10%

The raw numbers tell a misleading story.

So what’s Carson’s rate?

Someone said Carson has 400 AAP kids per grade. Don't know if that is true. If it is, then the rate is 22%. FCPS says there are about 330 kids per grade (AAP), so if that is correct, then the rate is 26%.

It's not true. Carson has about 330 AAP students per grade, equally divided between areas that have Carson and Franklin as the base MS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frost has about 150 AAP kids per grade... their admit rate is 14%,

Lake Braddock has 190 AAP kids per grade... but the admit rate is 10%

The raw numbers tell a misleading story.

You guys should stop using the word "misleading" whenever something doesn't fit your preferred narrative. It's ironic that, in a thread that in part is about a STEM school, you'd find numbers threatening.

Not threatening... just misleading. The raw numbers were being used to conclude that certain schools are better than others. That may be true, but not to the extent that the raw numbers suggest. That IS misleading. Not threatened at all. I just like statistical honesty.... your school probably still beats mine... but not by as much as you like to think!

I wouldn't go by numbers of kids in each grade, I would only consider the number of kids who actually applied and then the percentage of that number that were accepted. Not every kid in the grade is necessarily interested in STEM, so not every kid would apply.