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Anonymous wrote:what country is greater than the US? Who saved western civilization in WWII? Who defeated depots in WWI? Who made the bold experiment in modern representative democracy a success? who opened its doors to immigrants from across the world?

Um, okay. The examples you site above happened at least 50 years ago. We have done little lately to carry the 'Greatest Country in the World' torch you speak of.

ummm, defeat the Soviet Union and liberate Eastern Europe? Play a huge part in overthrowing dictators in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya ... provide a free market economy, the largest in the world by far, that raises the standard of living of billions worldwide?

I didn't realize we went to war with the Soviet Union. Or that we ever invaded Eastern Europe and "liberated" it. And please inform me how we have raised the standard of living of billions worldwide with our free market economy?

you are too dumb to debate.

NP here. When you resort to statements like this, you have lost the argument.

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12:12, he/she is too [something] to debate. I doubt it's dumb but it might be willfully pretending not to know the usual views on this stuff. Even left-leaning historians agree the U.S. played a huge roll in bringing down the Soviet Union. And while there are costs to the free market, it has obviously been the driving force in taking people out of poverty world-wide. The fact that many remain in poverty doesn't change that.

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Anonymous wrote:12:12, he/she is too [something] to debate. I doubt it's dumb but it might be willfully pretending not to know the usual views on this stuff. Even left-leaning historians agree the U.S. played a huge roll in bringing down the Soviet Union. And while there are costs to the free market, it has obviously been the driving force in taking people out of poverty world-wide. The fact that many remain in poverty doesn't change that.

Really? Which areas of the world has capitalism and the free market lifted out of poverty?

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Anonymous wrote:12:12, he/she is too [something] to debate. I doubt it's dumb but it might be willfully pretending not to know the usual views on this stuff. Even left-leaning historians agree the U.S. played a huge roll in bringing down the Soviet Union. And while there are costs to the free market, it has obviously been the driving force in taking people out of poverty world-wide. The fact that many remain in poverty doesn't change that.

Really? Which areas of the world has capitalism and the free market lifted out of poverty?

EVERY part of the world. Ask any economist, no matter how in favor of market regulation or government control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:12:12, he/she is too [something] to debate. I doubt it's dumb but it might be willfully pretending not to know the usual views on this stuff. Even left-leaning historians agree the U.S. played a huge roll in bringing down the Soviet Union. And while there are costs to the free market, it has obviously been the driving force in taking people out of poverty world-wide. The fact that many remain in poverty doesn't change that.

Other than Reagan's "Tear down this wall!" speech, what was the "huge roll" [sic -- I think you mean role]. Because I don't remember reading any "left-leaning" historians touting that role.

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Anonymous wrote:12:12, he/she is too [something] to debate. I doubt it's dumb but it might be willfully pretending not to know the usual views on this stuff. Even left-leaning historians agree the U.S. played a huge roll in bringing down the Soviet Union. And while there are costs to the free market, it has obviously been the driving force in taking people out of poverty world-wide. The fact that many remain in poverty doesn't change that.

Really? Which areas of the world has capitalism and the free market lifted out of poverty?

EVERY part of the world. Ask any economist, no matter how in favor of market regulation or government control.

Really, like Domino Sugar lifting Haiti out of poverty?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:12:12, he/she is too [something] to debate. I doubt it's dumb but it might be willfully pretending not to know the usual views on this stuff. Even left-leaning historians agree the U.S. played a huge roll in bringing down the Soviet Union. And while there are costs to the free market, it has obviously been the driving force in taking people out of poverty world-wide. The fact that many remain in poverty doesn't change that.

thanks, I guess. I shouldn't have replied that way, but when I was about to type a 5 minute history of the Cold War and its affect on Eastern Europe, I gave up as what is the point? travel through Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, etc., and ask them who saved them from the Russians.

[Anonymous]

12:31, I give up. Countries that do not have free market systems, like Haiti, have people who are made better by the cheap everyday goods that capitalism produces, to the extent corrupt governments let the goods get to the people.

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Anonymous wrote:12:31, I give up. Countries that do not have free market systems, like Haiti, have people who are made better by the cheap everyday goods that capitalism produces, to the extent corrupt governments let the goods get to the people.

Haiti is much better after the earthquake God lifted their economy up .

Q: Did you hear about the earthquake in Haiti?

A: It caused $100 million worth of improvements!

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Anonymous wrote:12:12, he/she is too [something] to debate. I doubt it's dumb but it might be willfully pretending not to know the usual views on this stuff. Even left-leaning historians agree the U.S. played a huge roll in bringing down the Soviet Union. And while there are costs to the free market, it has obviously been the driving force in taking people out of poverty world-wide. The fact that many remain in poverty doesn't change that.

Really? Which areas of the world has capitalism and the free market lifted out of poverty?

EVERY part of the world. Ask any economist, no matter how in favor of market regulation or government control.

Really, like Domino Sugar lifting Haiti out of poverty?

The claim about D.S. is that it has run plantations with slaves in Haiti and elsewhere. I have no idea if that is true but if it is, that's the opposite of free market capitalism. The basis of the free market is that each person owns and controls their own property, the most important property being themselves and their labor.

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Anonymous wrote:12:12, he/she is too [something] to debate. I doubt it's dumb but it might be willfully pretending not to know the usual views on this stuff. Even left-leaning historians agree the U.S. played a huge roll in bringing down the Soviet Union. And while there are costs to the free market, it has obviously been the driving force in taking people out of poverty world-wide. The fact that many remain in poverty doesn't change that.

Really? Which areas of the world has capitalism and the free market lifted out of poverty?

EVERY part of the world. Ask any economist, no matter how in favor of market regulation or government control.

Really, like Domino Sugar lifting Haiti out of poverty?

The claim about D.S. is that it has run plantations with slaves in Haiti and elsewhere. I have no idea if that is true but if it is, that's the opposite of free market capitalism. The basis of the free market is that each person owns and controls their own property, the most important property being themselves and their labor.

So what?

And there's so many other examples. Let's take Union Carbide in India. How did they lift up people out of poverty? Halliburton in Iraq?

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Anonymous wrote:12:12, he/she is too [something] to debate. I doubt it's dumb but it might be willfully pretending not to know the usual views on this stuff. Even left-leaning historians agree the U.S. played a huge roll in bringing down the Soviet Union. And while there are costs to the free market, it has obviously been the driving force in taking people out of poverty world-wide. The fact that many remain in poverty doesn't change that.

Really? Which areas of the world has capitalism and the free market lifted out of poverty?

EVERY part of the world. Ask any economist, no matter how in favor of market regulation or government control.

Really, like Domino Sugar lifting Haiti out of poverty?

The claim about D.S. is that it has run plantations with slaves in Haiti and elsewhere. I have no idea if that is true but if it is, that's the opposite of free market capitalism. The basis of the free market is that each person owns and controls their own property, the most important property being themselves and their labor.

You're confusing industry with capitalism. Unless you go to a fully socialist system where the government owns everything, you will always have large global firms, some of which behave badly or commit evil. That's not a slam on the free market. (And, by the way, history tells us that when the government does try to own everything, you don't escape this behavior. Some people are evil.)


So what?

And there's so many other examples. Let's take Union Carbide in India. How did they lift up people out of poverty? Halliburton in Iraq?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:12:12, he/she is too [something] to debate. I doubt it's dumb but it might be willfully pretending not to know the usual views on this stuff. Even left-leaning historians agree the U.S. played a huge roll in bringing down the Soviet Union. And while there are costs to the free market, it has obviously been the driving force in taking people out of poverty world-wide. The fact that many remain in poverty doesn't change that.

Really? Which areas of the world has capitalism and the free market lifted out of poverty?

EVERY part of the world. Ask any economist, no matter how in favor of market regulation or government control.

Really, like Domino Sugar lifting Haiti out of poverty?

The claim about D.S. is that it has run plantations with slaves in Haiti and elsewhere. I have no idea if that is true but if it is, that's the opposite of free market capitalism. The basis of the free market is that each person owns and controls their own property, the most important property being themselves and their labor.

But companies from capitalist countries have a tendency to set up facilities in poorer nations and engage in business practices that prevent workers from owning their own labor (practices ranging from actual forced labor to bait-and-switch recruiting practices to firing workers.who try to form unions).

I do see your point that the free market is not what these companies are engaged in. And yet these are companies that were nurtured in the capitalist West, with leaders who often tout the benefits of the free market. What do you call the non-capitalism that capitalists love to promote?

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Anonymous wrote:12:12, he/she is too [something] to debate. I doubt it's dumb but it might be willfully pretending not to know the usual views on this stuff. Even left-leaning historians agree the U.S. played a huge roll in bringing down the Soviet Union. And while there are costs to the free market, it has obviously been the driving force in taking people out of poverty world-wide. The fact that many remain in poverty doesn't change that.

Really? Which areas of the world has capitalism and the free market lifted out of poverty?

EVERY part of the world. Ask any economist, no matter how in favor of market regulation or government control.

Really, like Domino Sugar lifting Haiti out of poverty?

The claim about D.S. is that it has run plantations with slaves in Haiti and elsewhere. I have no idea if that is true but if it is, that's the opposite of free market capitalism. The basis of the free market is that each person owns and controls their own property, the most important property being themselves and their labor.

But companies from capitalist countries have a tendency to set up facilities in poorer nations and engage in business practices that prevent workers from owning their own labor (practices ranging from actual forced labor to bait-and-switch recruiting practices to firing workers.who try to form unions).

I do see your point that the free market is not what these companies are engaged in. And yet these are companies that were nurtured in the capitalist West, with leaders who often tout the benefits of the free market. What do you call the non-capitalism that capitalists love to promote?

The number of Western companies that have created real jobs and inexpensive goods for people in poorer countries far outnumbers the horror stories. I assume we both want to unleash the power of all people in all countries to create better lives for themselves. The free market with a free government can make that possible. Don't reject the free market because of individual companies that violate freedom. Call those companies out as not being free!

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