Feminism, femininity, and marriage

[Anonymous]

The other way to think about it is that the 35 year old big dicks often get stuck with shallow women while the 35 year old big hearts wind up with wives who fully appreciate them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The other way to think about it is that the 35 year old big dicks often get stuck with shallow women while the 35 year old big hearts wind up with wives who fully appreciate them.

From your point of view sure. But if you put yourself in the big hearts shoes its kind of like they're getting shafted considering that youth and beauty is highly prized by both men and women. Anyway beautiful young women and wives who fully appreciate them are not mutually exclusive.

So I think it all comes down to a PP's point -

"What I'm telling you is what men respond to. If you tell boys, as they're growing up, that some day, maybe when he's 30, if he's soft and gentle, a plain looking woman with good credentials will want to enter into a mutually beneficial family arrangement, he's not going to aspire to those traits. Meanwhile, *right now* the hottest girls in school are flirting outrageously with the strong, fast, loud, aggressive guy. And if you don't think that's who is getting the most attention from women (plain and attractive alike) during the years in and around puberty when a lot of gender-dynamics are being formed, you're kidding yourself.:

[Anonymous]

So, you're advocating that men should act like assholes in order to get high school girls, both hot and not, to date them? What is your point, exactly? You need to head back over to your people on the MRA sites, because you just sound like an idiot to us.

[Anonymous]

Love how you quickly stoop to insults. I don't frequent MRA sites. I was having a civil discussion. You sound bratty and I'm not going to waste my time just because you feel backed into a corner with this discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Love how you quickly stoop to insults. I don't frequent MRA sites. I was having a civil discussion. You sound bratty and I'm not going to waste my time just because you feel backed into a corner with this discussion.

You ARE wasting your time here. The upshot of your posts is that nice guys finish last. We got it. Go ahead and be an asshole if you think it will lead to a richer, more fulfilling life surrounded by hot 25-year-olds. Good luck.

[Anonymous]

I'm not even a guy and was just agreeing with a previous poster. You should just go get a real life and stop insulting people on an online forum. What a waste of space talking to you. Have a nice life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, you're advocating that men should act like assholes in order to get high school girls, both hot and not, to date them? What is your point, exactly? You need to head back over to your people on the MRA sites, because you just sound like an idiot to us.

Can you read? He is not advocating this. He is observing that this seems to be what happens. Then he postulates that this will be very very hard, if not impossible, to change due to basic biology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, you're advocating that men should act like assholes in order to get high school girls, both hot and not, to date them? What is your point, exactly? You need to head back over to your people on the MRA sites, because you just sound like an idiot to us.

Nobody is advocating any such thing. Is your world so black and white? Biology is at play here. The same biology that makes a male peacock spread it's wings and a grizzly bear fight other males.

I don't think our biological differences should be ignored ot that we should dillude ourselves that they exist. we should work within those.

I'm a woman, I work. I'm also a proud mom and proud to take care of my husband. I also find my husband who is ultimately a provider sexy. I like a little of both worlds. the traditional and the new.

[Anonymous]

^^and I hate my S5.

[Anonymous]

What this has to do with feminism is that, in order for women to be treated well by men, you have to cultivate men who want to treat women well. A big step toward that is for men to see that women are sexually attracted to men who treat them well. If that's not happening and/or can't happen due to biology, it's' going to be a long, hard slog. (And it's not much better if women aren't attracted to the more socially desirable traits until dating fun is almost over and it's time to settle down and start doing the hard work of being an adult.)

[Anonymous]

Feminism has always had an identity crisis, a PR crisis, and a personality crisis. It explains why so many women are disillusioned with it.

http://womenagainstfeminism.tumblr.com/

If the message of gender equality is at the heart of any form of Feminism, then it needs to change its name to something more gender-neutral.

[Anonymous]

What a lot of whining. Waaah we men want sexy mommies to take care of us and make us feel important. We want the best jobs with the most money. We want freedom from equally sharing obligations and family responsibilities. We're very threatened that women want equal opportunities and pay, and to control their own bodies and to have choices in their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a lot of whining. Waaah we men want sexy mommies to take care of us and make us feel important. We want the best jobs with the most money. We want freedom from equally sharing obligations and family responsibilities. We're very threatened that women want equal opportunities and pay, and to control their own bodies and to have choices in their lives.

Sure go ahead. Except the "men" you accuse of whining are actually women. So your insults just show you are not capable of listening to what is being said and are intransigent in your ways. Can you not exchange views without stopping so low?

[Anonymous]

It seems the two problems the OP has with feminism are:

1) men don't want to marry women because feminism has made them all manly and bitchy and men get nothing out of marriage

2) despite feminists insisting it wants gentle and kind men, biologically women actually want men who are cocky and treat them like shit

Clearly the only answer is to be the biggest a-hole you can be and then just sit back and NOT get married while legions of 25 year olds throw themselves at you because you treat them all horribly. Why are you complaining? If the conclusions you've drawn are accurate, it seems like feminism should be awesome for men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems the two problems the OP has with feminism are:

1) men don't want to marry women because feminism has made them all manly and bitchy and men get nothing out of marriage

2) despite feminists insisting it wants gentle and kind men, biologically women actually want men who are cocky and treat them like shit

Clearly the only answer is to be the biggest a-hole you can be and then just sit back and NOT get married while legions of 25 year olds throw themselves at you because you treat them all horribly. Why are you complaining? If the conclusions you've drawn are accurate, it seems like feminism should be awesome for men.

Of course it is awesome foe men. Just look at the "I want a provider thread". The woman brings home the bacon and fries it up. If she complains about this there is a chorus of shrill women screaming at her to take care of her own damn self. The man comes out Snelling like roses and she's painted a bitch. All driven by women. Bravo ladies! Bravo.