Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymousquote wrote:

being “smarter” doesn’t get you into TJ. It helps, yes but it is not enough.
Want the best predictor?
ethnicity/AAP center.
The AAP centres with the most Asians get the most kids into TJ.
And don’t minimise parental ambition on this score. There are prep classes I know of in western part of the county where 5th graders are being prepped for the TJ exam. Most of the attendees are Indian and Korean.
In fact, smart white kids are increasingly saying fuck it; whites application to TJ have dropped noticeably in recent years.

Agreed. All of this. It starts in the AAP centers. Look at a typical class of third graders. Predominantly Asian. We are back to (hate to use this word) segregation. FCPS loves to proclaim and promote diversity but look at what isn't diverse: AAP education. TJ in no way reflects diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymousquote wrote:

being “smarter” doesn’t get you into TJ. It helps, yes but it is not enough.
Want the best predictor?
ethnicity/AAP center.
The AAP centres with the most Asians get the most kids into TJ.
And don’t minimise parental ambition on this score. There are prep classes I know of in western part of the county where 5th graders are being prepped for the TJ exam. Most of the attendees are Indian and Korean.
In fact, smart white kids are increasingly saying fuck it; whites application to TJ have dropped noticeably in recent years.

Agreed. All of this. It starts in the AAP centers. Look at a typical class of third graders. Predominantly Asian. We are back to (hate to use this word) segregation. FCPS loves to proclaim and promote diversity but look at what isn't diverse: AAP education. TJ in no way reflects diversity.

This depends on where in the county you child attends school. Our Oakton/Vienna Center is more than 50% white. Chantilly? Probably less so. As for TJ, let's be fair. The Asian kids are usually that ones putting in years of work to get in. At DC's MS, there are Asian kids that have been doing 4 hours of prep every Sunday since 3rd grade. They have out worked my white DC, which is fine-- that level of prep is not consistent with our family's values and I, personally don't think it's healthy. But I'm not going to say that the Asian kids who will beat my child out for a spot don't deserve to be there-- they've worked very hard for years. And any white kid who put that much time & energy in for that long would have an equal chance of admission. Why shouldn't TJ be admitting the kids who work the hardest to get there. IRL, the lawyers who work 80 hour weeks make partner, and the residents who are at the hospital 100 hours a week become surgeons. You make not like it or think it's right for an8-13 year old child (I don't) but sweat equity is a part of life b

[Anonymous]

^ the last two posts explain well who is going to TJ and why. The base schools data in the OP has little to do with it. Just a correlation without much meaning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would love to see it by base elementary school.

That's all we need. Then we'd have all the crazies pushing even more to get their kids into certain elementary schools under the misguided impression that this is the path to TJ. ELEMENTARY SCHOOL does not matter!

[Anonymous]

Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ the last two posts explain well who is going to TJ and why. The base schools data in the OP has little to do with it. Just a correlation without much meaning.

No, it tells you a lot. You just don't know what it means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0

Thank-you. Far more pertinent and predictive than what HS the TJ’ers would have attended if they didn’t get intoTJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ the last two posts explain well who is going to TJ and why. The base schools data in the OP has little to do with it. Just a correlation without much meaning.

No, it tells you a lot. You just don't know what it means.

well go ahead and humour me and give it (another) shot. What does it tell you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0

This is very illumination. Can anyone explain how Carson does i?
BTW, DC’s elementary school AAP class sent some kids to Carson and some to Hughes. Sometimes the difference was a matter of one or two blocks. So really Carson/Hughes had 116.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0

This is very illumination. Can anyone explain how Carson does i?
BTW, DC’s elementary school AAP class sent some kids to Carson and some to Hughes. Sometimes the difference was a matter of one or two blocks. So really Carson/Hughes had 116.

illuminating

[Anonymous]

Also useful are the numbers that show how many applied and how many accepted. Interesting to see the percentages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ the last two posts explain well who is going to TJ and why. The base schools data in the OP has little to do with it. Just a correlation without much meaning.

No, it tells you a lot. You just don't know what it means.

well go ahead and humour me and give it (another) shot. What does it tell you?

The breakdown by HS data tells you more about where the students who attend TJ actually live and how those high schools are impacted by the loss of students to TJ.

The MS data is more informative if all you want to check is which AAP centers send the most kids to TJ. The size of the MS AAP centers, however, varies considerably, since some areas have higher concentrations of AAP kids than others and there is more capacity for an AAP center at some schools than others. Here's roughly how many ES send their AAP kids to the MS centers:

South County 5
Longfellow 7.5
Carson 9
Kilmer 9.5
Glasgow 10
Frost 11
Hughes 12.5
Sandburg 14
Twain 14
Jackson 14.5
Lake Braddock 16
Rocky Run 17

So you'd expect Rocky Run to send a lot of kids to TJ, which it does, but buying into an area that has Rocky Run as its AAP center doesn't, by itself, tell you much. On the other hand, Carson and Longfellow are the two other biggest feeders to TJ, yet they pull from a much smaller number of elementary schools. So that gives you a somewhat stronger signal.

[Anonymous]

I guess the high schools are impacted by the “loss” just the same way a non-AAP elementary school or middle school is impacted when a kid from that school zone gets into an AAP centre.
If DC didn’t get into Carson DC would have gone to Franklin MS. Carson sent like 88 to TJ, Franklin maybe 3 or 4. All from the exact same area, so I still don’t see what your address has to do with anything.

[Anonymous]

Langley and McLean are "wealthy.”
Reston/Herndon is not wealthy. But the area gets more kids into TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Langley and McLean are "wealthy.”
Reston/Herndon is not wealthy. But the area gets more kids into TJ.

That's factually incorrect.