Compelling conversion is explicitly prohibited in Islam

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Tell me -- what do you think people should have done in those times with the large numbers of women who were left alone and behind after their husbands, fathers, uncles were killed in war? How would women have supported themselves?

Women have supported themselves before Islam and during Islam just fine. I think a really good way not to create large numbers of women left behind would have been not to kill their husbands, fathers and uncles. But hey, if you think the only way to take care of them was to usurp their right to their bodies, who am I to argue?

(There ARE ways of taking care of women without sleeping with them, you know.)

Ahhhh…there were many ways of women supporting themselves in 600 AD, you say? And many did support themselves too? But you just can't, to save your life, think of those ways right now though? Supreme bs answer.

Muhammad's first wife was a rich lady. Weren't there business women? Tradeswomen? Property owners? Women from rich families? Come now.

Besides, you say this like their fathers, husbands and brothers just dropped dead from a sudden bout of flu. There were dead at wars that Muslims participated in, both defensively and offensively. Might there have been fewer widows if the Muslim empire didn't feel the need to expand?

Yes, Muhammad's first wife was a rich merchant. And so your logic goes something like this -- Muhammads first wife was a rich merchant, therefore all women in 600 AD were as well. Is that it?
And to add, male guardians of women died only from Muslim murderers. There was no such thing as Christian crusaders who murdered anyone, though. Only Muslims murdered and left women orphans and widows. Is that your logic?
I just want to make sure DCUMers can see the inner workings of your mind.

My logic is that sleeping with their owners, frequently the very same people at whose hands their husbands died, wasn't the ONLY way women could support themselves.

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Besides, if you think captivity was the only answer to women impoverished by war, you must necessarily accept that enslaving of Muslim women in wars that Muslims lost was also good and proper. Muslim armies didn't win all wars now, did they.

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OP here. I'll be off for a few hours to attend to other responsibilities. I'm sure when I return there will be ten pages of questions for me. lol

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Women have supported themselves before Islam and during Islam just fine. I think a really good way not to create large numbers of women left behind would have been not to kill their husbands, fathers and uncles. But hey, if you think the only way to take care of them was to usurp their right to their bodies, who am I to argue?

(There ARE ways of taking care of women without sleeping with them, you know.)

Ahhhh…there were many ways of women supporting themselves in 600 AD, you say? And many did support themselves too? But you just can't, to save your life, think of those ways right now though? Supreme bs answer.


Muhammad's first wife was a rich lady. Weren't there business women? Tradeswomen? Property owners? Women from rich families? Come now.
Besides, you say this like their fathers, husbands and brothers just dropped dead from a sudden bout of flu. There were dead at wars that Muslims participated in, both defensively and offensively. Might there have been fewer widows if the Muslim empire didn't feel the need to expand?

Yes, Muhammad's first wife was a rich merchant. And so your logic goes something like this -- Muhammads first wife was a rich merchant, therefore all women in 600 AD were as well. Is that it?
And to add, male guardians of women died only from Muslim murderers. There was no such thing as Christian crusaders who murdered anyone, though. Only Muslims murdered and left women orphans and widows. Is that your logic?
I just want to make sure DCUMers can see the inner workings of your mind.
My logic is that sleeping with their owners, frequently the very same people at whose hands their husbands died, wasn't the ONLY way women could support themselves.

Christian-Muslim wars were brutal and bloody in those days as both were fighting for the right to rule. The wars left too many widows to be married off to only single men. These women often had no way of supporting themselves. Thus, they were left to die or to be sold into slavery. This was the way of life back then.

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Watch these fascinating You Tube videos of Rifqa Bary’s lead Attorney, Kort Gatterdam being interviewed by Tom Trento of the Florida Security Council. The interview occured on August 5th following the dramatic ruling by Franklin County, Ohio Juvenile Court Magistrate, Mary Goodrich freeing Christian convert Rifqa Bary from reconciliation with her Muslim parents. The interviews occured when a gag order imposed by the court on discussion of the proceedings was lifted following Judge Goodrich’s ruling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyxYQ_JmgzY

In this interview, Gatterdam, a skilled professional criminal defense attorney, discusses the strategy adopted during the arduous hearings, the tactics used to counter attempts by her parents CAIR-appointed attorneys to deny her application for special immigration status as an abused juvenile and the evidence of such abuse by her parents who like Rifqa were in this country illegally. This evidence also included death threats against her from Muslim sources in her native Sri Lanka and treatment of the minority Christian community there. Gatterdam explains why lay critics who had suggested presenting a case for asylum based on apostasy and honor killings under Sharia would have been rejected by the court as irrelevant under Ohio juvenile custody laws. He pays great credit to the strength of character, faith and love by Christian convert Bary in the face of evident attempts by her parents CAIR-appointed counsel to impose Sharia custody issues backfired and her personal torment given diagnosis and treatment for uterine cancer. Gatterdam sees a possible future for Ms. Bary as a budding Christian evangelist.

Remarkably, neither Gatterdam nor co-counsel, immigration law specialist Angela Lloyd, took compensation for defense of Ms. Bary for this months long proceeding in the Columbus, Ohio juvenile court.