DOJ says Yale medical school discriminated against Asian, White applicants

[Anonymous]

Every premed student applying for med school already knew this lol. But it’s just something they kind of accept. For those who find it unfair, applications are already enough work, they aren’t going to collectively mobilize, it’s just the way of the world — is it even worth it? The other group believes race based admissions is a hopefully temporary ethical obligation. Either way, this isn’t news.

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Anonymous wrote:We all know many colleges discriminate against Asians and whites. It is a liberal trend that current administration tries to revert. Not because they care about law, or fairness, but because they care about predominantly white maga base. What maga doesn't get is that with a pure merit based adminission, top schools like Yale or Harvard will be 80%+ Asian. And it is not because Asian kids are smarter but because they work harder being pushed most of the times by their families. That's the reality like it or not.

Why would maga care if a lot of doctors are Asian? Does maga have respect for doctors of any race?

You didn't get it. Maga care about their white kids not getting into colleges and about them not being able to find white doctors. They blame it on DEI but even without the DEI, their kids will not get higher chances because in a merit based process Asian will fill all the spots.

Asians consistently fail holistic admissions. It’s not racism but rather being one dimensional.

It's not being one dimensional but rather racism.

Cope harder.

Like the Jews back in the days?

The fact that you’re comparing Asians struggling to have a personality on paper to the verifiable Jewish quotas is insane.

Interestingly, DC’s Asian friends who consistently earned top grades in English at our rigorous private got into top schools. DC’s Asian friends that struggled in English didn’t. So clearly there is a correlation between masterful writing ability and college outcomes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

Who said they didn’t meet the qualifications. Your racist arse just made an assumption that the Black applicants weren’t qualified despite the original post stating that they were all SIMILARLY qualified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Like with the SAT, LSAT and GRE, if you are going to admit only high scoring MCAT applicants, then you will have practically no black doctors.

A balance has to be struck but it looks like whatever Yale was doing was pretty close to selecting by race when you get to a 30x advantage.

This is true in the short term. But the reality is that people tend to meet the bar you set for them.

This is another harm of disparate standards, it perpetuates gaps in preparation.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

Who said they didn’t meet the qualifications. Your racist arse just made an assumption that the Black applicants weren’t qualified despite the original post stating that they were all SIMILARLY qualified.

Read it again and think about what it means. Think HARD.

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Anonymous wrote:We all know many colleges discriminate against Asians and whites. It is a liberal trend that current administration tries to revert. Not because they care about law, or fairness, but because they care about predominantly white maga base. What maga doesn't get is that with a pure merit based adminission, top schools like Yale or Harvard will be 80%+ Asian. And it is not because Asian kids are smarter but because they work harder being pushed most of the times by their families. That's the reality like it or not.

Why would maga care if a lot of doctors are Asian? Does maga have respect for doctors of any race?

You didn't get it. Maga care about their white kids not getting into colleges and about them not being able to find white doctors. They blame it on DEI but even without the DEI, their kids will not get higher chances because in a merit based process Asian will fill all the spots.

Asians consistently fail holistic admissions. It’s not racism but rather being one dimensional.

Why do we tolerate these sort of racist statements toward Asian people? If anything the data (at least for college admissions, where we have it) indicate the opposite, that Asian candidates are not one dimensional at all. The number of Asian admits is suppressed by the admissions process because there is a quota.

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Anonymous wrote:We all know many colleges discriminate against Asians and whites. It is a liberal trend that current administration tries to revert. Not because they care about law, or fairness, but because they care about predominantly white maga base. What maga doesn't get is that with a pure merit based adminission, top schools like Yale or Harvard will be 80%+ Asian. And it is not because Asian kids are smarter but because they work harder being pushed most of the times by their families. That's the reality like it or not.

Why would maga care if a lot of doctors are Asian? Does maga have respect for doctors of any race?

You didn't get it. Maga care about their white kids not getting into colleges and about them not being able to find white doctors. They blame it on DEI but even without the DEI, their kids will not get higher chances because in a merit based process Asian will fill all the spots.

Asians consistently fail holistic admissions. It’s not racism but rather being one dimensional.

Why do we tolerate these sort of racist statements toward Asian people? If anything the data (at least for college admissions, where we have it) indicate the opposite, that Asian candidates are not one dimensional at all. The number of Asian admits is suppressed by the admissions process because there is a quota.

So many Asian racists on here. The Asian-Americans we see at my kids' schools are incredibly diverse in interests (team sports, student/local government, music, business). The wave of student accomplishments are impressive.

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Anonymous wrote:We all know many colleges discriminate against Asians and whites. It is a liberal trend that current administration tries to revert. Not because they care about law, or fairness, but because they care about predominantly white maga base. What maga doesn't get is that with a pure merit based adminission, top schools like Yale or Harvard will be 80%+ Asian. And it is not because Asian kids are smarter but because they work harder being pushed most of the times by their families. That's the reality like it or not.

Why would maga care if a lot of doctors are Asian? Does maga have respect for doctors of any race?

You didn't get it. Maga care about their white kids not getting into colleges and about them not being able to find white doctors. They blame it on DEI but even without the DEI, their kids will not get higher chances because in a merit based process Asian will fill all the spots.

Asians consistently fail holistic admissions. It’s not racism but rather being one dimensional.

It's not being one dimensional but rather racism.

Cope harder.

Like the Jews back in the days?

The fact that you’re comparing Asians struggling to have a personality on paper to the verifiable Jewish quotas is insane.

Interestingly, DC’s Asian friends who consistently earned top grades in English at our rigorous private got into top schools. DC’s Asian friends that struggled in English didn’t. So clearly there is a correlation between masterful writing ability and college outcomes.

The fact that you couldn't (refuse to?) see the Asians/Jews similarity is insane. Lack of personality is a convenient excuse, useful back then and useful now.

[Anonymous]

Getting into med school is just the first step. There are many many more exams, etc., and then you need to interview and match for residency. And you better believe residency interviews are going to be bias as hell, since it’s basically just if the current attendings and department chair like you. Many of the top specialties are still “good old boys” clubs.
However, some of the less well paid specialties, such as primary care, pediatrics, and OB are where it is most essential to have diversity and doctors with a good understanding of minority cultures. It absolutely makes a difference if you have a primary care doctor who understands the foods you eat, cultural pressures, lifestyle, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

I agree. As an Indian, I have preferred to only be around other Indians. I live in Herndon, my doctor is Indian, my dentist is Indian, I shop at Patel groceries, there are fantastic Indian restaurants around me. My kids goes to a school with many other Indian kids. I do believe that this ensures the best outcomes health and otherwise for me and my family.

I hope this will not be considered insular.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

I agree. As an Indian, I have preferred to only be around other Indians. I live in Herndon, my doctor is Indian, my dentist is Indian, I shop at Patel groceries, there are fantastic Indian restaurants around me. My kids goes to a school with many other Indian kids. I do believe that this ensures the best outcomes health and otherwise for me and my family.

I hope this will not be considered insular.

My parents (in their 80's) are the same as they speak poor English. But for me and my same generational peers, we have zero preference and just want to pick the most qualified doctors with whom I have good chemistry. I would imagine the same for the next gen.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting into med school is just the first step. There are many many more exams, etc., and then you need to interview and match for residency. And you better believe residency interviews are going to be bias as hell, since it’s basically just if the current attendings and department chair like you. Many of the top specialties are still “good old boys” clubs.
However, some of the less well paid specialties, such as primary care, pediatrics, and OB are where it is most essential to have diversity and doctors with a good understanding of minority cultures. It absolutely makes a difference if you have a primary care doctor who understands the foods you eat, cultural pressures, lifestyle, etc.

You have to be high or have your head in the sand if you don’t think top departments aren’t combing the earth for qualified minority candidates. It’s not 1980.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

I agree. As an Indian, I have preferred to only be around other Indians. I live in Herndon, my doctor is Indian, my dentist is Indian, I shop at Patel groceries, there are fantastic Indian restaurants around me. My kids goes to a school with many other Indian kids. I do believe that this ensures the best outcomes health and otherwise for me and my family.

I hope this will not be considered insular.

Sounds like you know it’s wrong but are trying to just call it insular. The correct term is racist.

[Anonymous]

I’m so tired. Nothing productive has come out of pages of discussion. Nothing is holding back Asian American students: at most top schools they’re 20-30-% of the student body and now at some schools it’s as high as nearly 50%. Black students are entirely underrepresented at the top. We can bicker about the reasons, but that is a fact. These two groups don’t need to be in conversation, because they are not at all connected.

For those looking at med school, don’t take your doctor advice from Dcum. Physicians don’t end their training at med school, and while the white and Asian moms of dcum don’t care about black women dying in hospitals due to patient neglect, some med schools think that’s a worthwhile issue and don’t shrug their shoulders to bias in health. It’s easy to be an unsympathetic a$$hole when you don’t have real issues but need to tell everyone else they’re too lazy or not hardworking enough.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired. Nothing productive has come out of pages of discussion. Nothing is holding back Asian American students: at most top schools they’re 20-30-% of the student body and now at some schools it’s as high as nearly 50%. Black students are entirely underrepresented at the top. We can bicker about the reasons, but that is a fact. These two groups don’t need to be in conversation, because they are not at all connected.

For those looking at med school, don’t take your doctor advice from Dcum. Physicians don’t end their training at med school, and while the white and Asian moms of dcum don’t care about black women dying in hospitals due to patient neglect, some med schools think that’s a worthwhile issue and don’t shrug their shoulders to bias in health. It’s easy to be an unsympathetic a$$hole when you don’t have real issues but need to tell everyone else they’re too lazy or not hardworking enough.

Asian American students are being held back. There is evidence to support that. You have to hold all students to the same admission criteria. If some races do better passing the criteria than others, that just speaks to how hard the individual students have worked.


Stop trying to pretend lower standards for some races is acceptable. Everyone should meet the same high standards.