Compelling conversion is explicitly prohibited in Islam

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Again and again you make the crucial point of confusing Muslim practice with Islam. You are so emotional that you simply can not evaluate Islam objectively. You said many many pages back that your husband's family pressures you to convert. Its no wonder you're incapable of being objective.

You need to separate the forest from the trees. Remember, Hitlers actions does not reflect badly on all German citizens for eternity. Separate Islam the religion from the people, AND PARTICULARLY PEOPLE WHO ARE PRODUCTS OF TRIBAL AREAS, TRADITIONAL CULTURAL UPBRINGING. Its absolutely unbelievable to me you judge the faith of 1.6 bil people based on actions of a handful of assholes and that you ignore the meaning and historical context of the Quran.

What's absolutely unbelievable to ME is your assumption that you're talking with the same, and only one person. Do you realize that the a) punjabi person, and b) woman whose husband's family pressured her to convert might just possibly be two separate people?

It may be or might not be. The issue is not whether Muslims have comitted atrocities. They have. Some still do. But an educated person should recognize it may not reflect poorly on the religion, particularly if the vast majority of the 1.6 billion are peaceful. An educated person does not read other people's religious scriptures literally with zero regard to historical context. An educated person who wants to completely understand a faith will not simply engage in self study, they will seek out a wide variety of scholars and imams also, particularly well educated ones. And they would not insist that an entire religion is barbaric. Thats not only ignorant but terribly irresponsible.

If she continues to babble on this way, and succeeds in her intent to foster hatred, mistrust, and rancor between Muslims and Christians and Jews, it may have the unintended consequence of inflaming some people, and then inspiring them into violent retaliation. Thus, its this biased hateful version of Islam she insists is representative of all Muslims that might actually give rise to even more hateful and violent reactions.

You and your friends have no problem quoting scriptures literally when it fits your narrative. So really, what is the difference between you and me?

If you include into the "well educated imams" the person who told you the only reliable collection of ahadith is somewhere in Saudi Arabia under lock and key, unreleased into the world for some unfathomable reason, then I'm afraid your definition of "educated" differs from mine.

PS: I asked my Saudi husband if that might possibly be true. When he was done laughing, he said if you believe this, you probably also believe in jinns.

Oh dear, Jinns are mentioned in the Quran repeatedly. If he doesn't believe they exist, then who knows if he even buys that the Quran is the word of God.

Aw, the horrors!

Not for me, it isn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the advice I gave you pages ago...find a scholar on the World Muslim Council or Fiqh Council and speak to him. Not hard to do.

What about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Muslim PP, I agree with another PP who said you do not, and cannot, speak for all Islam. Nobody is challenging your right to your personal interpretation of Islam. If you think you know better than other practicing Muslims, that's obviously your total right and also your lookout. If you're reading from the How to Convert Kaffirs playbook, then I'm annoyed because you probably know better than to say some of the things you say, but then again maybe you don't know better.

Where several of us have an issue is when you represent your Islam as the only "true" Islam. Particularly since you do get things wrong (on this thread, how concubines are only freed after the master dies). Particularly since millions of Muslims are following somebody else's Islam, maybe al Azhar's Islam or Sistani's Islam.

Why would I want you to convert to Islam? Islam isn't hurting for converts. You make no sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Muslim PP, I agree with another PP who said you do not, and cannot, speak for all Islam. Nobody is challenging your right to your personal interpretation of Islam. If you think you know better than other practicing Muslims, that's obviously your total right and also your lookout. If you're reading from the How to Convert Kaffirs playbook, then I'm annoyed because you probably know better than to say some of the things you say, but then again maybe you don't know better.

Where several of us have an issue is when you represent your Islam as the only "true" Islam. Particularly since you do get things wrong (on this thread, how concubines are only freed after the master dies). Particularly since millions of Muslims are following somebody else's Islam, maybe al Azhar's Islam or Sistani's Islam.

Why would I want you to convert to Islam? Islam isn't hurting for converts. You make no sense.

Might their number exceed the number of Muslim immigrants? Didn't you say that once? Although you probably regret it by now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Again and again you make the crucial point of confusing Muslim practice with Islam. You are so emotional that you simply can not evaluate Islam objectively. You said many many pages back that your husband's family pressures you to convert. Its no wonder you're incapable of being objective.

You need to separate the forest from the trees. Remember, Hitlers actions does not reflect badly on all German citizens for eternity. Separate Islam the religion from the people, AND PARTICULARLY PEOPLE WHO ARE PRODUCTS OF TRIBAL AREAS, TRADITIONAL CULTURAL UPBRINGING. Its absolutely unbelievable to me you judge the faith of 1.6 bil people based on actions of a handful of assholes and that you ignore the meaning and historical context of the Quran.

What's absolutely unbelievable to ME is your assumption that you're talking with the same, and only one person. Do you realize that the a) punjabi person, and b) woman whose husband's family pressured her to convert might just possibly be two separate people?

It may be or might not be. The issue is not whether Muslims have comitted atrocities. They have. Some still do. But an educated person should recognize it may not reflect poorly on the religion, particularly if the vast majority of the 1.6 billion are peaceful. An educated person does not read other people's religious scriptures literally with zero regard to historical context. An educated person who wants to completely understand a faith will not simply engage in self study, they will seek out a wide variety of scholars and imams also, particularly well educated ones. And they would not insist that an entire religion is barbaric. Thats not only ignorant but terribly irresponsible.

If she continues to babble on this way, and succeeds in her intent to foster hatred, mistrust, and rancor between Muslims and Christians and Jews, it may have the unintended consequence of inflaming some people, and then inspiring them into violent retaliation. Thus, its this biased hateful version of Islam she insists is representative of all Muslims that might actually give rise to even more hateful and violent reactions.

Oooh, goody. If ISIS beheads a few more people tomorrow, it will be all my fault.

I don't think anyone here insisted that the entire religion is barbaric. You made that up to make yourself look better. Although I have to say that the number of times you repeated "CRUSADER EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN ISLAMOPHOBE RACIST" has certainly advanced this cause.

Yep. Think Salman Rushdie. Think objectively and report fairly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Muslim PP, I agree with another PP who said you do not, and cannot, speak for all Islam. Nobody is challenging your right to your personal interpretation of Islam. If you think you know better than other practicing Muslims, that's obviously your total right and also your lookout. If you're reading from the How to Convert Kaffirs playbook, then I'm annoyed because you probably know better than to say some of the things you say, but then again maybe you don't know better.

Where several of us have an issue is when you represent your Islam as the only "true" Islam. Particularly since you do get things wrong (on this thread, how concubines are only freed after the master dies). Particularly since millions of Muslims are following somebody else's Islam, maybe al Azhar's Islam or Sistani's Islam.

Why would I want you to convert to Islam? Islam isn't hurting for converts. You make no sense.

Might their number exceed the number of Muslim immigrants? Didn't you say that once? Although you probably regret it by now.

Of course not. That subject will be revisited soon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Muslim PP, I agree with another PP who said you do not, and cannot, speak for all Islam. Nobody is challenging your right to your personal interpretation of Islam. If you think you know better than other practicing Muslims, that's obviously your total right and also your lookout. If you're reading from the How to Convert Kaffirs playbook, then I'm annoyed because you probably know better than to say some of the things you say, but then again maybe you don't know better.

Where several of us have an issue is when you represent your Islam as the only "true" Islam. Particularly since you do get things wrong (on this thread, how concubines are only freed after the master dies). Particularly since millions of Muslims are following somebody else's Islam, maybe al Azhar's Islam or Sistani's Islam.

Why would I want you to convert to Islam? Islam isn't hurting for converts. You make no sense.

Might their number exceed the number of Muslim immigrants? Didn't you say that once? Although you probably regret it by now.

Of course not. That subject will be revisited soon.

The world is waiting with the breath that is bated.

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Anonymous wrote:Muslim PP, I agree with another PP who said you do not, and cannot, speak for all Islam. Nobody is challenging your right to your personal interpretation of Islam. If you think you know better than other practicing Muslims, that's obviously your total right and also your lookout. If you're reading from the How to Convert Kaffirs playbook, then I'm annoyed because you probably know better than to say some of the things you say, but then again maybe you don't know better.

Where several of us have an issue is when you represent your Islam as the only "true" Islam. Particularly since you do get things wrong (on this thread, how concubines are only freed after the master dies). Particularly since millions of Muslims are following somebody else's Islam, maybe al Azhar's Islam or Sistani's Islam.

Why would I want you to convert to Islam? Islam isn't hurting for converts. You make no sense.

Might their number exceed the number of Muslim immigrants? Didn't you say that once? Although you probably regret it by now.

Of course not. That subject will be revisited soon.

When you figure out a way to make 100,000 look lower than 25,000?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the advice I gave you pages ago...find a scholar on the World Muslim Council or Fiqh Council and speak to him. Not hard to do.

I'll do that just as soon as you schedule a meeting with a clergyman of my faith.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Muslim PP, I agree with another PP who said you do not, and cannot, speak for all Islam. Nobody is challenging your right to your personal interpretation of Islam. If you think you know better than other practicing Muslims, that's obviously your total right and also your lookout. If you're reading from the How to Convert Kaffirs playbook, then I'm annoyed because you probably know better than to say some of the things you say, but then again maybe you don't know better.

Where several of us have an issue is when you represent your Islam as the only "true" Islam. Particularly since you do get things wrong (on this thread, how concubines are only freed after the master dies). Particularly since millions of Muslims are following somebody else's Islam, maybe al Azhar's Islam or Sistani's Islam.

Why would I want you to convert to Islam? Islam isn't hurting for converts. You make no sense.

Might their number exceed the number of Muslim immigrants? Didn't you say that once? Although you probably regret it by now.

Of course not. That subject will be revisited soon.

Is that a threat? Because I'm sort of exhausted. Explaining that 100,000>25,000 for multiple pages, not to mention all these other non-quantitative issues over and over across several threads, has been very tiring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Again and again you make the crucial point of confusing Muslim practice with Islam. You are so emotional that you simply can not evaluate Islam objectively. You said many many pages back that your husband's family pressures you to convert. Its no wonder you're incapable of being objective.

You need to separate the forest from the trees. Remember, Hitlers actions does not reflect badly on all German citizens for eternity. Separate Islam the religion from the people, AND PARTICULARLY PEOPLE WHO ARE PRODUCTS OF TRIBAL AREAS, TRADITIONAL CULTURAL UPBRINGING. Its absolutely unbelievable to me you judge the faith of 1.6 bil people based on actions of a handful of assholes and that you ignore the meaning and historical context of the Quran.

What's absolutely unbelievable to ME is your assumption that you're talking with the same, and only one person. Do you realize that the a) punjabi person, and b) woman whose husband's family pressured her to convert might just possibly be two separate people?

It may be or might not be. The issue is not whether Muslims have comitted atrocities. They have. Some still do. But an educated person should recognize it may not reflect poorly on the religion, particularly if the vast majority of the 1.6 billion are peaceful. An educated person does not read other people's religious scriptures literally with zero regard to historical context. An educated person who wants to completely understand a faith will not simply engage in self study, they will seek out a wide variety of scholars and imams also, particularly well educated ones. And they would not insist that an entire religion is barbaric. Thats not only ignorant but terribly irresponsible.

If she continues to babble on this way, and succeeds in her intent to foster hatred, mistrust, and rancor between Muslims and Christians and Jews, it may have the unintended consequence of inflaming some people, and then inspiring them into violent retaliation. Thus, its this biased hateful version of Islam she insists is representative of all Muslims that might actually give rise to even more hateful and violent reactions.

Oooh, goody. If ISIS beheads a few more people tomorrow, it will be all my fault.

I don't think anyone here insisted that the entire religion is barbaric. You made that up to make yourself look better. Although I have to say that the number of times you repeated "CRUSADER EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN ISLAMOPHOBE RACIST" has certainly advanced this cause.

You have somehow mistaken me for someone who cares about what you think. You are an islamophobe. You hate Islam, the whole of it.

Oh darlin', if caring what other people think was a requirement for posting, this board would have been empty. Besides, why do you answer if you don't care?

I'm Islam-neutral. It's like any other religion - has beautiful bits and unlovely bits both. You chose to focus your energies on the defense of the unlovely bits like polygamy and concubinage. I have no problem in calling them unlovely. Luckily, I'm not Muslim so the burden of accepting all or nothing doesn't weigh heavily on me. You're just angry someone who responds to you has some actual knowledge of the subject.

You never answered, and I'm genuinely and coolly curious: why is "EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN CRUSADER" a default insult of choice for you, even when you know nothing of the poster's religion? Why not, for instance, a "DIRTY ZIONIST"? Or a "COW WORSHIPPING HINDU"?

You intrigue me, as a psychiatric case, that is. Any bipolar in your family? The rapid fire posts of yours (most are yours I believe) are indicative of a manic person. It would explain a lot, in which case I would apologize to you.

You obviously have a lot of free time. Are you employed or rather, employable? I can not reply extensive answers throughout the day as you do. I have other responsibilities. But I will later. Way too much bs to expose in your posts.

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You intrigue me, as a psychiatric case, that is. Any bipolar in your family? The rapid fire posts of yours (most are yours I believe) are indicative of a manic person. It would explain a lot, in which case I would apologize to you.

You obviously have a lot of free time. Are you employed or rather, employable? I can not reply extensive answers throughout the day as you do. I have other responsibilities. But I will later. Way too much bs to expose in your posts.

Why does that matter?

Are you also interested in my cooking skills?

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You intrigue me, as a psychiatric case, that is. Any bipolar in your family? The rapid fire posts of yours (most are yours I believe) are indicative of a manic person. It would explain a lot, in which case I would apologize to you.

You obviously have a lot of free time. Are you employed or rather, employable? I can not reply extensive answers throughout the day as you do. I have other responsibilities. But I will later. Way too much bs to expose in your posts.

Also note that I've never actually claimed anything about your PERSON. Nice difference, no?

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You intrigue me, as a psychiatric case, that is. Any bipolar in your family? The rapid fire posts of yours (most are yours I believe) are indicative of a manic person. It would explain a lot, in which case I would apologize to you.

You obviously have a lot of free time. Are you employed or rather, employable? I can not reply extensive answers throughout the day as you do. I have other responsibilities. But I will later. Way too much bs to expose in your posts.

Give yourself a big 'ole pat on the back for being DCUM's most fatuous poster today!

By my count, there are 3, maybe 4 of us here pretty steadily: Punjabi PP, Kaffir Wife of Saudi Man, and me, the poster you call Bad Cook With Druggie Kid (note to nubes: Muslim PP made that up, it's not true). Plus some random stray posters. That particular poster might account for 1/3 of all the critical posts, but I doubt it's more.

[Anonymous]

^^^ bad cook here again. Plus, from what I can tell, lots if random posters still interested in the whole immigration thing, also, jinns.