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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]12:12, he/she is too [something] to debate. I doubt it's dumb but it might be willfully pretending not to know the usual views on this stuff. Even left-leaning historians agree the U.S. played a huge roll in bringing down the Soviet Union. And while there are costs to the free market, it has obviously been the driving force in taking people out of poverty world-wide. The fact that many remain in poverty doesn't change that. [/quote]

Really?  Which areas of the world has capitalism and the free market lifted out of poverty?[/quote]

EVERY part of the world. Ask any economist, no matter how in favor of market regulation or government control. [/quote]

Really, like Domino Sugar lifting Haiti out of poverty?[/quote]

The claim about D.S. is that it has run plantations with slaves in Haiti and elsewhere. I have no idea if that is true but if it is, that's the opposite of free market capitalism. The basis of the free market is that each person owns and controls their own property, the most important property being themselves and their labor. [/quote]
But companies from capitalist countries have a tendency to set up facilities in poorer nations and engage in business practices that prevent workers from owning their own labor (practices ranging from actual forced labor to bait-and-switch recruiting practices to firing workers.who try to form unions).

I do see your point that the free market is not what these companies are engaged in. And yet these are companies that were nurtured in the capitalist West, with leaders who often tout the benefits of the free market. What do you call the non-capitalism that capitalists love to promote?[/quote]

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