Being honest with ourselves about injectables

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if OP is the same poster who thinks people on GLP are still "spiritually fat." They get off on the idea they are superior than fat people, and when they no longer have that visual to make themselves feel better, have to fantasize about how their arteries are clearer and their blood is more oxygenated. I actually feel sorry for people like the OP.

I was at a dinner party a couple of weeks ago and a very pretty, thin woman in her 50s was ranting on and on negatively about GLP users. She was so critical, and I knew several of us in the room were on them or had been in the past. No one said a word, so I did. All I said was I had taken them in the past, and they were helpful to lose 30lbs. Of course it was awkward after and she was very quiet then. It's like it's the new politics now with people opposing each other.

I have also experienced these people who have never struggled with their weight GLP-1s ranting against them. They are desperate to maintain the moral high ground they have always felt about overweight people. Now they’re no longer overweight, they need to inveigh against the way they got thin. It’s honestly just mean. We aren’t taking these drugs for fun or because we haven’t spent decades trying and failing every single diet and fad.

With all due respect that’s your problem right there. No one loses weight on fad diets. They are not sustainable. To OPs point it’s about learning to live a healthful lifestyle

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if OP is the same poster who thinks people on GLP are still "spiritually fat." They get off on the idea they are superior than fat people, and when they no longer have that visual to make themselves feel better, have to fantasize about how their arteries are clearer and their blood is more oxygenated. I actually feel sorry for people like the OP.

I was at a dinner party a couple of weeks ago and a very pretty, thin woman in her 50s was ranting on and on negatively about GLP users. She was so critical, and I knew several of us in the room were on them or had been in the past. No one said a word, so I did. All I said was I had taken them in the past, and they were helpful to lose 30lbs. Of course it was awkward after and she was very quiet then. It's like it's the new politics now with people opposing each other.

I have also experienced these people who have never struggled with their weight GLP-1s ranting against them. They are desperate to maintain the moral high ground they have always felt about overweight people. Now they’re no longer overweight, they need to inveigh against the way they got thin. It’s honestly just mean. We aren’t taking these drugs for fun or because we haven’t spent decades trying and failing every single diet and fad.

With all due respect that’s your problem right there. No one loses weight on fad diets. They are not sustainable. To OPs point it’s about learning to live a healthful lifestyle

Just like you can’t treat depression with fads like UV light therapy, you need to lead a more joyful and purposeful life including getting 8hr of sleep, 45min of exercise a day, a balanced diet, and a healthy dose of either meditation or prayer, hobbies you enjoy, and a cup half full perspective that you actively work on every day. Being happy is a choice.

[Anonymous]

This is a completely ridiculous thread. For many people GLP-1 make them healthier regardless of weight change - they are shown to relieve type 2 diabetes and that is what they were originally developed to treat. It also seems to treat pre-diabetes. It tends to lower cholesterol. It has even been shown to help those with addictions - preventing relapse and lowering overdose rates. ALl the old stuff about healthy lifestyle still stands too -- we need to eat right and exercise. Go find some other thing to complain about, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with people who use GLP-1s but these responses are unhinged. It looks like lots of folks need some therapy as a result of their medication use.

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[Anonymous]

OP, you could open your mind to the possibility that these drugs can be helpful and that it will change the fitness and wellness world. It reminds me of reading Listening to Prozac where the doctor realized what a game changer SSRIs were for patients. He learned something. Maybe you could work with people who've lost weight to help them sustain their losses and get healthier with cardio, good diet, etc. Even though meds can help depression and anxiety, talk therapy still exists. You can become a partner rather than an adversary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if OP is the same poster who thinks people on GLP are still "spiritually fat." They get off on the idea they are superior than fat people, and when they no longer have that visual to make themselves feel better, have to fantasize about how their arteries are clearer and their blood is more oxygenated. I actually feel sorry for people like the OP.

I was at a dinner party a couple of weeks ago and a very pretty, thin woman in her 50s was ranting on and on negatively about GLP users. She was so critical, and I knew several of us in the room were on them or had been in the past. No one said a word, so I did. All I said was I had taken them in the past, and they were helpful to lose 30lbs. Of course it was awkward after and she was very quiet then. It's like it's the new politics now with people opposing each other.

I have also experienced these people who have never struggled with their weight GLP-1s ranting against them. They are desperate to maintain the moral high ground they have always felt about overweight people. Now they’re no longer overweight, they need to inveigh against the way they got thin. It’s honestly just mean. We aren’t taking these drugs for fun or because we haven’t spent decades trying and failing every single diet and fad.

People also lose a ton of weight when they're addicted to street drugs or imprisoned for a plethora of reasons. Should we champion that weight loss the same way? Losing weight means you're healthier, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if OP is the same poster who thinks people on GLP are still "spiritually fat." They get off on the idea they are superior than fat people, and when they no longer have that visual to make themselves feel better, have to fantasize about how their arteries are clearer and their blood is more oxygenated. I actually feel sorry for people like the OP.

I was at a dinner party a couple of weeks ago and a very pretty, thin woman in her 50s was ranting on and on negatively about GLP users. She was so critical, and I knew several of us in the room were on them or had been in the past. No one said a word, so I did. All I said was I had taken them in the past, and they were helpful to lose 30lbs. Of course it was awkward after and she was very quiet then. It's like it's the new politics now with people opposing each other.

I have also experienced these people who have never struggled with their weight GLP-1s ranting against them. They are desperate to maintain the moral high ground they have always felt about overweight people. Now they’re no longer overweight, they need to inveigh against the way they got thin. It’s honestly just mean. We aren’t taking these drugs for fun or because we haven’t spent decades trying and failing every single diet and fad.

People also lose a ton of weight when they're addicted to street drugs or imprisoned for a plethora of reasons. Should we champion that weight loss the same way? Losing weight means you're healthier, right?

How can you be this proudly stupid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, you could open your mind to the possibility that these drugs can be helpful and that it will change the fitness and wellness world. It reminds me of reading Listening to Prozac where the doctor realized what a game changer SSRIs were for patients. He learned something. Maybe you could work with people who've lost weight to help them sustain their losses and get healthier with cardio, good diet, etc. Even though meds can help depression and anxiety, talk therapy still exists. You can become a partner rather than an adversary.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Phew a lot of triggered GLP-1 users on this thread… if anything y’all just proved the OP’s point.

OK now do the same but with depression- people with depression, who stop taking those pills, are just going to be depressed all over again, amirite? But man, do they get judgmental when we point out that the only reason they aren't depressed is because they're medicated. If they worked harder at their attitudes and their life outlook, instead of copping out by taking Zoloft, they'd actually BE happy. As it is, they're just happy because of the medication. As long as they own the fact that it's different, and let everyone know that they're taking Zoloft, then be my guest- but it's not the same as true happiness the old fashioned way.

I think a better comparison would be the COVID vaccine.

Both are:
Shots
Rushed to the market (like a lot of these new GLP-1s are, not all, but A LOT of new ones are suddenly popping up)
Resulted from significant public health hazards (COVID & Obesity are both categorized as such)
Unknown long term side effects
Cause short term side effects in some people and not in others
Needed for a specific subsection of the population
Not needed for the healthy population
Have die hard supporters and adversaries
Have people who are proud to have taken it
Have people who lied about taking it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There has been some discussion on here recently of people being offended when being asked how they lost weight. And I have noticed through personal experience that a lot of people who are on injectables either don't want people to know they are or get offended when they're asked if they are. For whatever personal reason they have, I think we can all agree we are seeing more and more of it. Whether they just don't want people to know, are ashamed, or want people to think they dieted and exercised it off. Doesn't matter. What does matter is the following:

As a registered dietician and personal trainer, I think it's very important for injectable users to be honest with themselves in regards to this statement:

Weight loss does not automatically equal increased health.

The shot does not give you a better cardio. The shot does not increase oxygen levels in the blood. The shot does not stop further buildup of plaque in your arteries. The shot does not make your heart stronger. The shot does not increase bone density. The shot does not increase lean muscle mass. The shot does not enhance your immune system.

I could go on and on. The moral of the story is, just because you have lost weight from the shot, does not automatically mean you are now healthier. Do you weigh less, yes. Are you eating less and has the food noise stopped, sure. But without exercise and a proper diet (the old fashioned way), you are still just as out of shape as you always were.

Mmkay. Tell that to my blood work which is absolutely perfect since I started taking a GLP-1 and the energy I have to actually work out now.

You're just realizing that people can do it without you now...

This. Now I am able to work out and control my eating. I’ve lost 52 pounds. My bloodwork, cardio capacity, and strength are near where they were in when I was in the best shape of my life in my 20’s. I’m 58 now. Naysayers don’t understand that you don’t take the medication and sit there and wait for the weight to fall off. Most, not all, people on GLP1s eat a healthy, controlled diet and do cardio and strength training.

I went to a dietician when I first started and she fully supported the medication. I worked with her for a few months, she got me on track with what/how to eat. I worked out on my own (mostly walking and biking) and started weight training a few months ago. I have muscle definition that I haven’t had in 30 years.

If done the right way, GLP1s work. Face it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if OP is the same poster who thinks people on GLP are still "spiritually fat." They get off on the idea they are superior than fat people, and when they no longer have that visual to make themselves feel better, have to fantasize about how their arteries are clearer and their blood is more oxygenated. I actually feel sorry for people like the OP.

I was at a dinner party a couple of weeks ago and a very pretty, thin woman in her 50s was ranting on and on negatively about GLP users. She was so critical, and I knew several of us in the room were on them or had been in the past. No one said a word, so I did. All I said was I had taken them in the past, and they were helpful to lose 30lbs. Of course it was awkward after and she was very quiet then. It's like it's the new politics now with people opposing each other.

I have also experienced these people who have never struggled with their weight GLP-1s ranting against them. They are desperate to maintain the moral high ground they have always felt about overweight people. Now they’re no longer overweight, they need to inveigh against the way they got thin. It’s honestly just mean. We aren’t taking these drugs for fun or because we haven’t spent decades trying and failing every single diet and fad.

People also lose a ton of weight when they're addicted to street drugs or imprisoned for a plethora of reasons. Should we champion that weight loss the same way? Losing weight means you're healthier, right?

How can you be this proudly stupid?

Ask that to dozens of people who have proudly replied in this thread with some variation of, "Losing weight alone has made me healthier".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There has been some discussion on here recently of people being offended when being asked how they lost weight. And I have noticed through personal experience that a lot of people who are on injectables either don't want people to know they are or get offended when they're asked if they are. For whatever personal reason they have, I think we can all agree we are seeing more and more of it. Whether they just don't want people to know, are ashamed, or want people to think they dieted and exercised it off. Doesn't matter. What does matter is the following:

As a registered dietician and personal trainer, I think it's very important for injectable users to be honest with themselves in regards to this statement:

Weight loss does not automatically equal increased health.

The shot does not give you a better cardio. The shot does not increase oxygen levels in the blood. The shot does not stop further buildup of plaque in your arteries. The shot does not make your heart stronger. The shot does not increase bone density. The shot does not increase lean muscle mass. The shot does not enhance your immune system.


I could go on and on. The moral of the story is, just because you have lost weight from the shot, does not automatically mean you are now healthier. Do you weigh less, yes. Are you eating less and has the food noise stopped, sure. But without exercise and a proper diet (the old fashioned way), you are still just as out of shape as you always were.

Mmkay. Tell that to my blood work which is absolutely perfect since I started taking a GLP-1 and the energy I have to actually work out now.

You're just realizing that people can do it without you now...

This. Now I am able to work out and control my eating. I’ve lost 52 pounds. My bloodwork, cardio capacity, and strength are near where they were in when I was in the best shape of my life in my 20’s. I’m 58 now. Naysayers don’t understand that you don’t take the medication and sit there and wait for the weight to fall off. Most, not all, people on GLP1s eat a healthy, controlled diet and do cardio and strength training.

I went to a dietician when I first started and she fully supported the medication. I worked with her for a few months, she got me on track with what/how to eat. I worked out on my own (mostly walking and biking) and started weight training a few months ago. I have muscle definition that I haven’t had in 30 years.

If done the right way, GLP1s work. Face it.

This directly aligns with what the OP was saying. Diet, healthy eating, and exercise...

People are so quick to defend their precious shot that they've reiterated and defended OP's point more than they've argued against it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There has been some discussion on here recently of people being offended when being asked how they lost weight. And I have noticed through personal experience that a lot of people who are on injectables either don't want people to know they are or get offended when they're asked if they are. For whatever personal reason they have, I think we can all agree we are seeing more and more of it. Whether they just don't want people to know, are ashamed, or want people to think they dieted and exercised it off. Doesn't matter. What does matter is the following:

As a registered dietician and personal trainer, I think it's very important for injectable users to be honest with themselves in regards to this statement:

Weight loss does not automatically equal increased health.

The shot does not give you a better cardio. The shot does not increase oxygen levels in the blood. The shot does not stop further buildup of plaque in your arteries. The shot does not make your heart stronger. The shot does not increase bone density. The shot does not increase lean muscle mass. The shot does not enhance your immune system.

I could go on and on. The moral of the story is, just because you have lost weight from the shot, does not automatically mean you are now healthier. Do you weigh less, yes. Are you eating less and has the food noise stopped, sure. But without exercise and a proper diet (the old fashioned way), you are still just as out of shape as you always were.

I'm not offended. It's a life changing drug and I'm thrilled that so many people can benefit from it.

I am a healthy, life long athlete, endurance runner, home chef, etc, who is also pre-diabetic at my lowest weight, struggled
With gestational diabetes, and has been navigating hormonal weight gain since I was 12.

If there had been a way for me to lose those last 12 pounds naturally, I would
Have found it by now. Trust me.

I'm unequivocally healthier now with the help of GLPs
- eat healthier (more focused on quality than quantity)
- exercise more easily
- happier in my body and mind

Another one of the many examples of someone defending OP's point, mentioning eating healthier and exercising.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like someone realized that they're out of a job now...

Exactly.

Which actually just means you're lazy OP! Because muscle mass loss can be an issue. So pivot your whole idea of "come work with me to lose weight" over to "come work with me to GET STRONG" and you'll have plenty of trim GLP-1 users knocking on your door. But if you whole branding has been based around fat shaming, you were already part of the problem, and not the solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like someone realized that they're out of a job now...

Exactly.

Which actually just means you're lazy OP! Because muscle mass loss can be an issue. So pivot your whole idea of "come work with me to lose weight" over to "come work with me to GET STRONG" and you'll have plenty of trim GLP-1 users knocking on your door. But if you whole branding has been based around fat shaming, you were already part of the problem, and not the solution.

"Unfortunately for us, I doubt this is the case. As far as personal training goes, the fitness industry is BOOMING. Just looking at the running industry specifically, marathons are more popular than ever. The rise of GLP-1s have been getting new inexperienced people in the gym who are eager to have trainers. Hyrox is everywhere now, gyms are packed, etc.

As far as the dietitian part, speaking for myself, I am on a GLP-1 and am in regular contact with the dietitian my prescribing doctor recommended for me. A quick google search also shows a rise in dietitians and nutritionists. As much as we’re all rooting against OP here, one of the side effects of GLP-1s is promoting both industries they’re in. Which is a good thing for humanity!"

This poster said it perfectly. The rise of GLP-1's would make OP's job(s) more solidified, not less.