wow, nice behavior at at McDonalds in Baltimore County

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Anonymous wrote:I am not attempting to excuse it, only to put it in context. There is a difference between two girls saying, "Hey, look, a guy dressed as a girl! What a freak! Let's beat it up!" and two girls saying, "What the hell is a guy doing in the women's room? That's fucked up!"

I don't think the level of violence is justified by any means. If they truly were scared, they simply could have screamed for help or shoved Ms. Poli out and then sought help. They had better options. The violence they demonstrated was disgusting, especially once it became clear that Ms. Poli had no intentions of harming them and that there were bystanders who presumably could have helped if she had.

I'm only offering a possible alternative understanding of the situation, since the typical hand wringing about the downfall of society and description of the two attackers as "animals" is rarely productive and, oddly enough, a far more common reaction when the perpetrators of such attacks are people of color.

Can I say with any confidence that this assuredly the case? Absolutely not. But before we conclude that society is doomed and two young girls are animals undeserving of human consideration, maybe we should step back and try to understand what REALLY happened.


What REALLY happened is they were animals who beat a person beyond what the circumstances required. And make no mistake, the circumstances didn't require ANY violence.


You are an animal. The two girls were assuredly wrong and should be prosecuted. But they were young and stupid and wrong. They are not animals. You disgust me. Coward.


NP here. Uh, yes. YOU disgust me. "Young and stupid" does not explain this behavior. My pre-school aged child knows not to hit people.
They are animals; they acted like animals. They are vile. They are trash. And, I hope they go away for as long as is allowable by law.

I hope someone shows them that video and how utterly disgusting they are and appear. They should be ashamed. They should feel ashamed. Sadly, I doubt they would.


Another new poster here. Completely agree. Young and stupid does not even begin to excuse extreme, horrifying acts of violence like this.

I don't even want to think about the McDonald's employees who stood there and laughed and taped the beating. It makes me imagine my daughter, grown-up, wandering into a public place and being attacked without anyone helping (oh, except for the elderly woman who got punched in the eye for her efforts).



Yes, but with people like the PP who called me a coward holding opinions like that and raising kids, I don't hold much hope for the future.


Yes, I was agreeing with you. I feel exactly the same way. I was one of the first posters. The video made me sick. What's interesting to me is that I hear stories like this all the time but don't think much about them. It was the video that made it so horrifying and real. I can't imagine what went wrong in those girls' lives that they could act so violently. And don't even get me started on the McDonald's employees. I happily live in the District, but the video scared me enough to vow to NEVER stop at an inner-city fast-food restaurant or gas station.

It's one thing to get attacked. It's another thing to have a full staff of McDonald's employees do NOTHING but laugh while a human being is getting beaten so badly that she goes into convulsions.

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I think they didn't do anything because they were girls and probably because the victim was white. I think they would have called the police and taken it seriously if it were a bunch of guys.
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Can someone please summarize the victim's statement for me? I don't have speakers
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Anonymous wrote:I saw this and was sickened, literally had to keep from vomiting. These women are animals. I can't believe this has become fairly common in this country.


Thank you. This is exactly how I felt. I thought I was going to throw up and cry all at the same time.

The "women" are 14 and 18 years old. I don't know how old the third one is since she's not in police custody yet. Perhaps even worse than the girls are the McDonalds employees who watched it, laughing at times. Not one of those able-bodied men tried to stop this. I mean, the beat the girl until she had blood coming out of her mouth and went into convulsions. And those employees just stood there. It took an elderly lady to step in and try to stop them.

I can't get over it. I just can't. I'm so upset.



Don't think they beat a girl. Still doesn't make it right. But vic was a transgender person
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Anonymous wrote:I think they didn't do anything because they were girls and probably because the victim was white. I think they would have called the police and taken it seriously if it were a bunch of guys.


The victim was a dude.
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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please summarize the victim's statement for me? I don't have speakers


They spit in her face and then said something like she was a dude. They kept beating her. No one helped her. The McDonald's workers didn't do anything. The workers told the perpetrators the cops were coming so they could get away.
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Anonymous wrote:I think they didn't do anything because they were girls and probably because the victim was white. I think they would have called the police and taken it seriously if it were a bunch of guys.


The victim was a dude.


I think she is properly classified as a woman, right? A TG female.
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This just made me cry. Why? Why? Why? This I can't. I din't have words. The world is broken.
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The attackers clearly behaved badly and theer is no excuse for their violence. But their actions seemed fueled by some strong negative emotions (Anger? Hate? Jealousy?) which apparently triggered and/or sustained the attacks. What is the excuse of the able-bodied employees who stood back and did nothing to help. They almost sicken me more. Why didn't they try to hold the girls back or at least shout at them to stop the beating? I don't know what society is coming to when people can just stand by and CALMY watch a fellow human beingg having the life beat out of them.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm so disgusted that I'm from that area and thank god everyday that I got out of that trashy place. The sad thing is that my childhood friends are calling this a racially motivated crime. People are throwing around the N word left and right. My 'friend' actually commented that she heard the victim was transgender 'but that doesn't excuse it'. Oh my god!!! And before anyone goes there, the people I grew up with in the area are very clearly and unapologetically racist and have no problem admitting it so I'm not jumping to conclusions with labels. What is so horrible is that if all the people involved were white or even black for that matter, none of the locals would be up in arms over a transgender person being the victim of a hate crime.


Thank you, sincerely, for speaking honestly about the subtext of this thing. You see the nuance of this in the same way that I do--I'm not from there but I am white and felt I would be in the minority with my view of the dynamic going on here.
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Well. Baltimore didn't just recently become this way. I don't mean to disparage anyone's ethnicity but the director John Waters has been chronicling the truly sinister and low racial dynamic in Baltimore for 4 decades. I mean the whole "Divine" history. That video was like a scene from from "Pink Flamingos". The horror is that this is a distinctly "Balimer" scenario: Unspeakably violent, base behavior. I'm sure there are some charming aspects to Baltimore, but it has been like south Jersey (culturally) for a looooong time.
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Anonymous wrote:Well. Baltimore didn't just recently become this way. I don't mean to disparage anyone's ethnicity but the director John Waters has been chronicling the truly sinister and low racial dynamic in Baltimore for 4 decades. I mean the whole "Divine" history. That video was like a scene from from "Pink Flamingos". The horror is that this is a distinctly "Balimer" scenario: Unspeakably violent, base behavior. I'm sure there are some charming aspects to Baltimore, but it has been like south Jersey (culturally) for a looooong time.


dumb post. as if this same scene couldn't have been filmed in the DC metro area. asinine.
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When I first viewed this I was sickened. I knew it was a transgendered person and that just made it all the more poignant and disgraceful at the same time. But after reflecting on the video and recalling some of the elementary school beatings that I witnessed growing up in DC--I will say that those two girls went into a feeding frenzy of violence. It was a classic situation that happens in a group dynamic--there is a very animalistic aspect that effects everyone that is watching--That older woman who intervened may have been the only older white person in the room. She was the "alpha" in that room. The others filming and jeering were cowardly little betas, frightened to take action and vicariously enthralled and terrified of the the level of rage being expressed by those girls. There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR THIS CONDUCT. I'm just trying to analyze what happened there.
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Was it at a neighborhood McDonald's such that there could be dangerous repercussions if customers or the workers helped the outsider victim?
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