Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen a breakdown by MS of number of kids who apply to TJ, number who make it through the first round, and number admitted, but I can't remember where. Does anyone have those numbers?


Here you go. Knock yourself out parsing the number s of applied vs. semi finalists vs accepted...

http://thebullelephant.com/fairfax-middle-schools-send-students-tjhsst/


Here you go-- % of kids who applied that were admitted:

Carson 35%
RR 31%
Longfellow: 32.5%
Kilmer: 19%
Front: 21.6%
LBSS: 16.8%
Jackson: 16.2%
Twain: 13.5%

Which means Carson, RR and Longfellow are far and away better at sending their kids to TJ than the other FCPS MSs/


Right. So now explain to me what difference it makes how many kids at TJ live in Langley and McLean? Which I think was OP’s original reason for starting the thread.


Because Langely is THE BEST. At all things. Clearly. (And even though Rocky Run and Carson are adjacent to each other).


You don't need to be so whiny. It's no wonder FCPS hasn't released this data before. Some people take it as such a personal affront, when it's just some interesting numbers.

Anyway, Carson isn't "adjacent" to Rocky Run, as Franklin is closer to both schools than they are to each other. The distance between Carson and Rocky Run is actually the same as that between Kilmer and Longfellow (slightly over four miles).


Ookkaayy, let's try a more technical rephrase. Since Franklin based kids go to Carson for AAP, Carson and RR are adjacent middle schoolAAP attendance zones. Is that better?
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Anonymous wrote:I have seen a breakdown by MS of number of kids who apply to TJ, number who make it through the first round, and number admitted, but I can't remember where. Does anyone have those numbers?


Here you go. Knock yourself out parsing the number s of applied vs. semi finalists vs accepted...

http://thebullelephant.com/fairfax-middle-schools-send-students-tjhsst/


Here you go-- % of kids who applied that were admitted:

Carson 35%
RR 31%
Longfellow: 32.5%
Kilmer: 19%
Front: 21.6%
LBSS: 16.8%
Jackson: 16.2%
Twain: 13.5%

Which means Carson, RR and Longfellow are far and away better at sending their kids to TJ than the other FCPS MSs/


Right. So now explain to me what difference it makes how many kids at TJ live in Langley and McLean? Which I think was OP’s original reason for starting the thread.


Because Langely is THE BEST. At all things. Clearly. (And even though Rocky Run and Carson are adjacent to each other).


You don't need to be so whiny. It's no wonder FCPS hasn't released this data before. Some people take it as such a personal affront, when it's just some interesting numbers.

Anyway, Carson isn't "adjacent" to Rocky Run, as Franklin is closer to both schools than they are to each other. The distance between Carson and Rocky Run is actually the same as that between Kilmer and Longfellow (slightly over four miles).


FCPS does release pupil placement data & the TJ middle school feeder data every year. FCPS is a public school system in a FOIA world, so this not exactly classified material. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it's not out there.
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No surprise, really, that the largest cohorts of TJ students would live in the Langley/McLean areas, is there?
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Anonymous wrote:No surprise, really, that the largest cohorts of TJ students would live in the Langley/McLean areas, is there?


It would be, if that were true. But Rocky Run + Carson, which serve the western part of the County send significantly more kids than Longfellow + Kilmer.
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Anonymous wrote:I have seen a breakdown by MS of number of kids who apply to TJ, number who make it through the first round, and number admitted, but I can't remember where. Does anyone have those numbers?


Here you go. Knock yourself out parsing the number s of applied vs. semi finalists vs accepted...

http://thebullelephant.com/fairfax-middle-schools-send-students-tjhsst/


Here you go-- % of kids who applied that were admitted:

Carson 35%
RR 31%
Longfellow: 32.5%
Kilmer: 19%
Front: 21.6%
LBSS: 16.8%
Jackson: 16.2%
Twain: 13.5%

Which means Carson, RR and Longfellow are far and away better at sending their kids to TJ than the other FCPS MSs/


Right. So now explain to me what difference it makes how many kids at TJ live in Langley and McLean? Which I think was OP’s original reason for starting the thread.


Because Langely is THE BEST. At all things. Clearly. (And even though Rocky Run and Carson are adjacent to each other).


You don't need to be so whiny. It's no wonder FCPS hasn't released this data before. Some people take it as such a personal affront, when it's just some interesting numbers.

Anyway, Carson isn't "adjacent" to Rocky Run, as Franklin is closer to both schools than they are to each other. The distance between Carson and Rocky Run is actually the same as that between Kilmer and Longfellow (slightly over four miles).


Ookkaayy, let's try a more technical rephrase. Since Franklin based kids go to Carson for AAP, Carson and RR are adjacent middle schoolAAP attendance zones. Is that better?


It's a different statement that doesn't change the inaccuracy of what you said before. Hughes and South Lakes are "adjacent," but Carson and Rocky Run are not.
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Anonymous wrote:I have seen a breakdown by MS of number of kids who apply to TJ, number who make it through the first round, and number admitted, but I can't remember where. Does anyone have those numbers?


Here you go. Knock yourself out parsing the number s of applied vs. semi finalists vs accepted...

http://thebullelephant.com/fairfax-middle-schools-send-students-tjhsst/


Here you go-- % of kids who applied that were admitted:

Carson 35%
RR 31%
Longfellow: 32.5%
Kilmer: 19%
Front: 21.6%
LBSS: 16.8%
Jackson: 16.2%
Twain: 13.5%

Which means Carson, RR and Longfellow are far and away better at sending their kids to TJ than the other FCPS MSs/


Right. So now explain to me what difference it makes how many kids at TJ live in Langley and McLean? Which I think was OP’s original reason for starting the thread.


Because Langely is THE BEST. At all things. Clearly. (And even though Rocky Run and Carson are adjacent to each other).


You don't need to be so whiny. It's no wonder FCPS hasn't released this data before. Some people take it as such a personal affront, when it's just some interesting numbers.

Anyway, Carson isn't "adjacent" to Rocky Run, as Franklin is closer to both schools than they are to each other. The distance between Carson and Rocky Run is actually the same as that between Kilmer and Longfellow (slightly over four miles).


FCPS does release pupil placement data & the TJ middle school feeder data every year. FCPS is a public school system in a FOIA world, so this not exactly classified material. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it's not out there.


Can you point to FCPS having assembled and made this data (TJ attendance broken down by base high school assignment) publicly available before? Have you obtained it in response to a FOIA request (I have not, but then I wouldn't pay for it, either)? If not, you are just speculating and should put a lid on it.
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Anonymous wrote:I have seen a breakdown by MS of number of kids who apply to TJ, number who make it through the first round, and number admitted, but I can't remember where. Does anyone have those numbers?


Here you go. Knock yourself out parsing the number s of applied vs. semi finalists vs accepted...

http://thebullelephant.com/fairfax-middle-schools-send-students-tjhsst/


Here you go-- % of kids who applied that were admitted:

Carson 35%
RR 31%
Longfellow: 32.5%
Kilmer: 19%
Front: 21.6%
LBSS: 16.8%
Jackson: 16.2%
Twain: 13.5%

Which means Carson, RR and Longfellow are far and away better at sending their kids to TJ than the other FCPS MSs/


Right. So now explain to me what difference it makes how many kids at TJ live in Langley and McLean? Which I think was OP’s original reason for starting the thread.


Because Langely is THE BEST. At all things. Clearly. (And even though Rocky Run and Carson are adjacent to each other).


You don't need to be so whiny. It's no wonder FCPS hasn't released this data before. Some people take it as such a personal affront, when it's just some interesting numbers.

Anyway, Carson isn't "adjacent" to Rocky Run, as Franklin is closer to both schools than they are to each other. The distance between Carson and Rocky Run is actually the same as that between Kilmer and Longfellow (slightly over four miles).


FCPS does release pupil placement data & the TJ middle school feeder data every year. FCPS is a public school system in a FOIA world, so this not exactly classified material. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it's not out there.


Can you point to FCPS having assembled and made this data (TJ attendance broken down by base high school assignment) publicly available before? Have you obtained it in response to a FOIA request (I have not, but then I wouldn't pay for it, either)? If not, you are just speculating and should put a lid on it.


You could google. But since that's hard, it's on the FCPS dashboard every year. If you look in the pyramids and programs section, you can access a spread sheet for each high school showing transfers in and out for special programs. There is a separate column for TJ transfer students. Right now, the dashboard shows current year numbers. Last year, it showed SY 2014-2015 numbers, etc. Since last year's data was on the dashboard, I'm sure it's archived somewhere.
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Anonymous wrote:Per recently released FCPS data, the 10 base high schools that see the most transfers of students to TJHSST are:

Langley (172)
McLean (161)
Oakton (153)
Chantilly (136)
Westfield (97)
South Lakes (84)
Woodson (79)
Madison (64)
Marshall (58)
Centreville (52)


That list must be several years put together. There are not 58 students from our base school, Marshall. Represents last 10 years? signed TJ mom.


No - it means that there are currently 58 TJ students who live within the Marshall base boundaries - about 15 in each class. That's not surprising when you consider the number of students admitted to TJ from Kilmer every year - although it does seem like more of the Kilmer admits live in neighborhoods zoned for Langley.


maybe. But there were not 15 from Marshall when we started. there were 4.
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Since 30 from each class dropped, that might be part of the figure. but even then, the numbers do not add up. However, TJ could fill 90% of the class from Langley.
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Anonymous wrote:I have seen a breakdown by MS of number of kids who apply to TJ, number who make it through the first round, and number admitted, but I can't remember where. Does anyone have those numbers?


Here you go. Knock yourself out parsing the number s of applied vs. semi finalists vs accepted...

http://thebullelephant.com/fairfax-middle-schools-send-students-tjhsst/


Here you go-- % of kids who applied that were admitted:

Carson 35%
RR 31%
Longfellow: 32.5%
Kilmer: 19%
Front: 21.6%
LBSS: 16.8%
Jackson: 16.2%
Twain: 13.5%

Which means Carson, RR and Longfellow are far and away better at sending their kids to TJ than the other FCPS MSs/


Right. So now explain to me what difference it makes how many kids at TJ live in Langley and McLean? Which I think was OP’s original reason for starting the thread.


Because Langely is THE BEST. At all things. Clearly. (And even though Rocky Run and Carson are adjacent to each other).


You don't need to be so whiny. It's no wonder FCPS hasn't released this data before. Some people take it as such a personal affront, when it's just some interesting numbers.

Anyway, Carson isn't "adjacent" to Rocky Run, as Franklin is closer to both schools than they are to each other. The distance between Carson and Rocky Run is actually the same as that between Kilmer and Longfellow (slightly over four miles).


FCPS does release pupil placement data & the TJ middle school feeder data every year. FCPS is a public school system in a FOIA world, so this not exactly classified material. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it's not out there.


Can you point to FCPS having assembled and made this data (TJ attendance broken down by base high school assignment) publicly available before? Have you obtained it in response to a FOIA request (I have not, but then I wouldn't pay for it, either)? If not, you are just speculating and should put a lid on it.


You could google. But since that's hard, it's on the FCPS dashboard every year. If you look in the pyramids and programs section, you can access a spread sheet for each high school showing transfers in and out for special programs. There is a separate column for TJ transfer students. Right now, the dashboard shows current year numbers. Last year, it showed SY 2014-2015 numbers, etc. Since last year's data was on the dashboard, I'm sure it's archived somewhere.


It was added to the dashboard this fall. The dashboard already existed, but I'm pretty sure it did not include information in this level of detail. If you can show otherwise, please do. Otherwise, I think you're just speculating.
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Anonymous wrote:Per recently released FCPS data, the 10 base high schools that see the most transfers of students to TJHSST are:

Langley (172)
McLean (161)
Oakton (153)
Chantilly (136)
Westfield (97)
South Lakes (84)
Woodson (79)
Madison (64)
Marshall (58)
Centreville (52)


That list must be several years put together. There are not 58 students from our base school, Marshall. Represents last 10 years? signed TJ mom.


No - it means that there are currently 58 TJ students who live within the Marshall base boundaries - about 15 in each class. That's not surprising when you consider the number of students admitted to TJ from Kilmer every year - although it does seem like more of the Kilmer admits live in neighborhoods zoned for Langley.


maybe. But there were not 15 from Marshall when we started. there were 4.


Perhaps there were students who'd attended private schools in 8th grade but lived in the GCM district or perhaps the number has gone up since you did your count. Four seems very low to me given the number of TJ admits from Kilmer every year, although at least half the Kilmer AAP kids are zoned for Langley or Madison.
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Anonymous wrote:No surprise, really, that the largest cohorts of TJ students would live in the Langley/McLean areas, is there?


It would be, if that were true. But Rocky Run + Carson, which serve the western part of the County send significantly more kids than Longfellow + Kilmer.


Of course, Carson and Rocky Run AAP (133 admits last year) covers 26 ES, three of the county's largest HS, a good chunk of a fourth HS, and part of a fifth HS. Longfellow and Kilmer AAP (104 admits) cover about 16.5 ES, three of the county's smaller HS, and a small part of a fourth HS. That's consistent with the fact that, when FCPS sorts TJ students who live in FC by base HS, Langley and McLean are the top two. But, by all means, treat Carson and Rocky Run as if they are one big mega-school if it makes you feel better.
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Anonymous wrote:I have seen a breakdown by MS of number of kids who apply to TJ, number who make it through the first round, and number admitted, but I can't remember where. Does anyone have those numbers?


Here you go. Knock yourself out parsing the number s of applied vs. semi finalists vs accepted...

http://thebullelephant.com/fairfax-middle-schools-send-students-tjhsst/


Here you go-- % of kids who applied that were admitted:

Carson 35%
RR 31%
Longfellow: 32.5%
Kilmer: 19%
Front: 21.6%
LBSS: 16.8%
Jackson: 16.2%
Twain: 13.5%

Which means Carson, RR and Longfellow are far and away better at sending their kids to TJ than the other FCPS MSs/


Right. So now explain to me what difference it makes how many kids at TJ live in Langley and McLean? Which I think was OP’s original reason for starting the thread.


Because Langely is THE BEST. At all things. Clearly. (And even though Rocky Run and Carson are adjacent to each other).


You don't need to be so whiny. It's no wonder FCPS hasn't released this data before. Some people take it as such a personal affront, when it's just some interesting numbers.

Anyway, Carson isn't "adjacent" to Rocky Run, as Franklin is closer to both schools than they are to each other. The distance between Carson and Rocky Run is actually the same as that between Kilmer and Longfellow (slightly over four miles).


FCPS does release pupil placement data & the TJ middle school feeder data every year. FCPS is a public school system in a FOIA world, so this not exactly classified material. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it's not out there.


Can you point to FCPS having assembled and made this data (TJ attendance broken down by base high school assignment) publicly available before? Have you obtained it in response to a FOIA request (I have not, but then I wouldn't pay for it, either)? If not, you are just speculating and should put a lid on it.


You could google. But since that's hard, it's on the FCPS dashboard every year. If you look in the pyramids and programs section, you can access a spread sheet for each high school showing transfers in and out for special programs. There is a separate column for TJ transfer students. Right now, the dashboard shows current year numbers. Last year, it showed SY 2014-2015 numbers, etc. Since last year's data was on the dashboard, I'm sure it's archived somewhere.


It was added to the dashboard this fall. The dashboard already existed, but I'm pretty sure it did not include information in this level of detail. If you can show otherwise, please do. Otherwise, I think you're just speculating.


It existed at least last year, because I looked at these spread sheets when looking at pupil placing a child for IB. But since the dashboard is on a continuous update, I can't "prove" it. But if you really care about last year, I sure you could call the central office and they can point you to the archived data. It's probably on board docs somewhere.
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Anonymous wrote:I have seen a breakdown by MS of number of kids who apply to TJ, number who make it through the first round, and number admitted, but I can't remember where. Does anyone have those numbers?


Here you go. Knock yourself out parsing the number s of applied vs. semi finalists vs accepted...

http://thebullelephant.com/fairfax-middle-schools-send-students-tjhsst/


Here you go-- % of kids who applied that were admitted:

Carson 35%
RR 31%
Longfellow: 32.5%
Kilmer: 19%
Front: 21.6%
LBSS: 16.8%
Jackson: 16.2%
Twain: 13.5%

Which means Carson, RR and Longfellow are far and away better at sending their kids to TJ than the other FCPS MSs/


Right. So now explain to me what difference it makes how many kids at TJ live in Langley and McLean? Which I think was OP’s original reason for starting the thread.


Because Langely is THE BEST. At all things. Clearly. (And even though Rocky Run and Carson are adjacent to each other).


You don't need to be so whiny. It's no wonder FCPS hasn't released this data before. Some people take it as such a personal affront, when it's just some interesting numbers.

Anyway, Carson isn't "adjacent" to Rocky Run, as Franklin is closer to both schools than they are to each other. The distance between Carson and Rocky Run is actually the same as that between Kilmer and Longfellow (slightly over four miles).


FCPS does release pupil placement data & the TJ middle school feeder data every year. FCPS is a public school system in a FOIA world, so this not exactly classified material. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it's not out there.


Can you point to FCPS having assembled and made this data (TJ attendance broken down by base high school assignment) publicly available before? Have you obtained it in response to a FOIA request (I have not, but then I wouldn't pay for it, either)? If not, you are just speculating and should put a lid on it.


You could google. But since that's hard, it's on the FCPS dashboard every year. If you look in the pyramids and programs section, you can access a spread sheet for each high school showing transfers in and out for special programs. There is a separate column for TJ transfer students. Right now, the dashboard shows current year numbers. Last year, it showed SY 2014-2015 numbers, etc. Since last year's data was on the dashboard, I'm sure it's archived somewhere.


It was added to the dashboard this fall. The dashboard already existed, but I'm pretty sure it did not include information in this level of detail. If you can show otherwise, please do. Otherwise, I think you're just speculating.


It existed at least last year, because I looked at these spread sheets when looking at pupil placing a child for IB. But since the dashboard is on a continuous update, I can't "prove" it. But if you really care about last year, I sure you could call the central office and they can point you to the archived data. It's probably on board docs somewhere.


Nice try. The contents of the spread sheets evolve.
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