What Schools are Considered 2T?

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Anonymous wrote:Fieldston, CSH, Nightingale, St Anns, maybe Packer. Riverdale I would say has graduated to TT.

This is solid. Then 3T CGP, Trevor, Dwight, Birch

Not to be a hater but Dwight and Birch are lower than CGP and Trevor. Though Birch, which was getting kind of iffy, apparently has been moving up in the world.

Correct, BWL, while a lovely school, is nowhere near these schools. Also, Regis is a different kettle of fish, but academically is TT. To say anything else is insane.

As someone who recently went through the process, I think there are two different times you can rank schools, and the list of 2T/3Ts will be different for K entry and HS entry, St. Ann's and Riverdale are TT for that. For HS entry, Nightingale, Sacred Heart, Marymount, Friends, Packer, Browning, CGP, Fieldston, are harder to get into. For the most part, these are schools you don't bother applying to unless you have certain test scores and grades in your K-8 (and are unconnected). Then schools that had more wiggle room were Grace, Trevor, Poly (particularly if you are rich and/or an athlete), Berkeley Carroll, Dwight, LREI, Hewitt and last was BWL and York Prep. To their credit, they take a range of students, and I saw the most diversity of class levels there...everything from a class of 4 students taking AP Physics, to a "culture of language" class for students who weren't able to take a language. It felt like they truly met students where they were, and worked as hard to challenge their brightest students as they did to support their ADHD program kids.

Outliers that seemed to exist in their own bubbles--Loyola (although for Catholics and people who know, a 2T school), Xavier/Fordham Prep/Dominican, Avenues, Leman, UNIS...I'm sure I missed some, but this is off the top of my head.

Lots of great points though I would move Grace up with the prior group. It has changed in recent years and I know a number of kids who got in there and not others in that peer group and a number of other kids who turned down peers (and even some TTs) for Grace. There are occasionally some exceptions at all schools but overall your groups are pretty good. Not sure about Browning and Packer being in 2 but not strongly opposed. And Trevor is at the top end of that subgroup, also pushing the higher group. Calhoun is also in the Dwight/LREI group. Leman is with York Prep - I don't see it being in a bubble. As others have said, Fieldston is a weird mix that is coasting on past reputation. It still has some very smart kids and families but loosened things up a lot too. I think they lost a lot of kids around Covid as they seemed to accept anyone with a pulse for a few years around then.

Packer Browning and Trevor above Poly? Come on

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fieldston, CSH, Nightingale, St Anns, maybe Packer. Riverdale I would say has graduated to TT.

This is solid. Then 3T CGP, Trevor, Dwight, Birch

Not to be a hater but Dwight and Birch are lower than CGP and Trevor. Though Birch, which was getting kind of iffy, apparently has been moving up in the world.

Correct, BWL, while a lovely school, is nowhere near these schools. Also, Regis is a different kettle of fish, but academically is TT. To say anything else is insane.

As someone who recently went through the process, I think there are two different times you can rank schools, and the list of 2T/3Ts will be different for K entry and HS entry, St. Ann's and Riverdale are TT for that. For HS entry, Nightingale, Sacred Heart, Marymount, Friends, Packer, Browning, CGP, Fieldston, are harder to get into. For the most part, these are schools you don't bother applying to unless you have certain test scores and grades in your K-8 (and are unconnected). Then schools that had more wiggle room were Grace, Trevor, Poly (particularly if you are rich and/or an athlete), Berkeley Carroll, Dwight, LREI, Hewitt and last was BWL and York Prep. To their credit, they take a range of students, and I saw the most diversity of class levels there...everything from a class of 4 students taking AP Physics, to a "culture of language" class for students who weren't able to take a language. It felt like they truly met students where they were, and worked as hard to challenge their brightest students as they did to support their ADHD program kids.

Outliers that seemed to exist in their own bubbles--Loyola (although for Catholics and people who know, a 2T school), Xavier/Fordham Prep/Dominican, Avenues, Leman, UNIS...I'm sure I missed some, but this is off the top of my head.

Lots of great points though I would move Grace up with the prior group. It has changed in recent years and I know a number of kids who got in there and not others in that peer group and a number of other kids who turned down peers (and even some TTs) for Grace. There are occasionally some exceptions at all schools but overall your groups are pretty good. Not sure about Browning and Packer being in 2 but not strongly opposed. And Trevor is at the top end of that subgroup, also pushing the higher group. Calhoun is also in the Dwight/LREI group. Leman is with York Prep - I don't see it being in a bubble. As others have said, Fieldston is a weird mix that is coasting on past reputation. It still has some very smart kids and families but loosened things up a lot too. I think they lost a lot of kids around Covid as they seemed to accept anyone with a pulse for a few years around then.

All fair! I think I'm influenced somewhat by looking at admits from my DC's very small K-8...everyone got into Grace and Poly who applied, Trevor was all over the place with who the accepted and who they flat out denied (accepted students with much lower test scores and grades over high achievers who got into "better" schools), while Browning, CGP, Friends, Packer, etc. had a more mixed bag...kids who got wait listed at Browning got into Packer, kids who got into Nightingale for wait-listed at Marymount, etc.

Leman is one of those schools I feel like everyone looks at, but I don't know anyone who goes there (for the record, it seemed fine, particularly if you want to go to college abroad) which is why I said it was in a bubble--probably more of a Dwight, you're right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are 7 TT schools.

Then there are schools that many people would consider highly selective that aren't on that list - think Regis and St Anns - those are 2T.

In no world is Regis a 2T. That is one of the most selective schools in the country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fieldston, CSH, Nightingale, St Anns, maybe Packer. Riverdale I would say has graduated to TT.

This is solid. Then 3T CGP, Trevor, Dwight, Birch

Not to be a hater but Dwight and Birch are lower than CGP and Trevor. Though Birch, which was getting kind of iffy, apparently has been moving up in the world.

Correct, BWL, while a lovely school, is nowhere near these schools. Also, Regis is a different kettle of fish, but academically is TT. To say anything else is insane.

As someone who recently went through the process, I think there are two different times you can rank schools, and the list of 2T/3Ts will be different for K entry and HS entry, St. Ann's and Riverdale are TT for that. For HS entry, Nightingale, Sacred Heart, Marymount, Friends, Packer, Browning, CGP, Fieldston, are harder to get into. For the most part, these are schools you don't bother applying to unless you have certain test scores and grades in your K-8 (and are unconnected). Then schools that had more wiggle room were Grace, Trevor, Poly (particularly if you are rich and/or an athlete), Berkeley Carroll, Dwight, LREI, Hewitt and last was BWL and York Prep. To their credit, they take a range of students, and I saw the most diversity of class levels there...everything from a class of 4 students taking AP Physics, to a "culture of language" class for students who weren't able to take a language. It felt like they truly met students where they were, and worked as hard to challenge their brightest students as they did to support their ADHD program kids.

Outliers that seemed to exist in their own bubbles--Loyola (although for Catholics and people who know, a 2T school), Xavier/Fordham Prep/Dominican, Avenues, Leman, UNIS...I'm sure I missed some, but this is off the top of my head.

Lots of great points though I would move Grace up with the prior group. It has changed in recent years and I know a number of kids who got in there and not others in that peer group and a number of other kids who turned down peers (and even some TTs) for Grace. There are occasionally some exceptions at all schools but overall your groups are pretty good. Not sure about Browning and Packer being in 2 but not strongly opposed. And Trevor is at the top end of that subgroup, also pushing the higher group. Calhoun is also in the Dwight/LREI group. Leman is with York Prep - I don't see it being in a bubble. As others have said, Fieldston is a weird mix that is coasting on past reputation. It still has some very smart kids and families but loosened things up a lot too. I think they lost a lot of kids around Covid as they seemed to accept anyone with a pulse for a few years around then.

All fair! I think I'm influenced somewhat by looking at admits from my DC's very small K-8...everyone got into Grace and Poly who applied, Trevor was all over the place with who the accepted and who they flat out denied (accepted students with much lower test scores and grades over high achievers who got into "better" schools), while Browning, CGP, Friends, Packer, etc. had a more mixed bag...kids who got wait listed at Browning got into Packer, kids who got into Nightingale for wait-listed at Marymount, etc.

Leman is one of those schools I feel like everyone looks at, but I don't know anyone who goes there (for the record, it seemed fine, particularly if you want to go to college abroad) which is why I said it was in a bubble--probably more of a Dwight, you're right.

This is interesting. We're also at a small K-8 but people are encouraged not to talk much about their admissions results so not really sure what everyone's options were. My kid got into Browning but waitpooled at Packer. His teacher was surprised by the Packer result but said that sometimes they deny the higher achievers. Based on some of the kids admitted that may be true, although none of them are going to Packer. My kid also got into Friends and they also accepted a handful of other kids from our school. Wish we had better idea of the acceptance rates at some of these schools. You're really going in blind. There are a lot more options for girls. I think Nightingale and CSH will take so-so students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are 7 TT schools.

Then there are schools that many people would consider highly selective that aren't on that list - think Regis and St Anns - those are 2T.

In no world is Regis a 2T. That is one of the most selective schools in the country.

There are 7 TT and Regis isn't one of them. Great school though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 7 TT schools.

Then there are schools that many people would consider highly selective that aren't on that list - think Regis and St Anns - those are 2T.

In no world is Regis a 2T. That is one of the most selective schools in the country.

If you keep repeating “There are 7 TT” enough maybe it will become true?

There are 7 TT and Regis isn't one of them. Great school though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 7 TT schools.

Then there are schools that many people would consider highly selective that aren't on that list - think Regis and St Anns - those are 2T.

In no world is Regis a 2T. That is one of the most selective schools in the country.

If you keep repeating “There are 7 TT” enough maybe it will become true?

You must be new.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fieldston, CSH, Nightingale, St Anns, maybe Packer. Riverdale I would say has graduated to TT.

This is solid. Then 3T CGP, Trevor, Dwight, Birch

Not to be a hater but Dwight and Birch are lower than CGP and Trevor. Though Birch, which was getting kind of iffy, apparently has been moving up in the world.

Correct, BWL, while a lovely school, is nowhere near these schools. Also, Regis is a different kettle of fish, but academically is TT. To say anything else is insane.

As someone who recently went through the process, I think there are two different times you can rank schools, and the list of 2T/3Ts will be different for K entry and HS entry, St. Ann's and Riverdale are TT for that. For HS entry, Nightingale, Sacred Heart, Marymount, Friends, Packer, Browning, CGP, Fieldston, are harder to get into. For the most part, these are schools you don't bother applying to unless you have certain test scores and grades in your K-8 (and are unconnected). Then schools that had more wiggle room were Grace, Trevor, Poly (particularly if you are rich and/or an athlete), Berkeley Carroll, Dwight, LREI, Hewitt and last was BWL and York Prep. To their credit, they take a range of students, and I saw the most diversity of class levels there...everything from a class of 4 students taking AP Physics, to a "culture of language" class for students who weren't able to take a language. It felt like they truly met students where they were, and worked as hard to challenge their brightest students as they did to support their ADHD program kids.

Outliers that seemed to exist in their own bubbles--Loyola (although for Catholics and people who know, a 2T school), Xavier/Fordham Prep/Dominican, Avenues, Leman, UNIS...I'm sure I missed some, but this is off the top of my head.

Lots of great points though I would move Grace up with the prior group. It has changed in recent years and I know a number of kids who got in there and not others in that peer group and a number of other kids who turned down peers (and even some TTs) for Grace. There are occasionally some exceptions at all schools but overall your groups are pretty good. Not sure about Browning and Packer being in 2 but not strongly opposed. And Trevor is at the top end of that subgroup, also pushing the higher group. Calhoun is also in the Dwight/LREI group. Leman is with York Prep - I don't see it being in a bubble. As others have said, Fieldston is a weird mix that is coasting on past reputation. It still has some very smart kids and families but loosened things up a lot too. I think they lost a lot of kids around Covid as they seemed to accept anyone with a pulse for a few years around then.

All fair! I think I'm influenced somewhat by looking at admits from my DC's very small K-8...everyone got into Grace and Poly who applied, Trevor was all over the place with who the accepted and who they flat out denied (accepted students with much lower test scores and grades over high achievers who got into "better" schools), while Browning, CGP, Friends, Packer, etc. had a more mixed bag...kids who got wait listed at Browning got into Packer, kids who got into Nightingale for wait-listed at Marymount, etc.

Leman is one of those schools I feel like everyone looks at, but I don't know anyone who goes there (for the record, it seemed fine, particularly if you want to go to college abroad) which is why I said it was in a bubble--probably more of a Dwight, you're right.

This is interesting. We're also at a small K-8 but people are encouraged not to talk much about their admissions results so not really sure what everyone's options were. My kid got into Browning but waitpooled at Packer. His teacher was surprised by the Packer result but said that sometimes they deny the higher achievers. Based on some of the kids admitted that may be true, although none of them are going to Packer. My kid also got into Friends and they also accepted a handful of other kids from our school. Wish we had better idea of the acceptance rates at some of these schools. You're really going in blind. There are a lot more options for girls. I think Nightingale and CSH will take so-so students.

Packer and Grace Church waitlisted both of my DCs who ended up at different TT schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 7 TT schools.

Then there are schools that many people would consider highly selective that aren't on that list - think Regis and St Anns - those are 2T.

In no world is Regis a 2T. That is one of the most selective schools in the country.

If you keep repeating “There are 7 TT” enough maybe it will become true?

You must be new.

And you may be struck in UB times.

TT school definition is not equal to - say - Ivy League. It is a subjective classification used by parents familiar with the NYC private school scene. It may evolve over time. This thread illustrates that the line between 2T and 3T is already very blurry and that the statement “there are 7 TT schools” may also be up for debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fieldston, CSH, Nightingale, St Anns, maybe Packer. Riverdale I would say has graduated to TT.

This is solid. Then 3T CGP, Trevor, Dwight, Birch

Not to be a hater but Dwight and Birch are lower than CGP and Trevor. Though Birch, which was getting kind of iffy, apparently has been moving up in the world.

Correct, BWL, while a lovely school, is nowhere near these schools. Also, Regis is a different kettle of fish, but academically is TT. To say anything else is insane.

As someone who recently went through the process, I think there are two different times you can rank schools, and the list of 2T/3Ts will be different for K entry and HS entry, St. Ann's and Riverdale are TT for that. For HS entry, Nightingale, Sacred Heart, Marymount, Friends, Packer, Browning, CGP, Fieldston, are harder to get into. For the most part, these are schools you don't bother applying to unless you have certain test scores and grades in your K-8 (and are unconnected). Then schools that had more wiggle room were Grace, Trevor, Poly (particularly if you are rich and/or an athlete), Berkeley Carroll, Dwight, LREI, Hewitt and last was BWL and York Prep. To their credit, they take a range of students, and I saw the most diversity of class levels there...everything from a class of 4 students taking AP Physics, to a "culture of language" class for students who weren't able to take a language. It felt like they truly met students where they were, and worked as hard to challenge their brightest students as they did to support their ADHD program kids.

Outliers that seemed to exist in their own bubbles--Loyola (although for Catholics and people who know, a 2T school), Xavier/Fordham Prep/Dominican, Avenues, Leman, UNIS...I'm sure I missed some, but this is off the top of my head.

Lots of great points though I would move Grace up with the prior group. It has changed in recent years and I know a number of kids who got in there and not others in that peer group and a number of other kids who turned down peers (and even some TTs) for Grace. There are occasionally some exceptions at all schools but overall your groups are pretty good. Not sure about Browning and Packer being in 2 but not strongly opposed. And Trevor is at the top end of that subgroup, also pushing the higher group. Calhoun is also in the Dwight/LREI group. Leman is with York Prep - I don't see it being in a bubble. As others have said, Fieldston is a weird mix that is coasting on past reputation. It still has some very smart kids and families but loosened things up a lot too. I think they lost a lot of kids around Covid as they seemed to accept anyone with a pulse for a few years around then.

All fair! I think I'm influenced somewhat by looking at admits from my DC's very small K-8...everyone got into Grace and Poly who applied, Trevor was all over the place with who the accepted and who they flat out denied (accepted students with much lower test scores and grades over high achievers who got into "better" schools), while Browning, CGP, Friends, Packer, etc. had a more mixed bag...kids who got wait listed at Browning got into Packer, kids who got into Nightingale for wait-listed at Marymount, etc.

Leman is one of those schools I feel like everyone looks at, but I don't know anyone who goes there (for the record, it seemed fine, particularly if you want to go to college abroad) which is why I said it was in a bubble--probably more of a Dwight, you're right.

I have seen somewhat similar but we saw a few kids get other schools in your group but not Grace, and a few kids choose Grace over some of those schools, which I think is why Grace should definitely be in this group. I think Trevor takes fewer kids for 9 which makes them unique - I agree that I have seen an interesting mix there, and some top kids choose to go there who I thought might go elsewhere.

I have had the sense that Leman fills its class but is kind of looking for bodies, which is why I don't think it is up there.

Poly was historically a solid 2T but it seems to be falling. I think part of this might be to the benefit of Packer, Grace and Friends (and perhaps Avenues - unclear?). Obviously it has a niche for athletic kids, but I don't know people who are really targeting it. I have heard rumblings of unhappiness with their relatively new leadership, though I wouldn't swear to that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 7 TT schools.

Then there are schools that many people would consider highly selective that aren't on that list - think Regis and St Anns - those are 2T.

In no world is Regis a 2T. That is one of the most selective schools in the country.

If you keep repeating “There are 7 TT” enough maybe it will become true?

You must be new.

And you may be struck in UB times.

TT school definition is not equal to - say - Ivy League. It is a subjective classification used by parents familiar with the NYC private school scene. It may evolve over time. This thread illustrates that the line between 2T and 3T is already very blurry and that the statement “there are 7 TT schools” may also be up for debate.

Agree. These schools are all relatively small, so data is not very statistically significant. Particularly because the college process is not fully transparent and has a lot of variables. For colleges there is more history, more transparency about admissions stats, and many more kids so a few outliers don't impact things as much.

I would love to be a fly on the wall to understand how these schools manage their numbers, yields, waitlists, etc. Since their numbers are small, being off a few kids can really impact finances, but they also don't want to accidentally grossly over-enroll. Particularly for 9th grade entry, the number of kids they retain from 8 makes a big difference, though some schools by nature grow more for 9 than others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 7 TT schools.

Then there are schools that many people would consider highly selective that aren't on that list - think Regis and St Anns - those are 2T.

In no world is Regis a 2T. That is one of the most selective schools in the country.

If you keep repeating “There are 7 TT” enough maybe it will become true?

You must be new.

And you may be struck in UB times.

TT school definition is not equal to - say - Ivy League. It is a subjective classification used by parents familiar with the NYC private school scene. It may evolve over time. This thread illustrates that the line between 2T and 3T is already very blurry and that the statement “there are 7 TT schools” may also be up for debate.

Be our guest and argue there are more than 7, at least provide realistic additions like Riverdale or St Ann’s, and stop repeating Regis or Trevor or Grace to the end of times. They aren’t TT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 7 TT schools.

Then there are schools that many people would consider highly selective that aren't on that list - think Regis and St Anns - those are 2T.

In no world is Regis a 2T. That is one of the most selective schools in the country.

If you keep repeating “There are 7 TT” enough maybe it will become true?

You must be new.

And you may be struck in UB times.

TT school definition is not equal to - say - Ivy League. It is a subjective classification used by parents familiar with the NYC private school scene. It may evolve over time. This thread illustrates that the line between 2T and 3T is already very blurry and that the statement “there are 7 TT schools” may also be up for debate.

Be our guest and argue there are more than 7, at least provide realistic additions like Riverdale or St Ann’s, and stop repeating Regis or Trevor or Grace to the end of times. They aren’t TT.

No one has argued Grace and Trevor are TT. I have not seen that anywhere. More that they are 2T and not 3T. Though one person here thinks Trevor is 8T because they have a childish vendetta against the school and like hijacking threads.

One can make a compelling argument for Regis as TT but I think it is generally accepted as 2T.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 7 TT schools.

Then there are schools that many people would consider highly selective that aren't on that list - think Regis and St Anns - those are 2T.

In no world is Regis a 2T. That is one of the most selective schools in the country.

If you keep repeating “There are 7 TT” enough maybe it will become true?

You must be new.

And you may be struck in UB times.

TT school definition is not equal to - say - Ivy League. It is a subjective classification used by parents familiar with the NYC private school scene. It may evolve over time. This thread illustrates that the line between 2T and 3T is already very blurry and that the statement “there are 7 TT schools” may also be up for debate.

Be our guest and argue there are more than 7, at least provide realistic additions like Riverdale or St Ann’s, and stop repeating Regis or Trevor or Grace to the end of times. They aren’t TT.

No one has argued Grace and Trevor are TT. I have not seen that anywhere. More that they are 2T and not 3T. Though one person here thinks Trevor is 8T because they have a childish vendetta against the school and like hijacking threads.

One can make a compelling argument for Regis as TT but I think it is generally accepted as 2T.

Agreed - not sure why this poster is so upset. I wish I had such problems and such lack of reading comprehension.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 7 TT schools.

Then there are schools that many people would consider highly selective that aren't on that list - think Regis and St Anns - those are 2T.

In no world is Regis a 2T. That is one of the most selective schools in the country.

If you keep repeating “There are 7 TT” enough maybe it will become true?

You must be new.

And you may be struck in UB times.

TT school definition is not equal to - say - Ivy League. It is a subjective classification used by parents familiar with the NYC private school scene. It may evolve over time. This thread illustrates that the line between 2T and 3T is already very blurry and that the statement “there are 7 TT schools” may also be up for debate.

Be our guest and argue there are more than 7, at least provide realistic additions like Riverdale or St Ann’s, and stop repeating Regis or Trevor or Grace to the end of times. They aren’t TT.

No one has argued Grace and Trevor are TT. I have not seen that anywhere. More that they are 2T and not 3T. Though one person here thinks Trevor is 8T because they have a childish vendetta against the school and like hijacking threads.

One can make a compelling argument for Regis as TT but I think it is generally accepted as 2T.

Regis is 2T. It has very niche appeal that works for some. It’s like comparing TT and Stuy, they’re completely different and you can make a case for either but shouldn’t be lumped together.