What Schools are Considered 2T?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Long ago, the rumor was schools took in 9 th graders with stats that would likely to improve the college acceptance list. True or False?

well, true. but the other way to phrase that is that colleges are looking for the same thing high schools are looking for: the poor kid with potential they can put on the marketing materials, the jock who can win the gold cup and can do the academics, the Richie Rich who can fund the new gym, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t mix K entry vs G9 entry. For example, Grace Church has a lot of kids leaving after G8, so their HS entry is much easier. For K, it’s less than 10% acceptance rate.

And this is the problem - dated, inaccurate information. Grace is retaining a lot more kids than it used to. It still admits a lot of kids as it roughly doubles in size. But more kids are staying. Which is why it has become more competitive. Though like at many other schools, the new kids who start in 9 actually tend to often be the smartest as they are accepted increasingly for academic achievement and not play date performance how much the parents suck up.

Again, for the haters, I am in no way, shape or form saying Grace is TT. Not even close. But it makes a more compelling argument for 2T. Largely depends on how you define it.

I am all for critical debate and discussion. The Trevor hater who was getting criticized and deleted was beyond that. There was zero basis in truth and they were universally calling all kids at a school dumb. That is not OK. And it is not true. Anyone who makes blanket statements about a school is not worth listening to. And anyone that hateful should not be here. Good riddance.

And regarding St. Ann's. That situation festered and was encouraged by the school and is symptomatic about bigger problems there. It is hard to ignore. Totally agree that any school can end up with a rogue teacher so be careful commenting on someone else. But it went way beyond that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t mix K entry vs G9 entry. For example, Grace Church has a lot of kids leaving after G8, so their HS entry is much easier. For K, it’s less than 10% acceptance rate.

And this is the problem - dated, inaccurate information. Grace is retaining a lot more kids than it used to. It still admits a lot of kids as it roughly doubles in size. But more kids are staying. Which is why it has become more competitive. Though like at many other schools, the new kids who start in 9 actually tend to often be the smartest as they are accepted increasingly for academic achievement and not play date performance how much the parents suck up.

Again, for the haters, I am in no way, shape or form saying Grace is TT. Not even close. But it makes a more compelling argument for 2T. Largely depends on how you define it.

I am all for critical debate and discussion. The Trevor hater who was getting criticized and deleted was beyond that. There was zero basis in truth and they were universally calling all kids at a school dumb. That is not OK. And it is not true. Anyone who makes blanket statements about a school is not worth listening to. And anyone that hateful should not be here. Good riddance.

And regarding St. Ann's. That situation festered and was encouraged by the school and is symptomatic about bigger problems there. It is hard to ignore. Totally agree that any school can end up with a rogue teacher so be careful commenting on someone else. But it went way beyond that.

A lot of TTs have informal HR procedures, lax oversight, and do gooderism that can lead to hiring criminals. It isn’t specific to St Ann’s.

The Trevor poster was a clown. But so was at least one of the schools defenders who cursed and went crazy saying it was TT (his or her posts were taken down).

Broader point, getting into a TT and not a school like Grace or Trevor only means the latter was managing yield and knew a top applicant wouldn’t enroll there. It doesn’t mean they are equivalent to TT.

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t mix K entry vs G9 entry. For example, Grace Church has a lot of kids leaving after G8, so their HS entry is much easier. For K, it’s less than 10% acceptance rate.

And this is the problem - dated, inaccurate information. Grace is retaining a lot more kids than it used to. It still admits a lot of kids as it roughly doubles in size. But more kids are staying. Which is why it has become more competitive. Though like at many other schools, the new kids who start in 9 actually tend to often be the smartest as they are accepted increasingly for academic achievement and not play date performance how much the parents suck up.

Again, for the haters, I am in no way, shape or form saying Grace is TT. Not even close. But it makes a more compelling argument for 2T. Largely depends on how you define it.

I am all for critical debate and discussion. The Trevor hater who was getting criticized and deleted was beyond that. There was zero basis in truth and they were universally calling all kids at a school dumb. That is not OK. And it is not true. Anyone who makes blanket statements about a school is not worth listening to. And anyone that hateful should not be here. Good riddance.

And regarding St. Ann's. That situation festered and was encouraged by the school and is symptomatic about bigger problems there. It is hard to ignore. Totally agree that any school can end up with a rogue teacher so be careful commenting on someone else. But it went way beyond that.

A lot of TTs have informal HR procedures, lax oversight, and do gooderism that can lead to hiring criminals. It isn’t specific to St Ann’s.

The Trevor poster was a clown. But so was at least one of the schools defenders who cursed and went crazy saying it was TT (his or her posts were taken down).

Broader point, getting into a TT and not a school like Grace or Trevor only means the latter was managing yield and knew a top applicant wouldn’t enroll there. It doesn’t mean they are equivalent to TT.

Regarding St. Ann's: I only mildly fault them for hiring the guy. I more severely fault them for repeatedly ignoring clear signs of problems. And I think it was willful ignorance due to their particular emphasis on progressivism. And to add context: I am a Democrat and not MAGA, so I am not saying this in a Trumpy way. And I think other schools might have done this to some extent also as most private schools in NYC have this mentality in their DNA, but I think it is particularly strong at St. Ann's which made them more susceptible to this happening.

And regarding Grace and Trevor (and Packer, Friends, etc). Again. No one is claiming they are equivalent to TT. So please stop. Saying that is enabling the lunatics like Trevor hater as it creates a false narrative that never existed.

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t mix K entry vs G9 entry. For example, Grace Church has a lot of kids leaving after G8, so their HS entry is much easier. For K, it’s less than 10% acceptance rate.

And this is the problem - dated, inaccurate information. Grace is retaining a lot more kids than it used to. It still admits a lot of kids as it roughly doubles in size. But more kids are staying. Which is why it has become more competitive. Though like at many other schools, the new kids who start in 9 actually tend to often be the smartest as they are accepted increasingly for academic achievement and not play date performance how much the parents suck up.

Again, for the haters, I am in no way, shape or form saying Grace is TT. Not even close. But it makes a more compelling argument for 2T. Largely depends on how you define it.

I am all for critical debate and discussion. The Trevor hater who was getting criticized and deleted was beyond that. There was zero basis in truth and they were universally calling all kids at a school dumb. That is not OK. And it is not true. Anyone who makes blanket statements about a school is not worth listening to. And anyone that hateful should not be here. Good riddance.

And regarding St. Ann's. That situation festered and was encouraged by the school and is symptomatic about bigger problems there. It is hard to ignore. Totally agree that any school can end up with a rogue teacher so be careful commenting on someone else. But it went way beyond that.

A lot of TTs have informal HR procedures, lax oversight, and do gooderism that can lead to hiring criminals. It isn’t specific to St Ann’s.

The Trevor poster was a clown. But so was at least one of the schools defenders who cursed and went crazy saying it was TT (his or her posts were taken down).

Broader point, getting into a TT and not a school like Grace or Trevor only means the latter was managing yield and knew a top applicant wouldn’t enroll there. It doesn’t mean they are equivalent to TT.

Regarding St. Ann's: I only mildly fault them for hiring the guy. I more severely fault them for repeatedly ignoring clear signs of problems. And I think it was willful ignorance due to their particular emphasis on progressivism. And to add context: I am a Democrat and not MAGA, so I am not saying this in a Trumpy way. And I think other schools might have done this to some extent also as most private schools in NYC have this mentality in their DNA, but I think it is particularly strong at St. Ann's which made them more susceptible to this happening.

And regarding Grace and Trevor (and Packer, Friends, etc). Again. No one is claiming they are equivalent to TT. So please stop. Saying that is enabling the lunatics like Trevor hater as it creates a false narrative that never existed.

Agree regarding the schools’ DNA. Someone on page 1 of this thread literally said Trevor is TT. Idk if it’s bait or a joke on that poster but it is there. I haven’t seen Grace claimed as TT

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t mix K entry vs G9 entry. For example, Grace Church has a lot of kids leaving after G8, so their HS entry is much easier. For K, it’s less than 10% acceptance rate.

And this is the problem - dated, inaccurate information. Grace is retaining a lot more kids than it used to. It still admits a lot of kids as it roughly doubles in size. But more kids are staying. Which is why it has become more competitive. Though like at many other schools, the new kids who start in 9 actually tend to often be the smartest as they are accepted increasingly for academic achievement and not play date performance how much the parents suck up.

Again, for the haters, I am in no way, shape or form saying Grace is TT. Not even close. But it makes a more compelling argument for 2T. Largely depends on how you define it.

I am all for critical debate and discussion. The Trevor hater who was getting criticized and deleted was beyond that. There was zero basis in truth and they were universally calling all kids at a school dumb. That is not OK. And it is not true. Anyone who makes blanket statements about a school is not worth listening to. And anyone that hateful should not be here. Good riddance.

And regarding St. Ann's. That situation festered and was encouraged by the school and is symptomatic about bigger problems there. It is hard to ignore. Totally agree that any school can end up with a rogue teacher so be careful commenting on someone else. But it went way beyond that.

A lot of TTs have informal HR procedures, lax oversight, and do gooderism that can lead to hiring criminals. It isn’t specific to St Ann’s.

The Trevor poster was a clown. But so was at least one of the schools defenders who cursed and went crazy saying it was TT (his or her posts were taken down).

Broader point, getting into a TT and not a school like Grace or Trevor only means the latter was managing yield and knew a top applicant wouldn’t enroll there. It doesn’t mean they are equivalent to TT.

Regarding St. Ann's: I only mildly fault them for hiring the guy. I more severely fault them for repeatedly ignoring clear signs of problems. And I think it was willful ignorance due to their particular emphasis on progressivism. And to add context: I am a Democrat and not MAGA, so I am not saying this in a Trumpy way. And I think other schools might have done this to some extent also as most private schools in NYC have this mentality in their DNA, but I think it is particularly strong at St. Ann's which made them more susceptible to this happening.

And regarding Grace and Trevor (and Packer, Friends, etc). Again. No one is claiming they are equivalent to TT. So please stop. Saying that is enabling the lunatics like Trevor hater as it creates a false narrative that never existed.

Agree regarding the schools’ DNA. Someone on page 1 of this thread literally said Trevor is TT. Idk if it’s bait or a joke on that poster but it is there. I haven’t seen Grace claimed as TT

OK. That is one person. No one else has said that. Agree that it is not true. I can say that Trinity is 4T. Doesn't make it right or worth discussing beyond one person refuting it. And I think it was established that the Trevor TT comment was made in jest to mess with the Trevor hater, not out of seriousness. Let's move on.

That being said, thank you for replying reasonably. Too many loud mouth jerks here.

[Anonymous]

I also regarding St Anns DNA. but also can't overlook their college placement, even now.

GCS is a solid school, but also very much a full pay place. They dont have the endowment TTs have. They dont have the college placement of 2Ts like Regis or St Ann's or, if we were adding publics, schools like Bronx Science or Hunter.

I put GCS on the same tier as Beacon and Poly Prep and Berkeley Carroll. I think that's 3T.

And if I wanted to open a can of worms: I'd also put Avenues in this tier. It's a good education with solid college counseling and outcomes. Also pretty much full pay, but it is what it is

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Anonymous wrote:I also regarding St Anns DNA. but also can't overlook their college placement, even now.

GCS is a solid school, but also very much a full pay place. They dont have the endowment TTs have. They dont have the college placement of 2Ts like Regis or St Ann's or, if we were adding publics, schools like Bronx Science or Hunter.

I put GCS on the same tier as Beacon and Poly Prep and Berkeley Carroll. I think that's 3T.

And if I wanted to open a can of worms: I'd also put Avenues in this tier. It's a good education with solid college counseling and outcomes. Also pretty much full pay, but it is what it is

If you are going to be very granular and say 2T is just Regis, St. Ann's, and maybe Riverdale, then I would agree that Grace is 3T. Though if also being that granular, I would likely differentiate it from Berkeley Carroll and make that 4T. If you are doing a broader view of 2T then Grace sneaks in.

Agreed that Avenues is an odd duck. Probably agree with you on the tiering. But it draws a different crowd. And I know some people who sent their kid for elementary (particularly those who live downtown for whom it was convenient) and maxed out the language portion then applied out as they felt that that was its primary differentiating factor and the HS was not as good.

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t mix K entry vs G9 entry. For example, Grace Church has a lot of kids leaving after G8, so their HS entry is much easier. For K, it’s less than 10% acceptance rate.

And this is the problem - dated, inaccurate information. Grace is retaining a lot more kids than it used to. It still admits a lot of kids as it roughly doubles in size. But more kids are staying. Which is why it has become more competitive. Though like at many other schools, the new kids who start in 9 actually tend to often be the smartest as they are accepted increasingly for academic achievement and not play date performance how much the parents suck up.

Again, for the haters, I am in no way, shape or form saying Grace is TT. Not even close. But it makes a more compelling argument for 2T. Largely depends on how you define it.

I am all for critical debate and discussion. The Trevor hater who was getting criticized and deleted was beyond that. There was zero basis in truth and they were universally calling all kids at a school dumb. That is not OK. And it is not true. Anyone who makes blanket statements about a school is not worth listening to. And anyone that hateful should not be here. Good riddance.

And regarding St. Ann's. That situation festered and was encouraged by the school and is symptomatic about bigger problems there. It is hard to ignore. Totally agree that any school can end up with a rogue teacher so be careful commenting on someone else. But it went way beyond that.

A lot of TTs have informal HR procedures, lax oversight, and do gooderism that can lead to hiring criminals. It isn’t specific to St Ann’s.

The Trevor poster was a clown. But so was at least one of the schools defenders who cursed and went crazy saying it was TT (his or her posts were taken down).

Broader point, getting into a TT and not a school like Grace or Trevor only means the latter was managing yield and knew a top applicant wouldn’t enroll there. It doesn’t mean they are equivalent to TT.

Regarding St. Ann's: I only mildly fault them for hiring the guy. I more severely fault them for repeatedly ignoring clear signs of problems. And I think it was willful ignorance due to their particular emphasis on progressivism. And to add context: I am a Democrat and not MAGA, so I am not saying this in a Trumpy way. And I think other schools might have done this to some extent also as most private schools in NYC have this mentality in their DNA, but I think it is particularly strong at St. Ann's which made them more susceptible to this happening.

And regarding Grace and Trevor (and Packer, Friends, etc). Again. No one is claiming they are equivalent to TT. So please stop. Saying that is enabling the lunatics like Trevor hater as it creates a false narrative that never existed.

Agree regarding the schools’ DNA. Someone on page 1 of this thread literally said Trevor is TT. Idk if it’s bait or a joke on that poster but it is there. I haven’t seen Grace claimed as TT

I immediately took that post as sarcasm and the poster later explained that they made a joke following the recent debate about Trevor.

[Anonymous]

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I personally dont see the appeal of some of the TTs and wouldn't send my kids to HM no matter what - and would def send them to Regis (if I was a catholic) or St Ann's before it and a couple others - it's not really about "what's best this year".

What’s wrong with HM?

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Anonymous wrote:I also regarding St Anns DNA. but also can't overlook their college placement, even now.

GCS is a solid school, but also very much a full pay place. They dont have the endowment TTs have. They dont have the college placement of 2Ts like Regis or St Ann's or, if we were adding publics, schools like Bronx Science or Hunter.

I put GCS on the same tier as Beacon and Poly Prep and Berkeley Carroll. I think that's 3T.

And if I wanted to open a can of worms: I'd also put Avenues in this tier. It's a good education with solid college counseling and outcomes. Also pretty much full pay, but it is what it is

If you are going to be very granular and say 2T is just Regis, St. Ann's, and maybe Riverdale, then I would agree that Grace is 3T. Though if also being that granular, I would likely differentiate it from Berkeley Carroll and make that 4T. If you are doing a broader view of 2T then Grace sneaks in.

Agreed that Avenues is an odd duck. Probably agree with you on the tiering. But it draws a different crowd. And I know some people who sent their kid for elementary (particularly those who live downtown for whom it was convenient) and maxed out the language portion then applied out as they felt that that was its primary differentiating factor and the HS was not as good.

Having a narrow and granular 2T is better. Those are a cut above the 3Ts you listed.

Where would you put St B Buckley St D and AS if you had to categorize them for K-8/9?

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Anonymous wrote:I also regarding St Anns DNA. but also can't overlook their college placement, even now.

GCS is a solid school, but also very much a full pay place. They dont have the endowment TTs have. They dont have the college placement of 2Ts like Regis or St Ann's or, if we were adding publics, schools like Bronx Science or Hunter.

I put GCS on the same tier as Beacon and Poly Prep and Berkeley Carroll. I think that's 3T.

And if I wanted to open a can of worms: I'd also put Avenues in this tier. It's a good education with solid college counseling and outcomes. Also pretty much full pay, but it is what it is

If you are going to be very granular and say 2T is just Regis, St. Ann's, and maybe Riverdale, then I would agree that Grace is 3T. Though if also being that granular, I would likely differentiate it from Berkeley Carroll and make that 4T. If you are doing a broader view of 2T then Grace sneaks in.

Agreed that Avenues is an odd duck. Probably agree with you on the tiering. But it draws a different crowd. And I know some people who sent their kid for elementary (particularly those who live downtown for whom it was convenient) and maxed out the language portion then applied out as they felt that that was its primary differentiating factor and the HS was not as good.

Okay, I'll try. I agree that GCS is getting rising in ranks - just 3-4 years ago they'd take anyone who could pay and was tier 4 - but it's not tier 2. I don't have deep insight into all these schools so this is just my take as a person who has two kids in private high schools in nyc, has been through the application process twice as an unhooked family, and follows college placement somewhat. I'm sure there are glaring errors.

(these aren't ranked within tiers)

tier 1
Trinity
Collegiate
Dalton
Spence
Brearley
HM
Chapin

tier 2
St Ann's
Regis
Riverdale
Fieldstone
Marymount
Sacred Heart
Nightingale

tier 3
Loyola
GCS
Packer
Poly
Avenues
Friends Seminary

Tier 4
BFS
BC
Basis
Hewitt
Dwight
Trevor
Calhoun
Hackley
Lycée
UNIS
Xavier/Fordham Prep
Notre Dame/DA/SVF

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also regarding St Anns DNA. but also can't overlook their college placement, even now.

GCS is a solid school, but also very much a full pay place. They dont have the endowment TTs have. They dont have the college placement of 2Ts like Regis or St Ann's or, if we were adding publics, schools like Bronx Science or Hunter.

I put GCS on the same tier as Beacon and Poly Prep and Berkeley Carroll. I think that's 3T.

And if I wanted to open a can of worms: I'd also put Avenues in this tier. It's a good education with solid college counseling and outcomes. Also pretty much full pay, but it is what it is

If you are going to be very granular and say 2T is just Regis, St. Ann's, and maybe Riverdale, then I would agree that Grace is 3T. Though if also being that granular, I would likely differentiate it from Berkeley Carroll and make that 4T. If you are doing a broader view of 2T then Grace sneaks in.

Agreed that Avenues is an odd duck. Probably agree with you on the tiering. But it draws a different crowd. And I know some people who sent their kid for elementary (particularly those who live downtown for whom it was convenient) and maxed out the language portion then applied out as they felt that that was its primary differentiating factor and the HS was not as good.

Okay, I'll try. I agree that GCS is getting rising in ranks - just 3-4 years ago they'd take anyone who could pay and was tier 4 - but it's not tier 2. I don't have deep insight into all these schools so this is just my take as a person who has two kids in private high schools in nyc, has been through the application process twice as an unhooked family, and follows college placement somewhat. I'm sure there are glaring errors.

(these aren't ranked within tiers)

tier 1
Trinity
Collegiate
Dalton
Spence
Brearley
HM
Chapin

tier 2
St Ann's
Regis
Riverdale
Fieldstone
Marymount
Sacred Heart
Nightingale

tier 3
Loyola
GCS
Packer
Poly
Avenues
Friends Seminary

Tier 4
BFS
BC
Basis
Hewitt
Dwight
Trevor
Calhoun
Hackley
Lycée
UNIS
Xavier/Fordham Prep
Notre Dame/DA/SVF

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+1 to this. Except Riv and Saint Ann’s are more difficult admits for K than their 2T ranking would otherwise suggest.

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+1 more or less. I base a lot of this on how hard is it to get in even if you're a full pay family. Tier 1 and Tier 2 are hard or very hard (or very very hard) admits. Tier 3 not so much. Tier 4 not at all.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 7 TT schools.

Then there are schools that many people would consider highly selective that aren't on that list - think Regis and St Anns - those are 2T.

In no world is Regis a 2T. That is one of the most selective schools in the country.

If you keep repeating “There are 7 TT” enough maybe it will become true?

You must be new.

And you may be struck in UB times.

TT school definition is not equal to - say - Ivy League. It is a subjective classification used by parents familiar with the NYC private school scene. It may evolve over time. This thread illustrates that the line between 2T and 3T is already very blurry and that the statement “there are 7 TT schools” may also be up for debate.

Be our guest and argue there are more than 7, at least provide realistic additions like Riverdale or St Ann’s, and stop repeating Regis or Trevor or Grace to the end of times. They aren’t TT.

No one has argued Grace and Trevor are TT. I have not seen that anywhere. More that they are 2T and not 3T. Though one person here thinks Trevor is 8T because they have a childish vendetta against the school and like hijacking threads.

One can make a compelling argument for Regis as TT but I think it is generally accepted as 2T.

Regis is 2T. It has very niche appeal that works for some. It’s like comparing TT and Stuy, they’re completely different and you can make a case for either but shouldn’t be lumped together.

I tend to agree and I think that most people here agree as well. I think they are just saying there is an asterisk as there are likely plenty of kids turning down TT's for Regis (with cost factoring into that). To your point, same for Stuy and Bronx Science, but like you said, they also don't get lumped in.

Regis is not an apples to apples comparison to any other school. You can't even sit for the test if you're not baptized Catholic. It's in a category of its own and not worth arguing over what tier it's in.

you can't apply to Collegiate unless you're a boy. most dont apply to any of these unless they have some money - we're not putting Stuy or Hunter in here. But anyway, the TT list was set a long time ago. Regis is 2T

Regis is one of the premier high schools in the country. It’s ridiculous to say it’s anything but a top tier institution. Clearly these categories are about money and not institutional quality. Someone said that Nighingale and CSH were the only undisputed 2Ts. This sort of proves my point. They are both old money schools.

+ 1. Why do some moms think they’re Jeff? They aren’t moderators. There’s the endless Brearley stuff: a woman constantly posts “do I have to report you again?” just because another doesn’t like the school. It’s so obnoxious, the tattletale nastiness. If you’re thrilled about where your children attend, you would never attack in response.

Regis (I don’t have boys, I know a few graduates, and I know an incoming freshman) is an excellent school. If you’re looking at non-zoned public options in the city, you’ll have questions about it! Where it slots in relation to other schools is a normal inquiry FGS.

Now you’re whining on this thread? Let. It. Go.

Not me, again. We can each post what we want, just as you want to be a rude crybaby per your personality disorder(s).

Jeff is deleting your posts on a very specific topic because he agrees that they are inappropriate. I don’t personally care about your opinion on schools in general.

None of my posts have been deleted. You are really out of control and need to learn to manage your emotions.

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